Obj. THAT Trade is in its Nature free, finds its own Channel, and best directs its own Course.
Ans. All trading Nations have, and do at this Day put a restraint upon Trade according as their Circumstances require: The
French have many Years since, by
extraordinary Impositions, prohibited all our
Woollen Manufactures, and by that means have set them up in their own Country, to their great Advantage. The
Dutch, who are little more than Carriers of Goods from one Country to another, yet do often prohibit, and for Instance, have by great Impositions prohibited our Dyed Woollen Manufactures, by which means they have gained that profitable Imployment. The
Venetians have prohibited our Cloth: The
Sweeds and
Danes the like. The
French have by severe Edicts prohibited all
Indian Silks, Bengalls, and
Painted Calicoes; and a Multitude of Instances might be given of this Nature. Our own
Statute-Books are full of them; the
Act of Navigation, and the
Act for Preventing the Exportation of Wooll have been, and are of infinite Benefit to this Kingdom.
Obj. That the East-India
Trade is greatly beneficial to
England.
Ans. If what the Writers for the
East-India Company have asserted be true, That Three Parts of Four of the whole imported have been again exported to Foreign Parts, or if what the late
Author of the Essay on the
East-India Trade asserts be true, That one half has been exported and has brought in 600000
l. more than the prime Cost in
India, then this Trade, in that Respect, may well be accounted a profitable Trade to this Nation: But this, though often asserted, has not been made appear in such manner as a Business of so great a concern to the
East-India Company ought, or might have been; and we have great Reason to believe that no such Quantities are, or ever were exported; But supposing that great Quantities were exported, this Bill does not extend to hinder that Trade.
Obj. That it must be granted that the
East-India-Trade in General is prejudicial to
Europe, and if all by common Consent would agree to deal no more with them, it would save the Expence of a great Treasure; but since that cannot be done, it would be
Egregious Folly in us to quit it.
Ans. The Reason why the
East-India Trade is prejudicial, is, because we draw from thence nothing of solid use,
Materials to support Luxury, Perishable Commodities, and send thither
Gold and Silver, which is there buried and never returns, and the Burden of this bears hard only on the Countries which consume them, as the Author of the Essay has very well observed, and from thence inferr'd, That the
French did wisely to prohibit. Now if this be true, as undoubtedly it is, there cannot be greater or more
cogent Arguments for the passing this Bill, which is not to destroy the whole Trade, but only part of that which their own Advocate acknowledge is very hard upon us, who are the Consumers.
Obj. The Bill now proposed will be absolutely destructive to the
East-India Trade, and should we quit the Hold we have in
India, the
Dutch will undoubtedly ingrose the whole, which will be of dangerous Consequence.
Ans. That what by this Bill is to be restrained cannot be computed to above one half of the home Consumption, and the whole is accounted, by the Author of the Essay, but one half of the Trade; so that at most it will be lessen'd but one Fourth Part, which by the Addition that may be made by bringing home
Raw-Silks, Cotton Yarn, &c. may in a great measure be made good; And why Three Parts and more should not be carry'd on without the remainder, is very hard for us to imagine. The
French have prohibited all
Wrought Silks, Bengalls and Printed Callicoes; and yet they carry on their
East-India Trade: and in case the
East-India Company, either through Poverty or any other Reasons, should not be able or willing to carry it on, there are Merchants enough in
England to take it up: But if we cannot trade there without the Consent of the
Dutch, who are now very powerful and can bring together 40 strong Frigats (as the
Author of the Essay tells us) which is much more than we are able or can pretend to do, they may as easily beat us out of the whole as of what will be still left. Therefore the best way as we humbly conceive to secure us from those Fears, is, to keep our
Treasure to imploy our own people, and increase our strength at home.
Obj. The Company send great quantities of our
Manufactures, and have in return
Wrought Silks.
Ans. The Company are obliged to send 100000
l. worth of our
Manufactures, but have not done it; for by Accounts taken out of the Custom house Books, there cannot be found 100000
l. worth in Two years last past, and not 20000
l. worth last year, and how much of this has been really Exported and sent to
India we know not, but have great reason to believe that great Quantities were either not shipt off, or not sent thither, but to
Spain or other Parts where they take in
Bullion; for this is most certain that the
Indians wear none, or so little of our Manufactures as is not worth mentioning: 'Tis true that since the Company have been obliged they have sent some Cloth; which they have sold in the Gulph of
Persia, and brought in returns
Raw Silk, which have been wrought up by
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Indians in the
Bay of
Bengall into silks commonly called
Persian Taffeties, and the like, and from thence brought to
England, whereas formerly the
Turkey Merchants used to supply the
Persians with cloth, and brought in Return
Raw Silk, and might do so again if the Trade were turned into its old Channel.
Obj. That no Country Manufactures are made so dear as the
English, and if we would have a Trade we must make our Manufactures cheaper.
Ans. To this we think we cannot give a better Answer than what Sir
Jos. Child gave in the like Case, which we find in the Preface of his Book called
A Discourse on Trade, his Words are these,
I affirm and can prove be's mistaken in Fact; for the Dutch,
with whom we principally contend in Trade, give generally more Wages for all their Manufactures, by at least Two Pence in the Shilling, than the English. And adds farther,
That wheresoever Wages are high universally throughout the whole World, it is an infallible Evidence of the Riches of that Country: and wherever Wages for Labour runs low, its a Proof of the Poverty of that Place. That it is multitude of People and good Laws, such as cause an increase of People, that principally enrich any Country: And if we retrench (by Law) the Labour of our People, we drive them from us to other Countries that give better Rates, and so the Dutch
have dreined us of our Seamen
and Woollen Manufactures:
And we the the French
of their Artificers
and Silk Manufacturers. And in Pag. 175. discoursing of the ways of enlarging our Trade, among many others, he gives this Advice,
That it's our Interest by Example, and otherwise not distastful, above all kinds of Commodities to prevent as much as may be the Importation of Foreign Manufactures,
and to encourage those Trades most that vend most of our Manufactures, and supply us with Materials to be further Manufactured.
Obj. That we want Hands, not Manufactures in
England, and Laws to compel the Poor to work and therefore want more an Act to set up publick Work-houses to force them that are not willing.
Answ. as the Case now stands, we have Hands more than sufficient to carry on the Manufactures which the
East-India Trade leaves us; but if this Bill pass we have great Reason to believe that in a very shortime, Imployment will be found for a great number of those now out of work, and for some of the 1200000 which the Author of the Essay says, he thinks there are now receiving Alms in this Kingdom. It were to be wished that there were Publick Workhouses for the Imployment of the unwilling Poor; but before they can be imploy'd in such Places it will be necessary to know how the Manufactures can be disposed: And with Submission, we humbly conceive there can be no better way found for their vent than by restraining the Expence of these Foreign Commodities, and that this will be greatly for the Interest of this Kingdom. To confirm us in this Opinion, we have the Judgment of Sir
Jos. Child, that great Champion for the
India Cause, who in the Preface of his Book of Trade says,
That the Expence of Foreign Commodities, especially Foreign Manufactures, is the worst Expence a Nation can be inclinable to, and therefore ought to be prevented as much as possible.
Obj. That it's the Interest of this Nation to have our own Wooll cheap, and cheaply manufactured, whereby we may be enabled to under-sell all Nations, and discourage all People to set it up.
Ans. To do this we must bring down the Price of Wool and Workmanship considerably, and then Provisions must fall in Proportion to answer the Wages, or else the Poor cannot purchase them; and if so,
Rents must abate, when this is done, other Nations who contend with us in our Manufactures must do likewise, and after all this, the
Indian that works for a Peny a Day, will be able to undersell us all; so that after all our reducing, we are not like to undersell all Nations, unless we should send our Wooll to
India to be manufactur'd.
Obj. That the home Consumption is no Advantage to the Nation.
Ans. If a
Penny saved be the surest
Penny got, then the saving our Pence by the Home Consumption of our own, instead of expending them for
Foreign Manufactures, must certainly be greatly for the Advantage of this Kingdom.
Obj. It's the Interest of this Nation to wear
East India Goods', which are very Cheap, and to Export our own which are much dearer.
Answ. If we could find a Forreign Market for our own Manufactures, this Objection would be of force, but (with submission we say) that this is impossible; for it is very well known, that all
Forreign Markets have been plentifully supplyed with as much of our Wollen Manufactures as could be vended, and generally over-stocked; and yet notwithstanding our Exporters do not carry off above one third part, (as the Persons concern'd in the
Aulnage, who best know how much is made, have oft-times asserted) and in case a stop be not put to the
East India Trade, our Export must be less; for by reason of the great ware of
Muslings and
Callicoes, we have already lost the greatest part of our Trade for Wollen Cloaths,
&c. to
Germany, Silesia, &c. from whence we had formetly great quantities of
Linnens, but when we could no longer take their Linnens, they were forced to set up a Manufacture of Wollen, by which we have almost wholly lost that profitable Trade. We have now a Trade with
Spain, Italy, and
Turky, from whence we Import great quantities of
Wool, Raw Silk, and
Grogern-yarn, but if we must wear
East India Manufactures, we cannot use their Silk; and if so, it's reasonable to conclude, that they must shortly follow the example of the
Germans. As to our
Plantations and
Ireland, to which we send great quantities of our Manufactures, if the
East India Silks, &c. are the Mode here, they will be so there, the orders that are sent from thence, being to send over such Manufactures, as are most Fashionable
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England; so that instead of a greater Exportation, we shall almost wholly lose what we now have. But in case it were possible to vend more, we could make much greater quantities, as we did last year, when there was a considerable demand for them.
Obj. That if we do not use these
India Goods, they will be carried to other places, where we now send our Manufactures, and be there used instead of them.
Answ. If this be true, then the
East-India Trade will not receive so great Prejudice as is pretended; but this is fallacious, for the Exporters always send to furnish all foreign Markets with what they want; and we are very sensible, that they have and will be sufficiently supplied with these
India Manufactures, which will very much obstruct our Trade, and therefore we humbly conceive its highly Reasonable this Bill should pass, that seeing the Mischief they will do us in foreign Markets cannot be prevented, we may in some measure be helpt, by preventing our falling into the same Mischief at home.
Obj. That these
India Manufactures do not much hinder the Consumption of our own Manufactures, but chiefly those of
Italy, France, and
Holland.
Answ. They do directly hinder the Consumption of vast Quantities of our own Manufactures, as the
Norwich, London, Canterbury Antherines, and other sorts of Stuffs; as also the Manufactures made in
Bristol, Ketering, Sudbury, Stowmarket, Kendal, and divers other places in this Kingdom; and they do and will in a great Measure, destroy all our
Silk Manufactures, which of late are brought to such perfection, as
better Silks are not made in any part of the World, and are cheaper to us than any can come from the fore-mentioned Countries, and have almost wholly beat them out of use. So that of late Years there has been no considerable Quantities Imported, except
black Lutestrings, Alamodes, and
Velvets, for which Use the
India Silks will not serve; so that the
India Manufactures are directly opposite and destructive to our own.
Obj. That Silk is a Manufacture of foreign Extract, and if the Wearing of Silk could be Abolished, it would be Beneficial to the Kingdom.
Answ. That the Abolishing of all foreign wrought Silks, that are the Returns of our Money, would undoubtedly be Beneficial to the
Kingdom; and it is that we now only Contend for. But we do assert, and plainly demonstrate, That the wearing of Silks, which are Manufactured here of such Raw Silk as are the Returns of our Woollen, and other Manufactures Exported (as the
Italian and
Turkey Silks are) is much more Beneficial to this Kingdom, then if we wear them not, for by this means we imploy double the number of People we should do, if we were Clad in our own Manufactures.
Obj. That if we take not these Goods, the
Indians will let us have no
Salt-petre, Muslins, White Calicoes, Pepper, Drugs, Raw Silks, and other Goods we want.
Answ. This is such an Objection as scarce ever was made before by Mankind; 'tis just as if we should say, we will not let the
Venetians and other Nations we Trade with, have our
Lead, Tynn, &c. because they will not take our Cloth. The
French have Prohibited all their
Silks and
Painted Calicoes above ten Years past, yet have ever since Traded with the
Indians for these Commodities, and we believe never yet wanted
Salt-petre, &c. and why they should refuse us these Goods is hard to imagine.
Obj. If this Bill pass, it will be to the Advantage of the
Scotch and
Dutch, who will bring in these
India Goods among us at a much dearer Rate.
Answ. One would think in common Reason, there cannot be a more effectual Course taken to hinder that, than by Prohibiting the wearing of them: For if they may be freely worn, the
Scotch and
Dutch will have a great Advantage, because they pay little or no Duty to what our
East-India Merchants must pay; and the very hopes, that the Persons who were concerned in promoting the
Scotch Company, had of vending the Wrought Manufactures in
England, was, as we have good Reasons to believe, one great cause for the setting up that Trade. For this is certain, that some of the most
zealous Promoters of that Company, are the
greatest Sticklers against this Bill.
Obj. That the Passing this Bill will discourage Navigation.
Answ. This is a very strange Objection, For one Ship of 500 Tons Freighted with these Goods will bring in above 1,000,000,
l. worth, at but
20s. per pound, which is a moderate Value; many of these Silks being worth 3 and 4
l. per pound, so that if this single Freight were worn here, it will ruine above twenty times as much Shipping, which is employed in the Coasting Trade, to furnish the
English Manufacturers, and their dependance with
Coles, Corn, Butter, Cheese, and other Necessaries, as is easie to be more fully demonstrated.
Obj. If there be a multitude of Hands want Work, the Herring Fishery would employ them.
Answ. The Men, Women, and Children, that are employed in the
Woollen and
Silk Manufactures, are very unfit to catch Fish: But since it is objected, That if this Bill pass it will discourage
Navigation, here's a proper
Salvo for that
Sore, let the
Merchants employ their Stock, and the
Seamen their time, to catch these Herrings, and then we are very sure they would be much better imployed for the
Advantage of the Nation than they now are.
Obj. That if the
East India Manufactures did greatly prejudice our own, it is not adviseable they should be Prohibited in this time of War, because of the Companies
great Losses and Misfortunes, and their want of Money.
Answ. That the Company have met with great Losses must needs be granted, and that
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Ill Consequence to the Nation, and none knows but such Misfortunes may again attend them, and therefore the less Trade of this kind in so dangerous a time, the better for the Nation; If they want Money so do the English Manufacturers, and whether the Money we now have to Trade with shall be sent out to purchase Goods fully Manufactured for our own Consumption, which may fall into the Enemies Hands, or imployed to carry on our own Manufactures, we think, with humble Submission, is no hard question to be resolved; for nothing is more visible, than that the
East India Manufactures that have been lately Imported, takes away great quantities of our Money, which would otherwise be imployed in the purchasing of our own
Silks and Stuffs, and thereby give Imployment and Incouragement to many Thousand Families, who are now in a starving condition.
Obj. The Clause in the Bill which lays the Proof on the Retailers is very unreasonable.
Answ. Without this the whole Bill will be rendred ineffectual, and therefore the like Clauses has been incerted in all Acts of this Nature (as in our Prohibition of
French Silks, &c.)
Obj. That if this Bill pass, it will destroy the
Credit of the
Nation, and greatly Injure those who have lent Money upon the
Customs of the
East India Goods.
Answ. The
Customs that are given for the Security of Moneys lent by the persons complaining (which for the most part are
Linnen Drapers and
East India men) consists not only of
East India Goods, but also of
Wines, Vinegar, Brandy, Tobacco, all
Linnens, Wood, Iron, Oyl, Flax, Hemp, Paper, and abundance of other Commodities, too numerous to be here incerted; and the whole
East India Trade has hitherto raised but a very inconsiderable part of the said
Customs, yet the Security has been well answered. Now in case the
Customs should be increased by a greater quantity of
East India wrought Silks, which must be worn here, they will destroy our own Manufactures, and thereby Impoverish not onely our Manufacturers, and their dependants, but the
Nation in general, by which means they will be disabled from consuming the
Wines, Brandy, Tobacco, and other Merchandize, which will, (as we have great reason to believe) much more weaken the same Security, then this Bill can do; And not only so, but much lessen the Excise of
Beer and
Ale, and other the
Revenues and
Taxes which are given to support a
Just and
Necessary War, for the preservation of our
Lives, Liberties, and
Properties.