CERTAIN DOUBTS OF S. B. Resolved by Dr. Dan. Featly, against Popery, asserting the Protestants Church to be the onely Catholick and true Church.
Dr. Featley's Provise touching the Protestants Evidence.
‘I Perswade my self, that S. B. makes not these men in each age cited, the onely Professors of the true Church; but that then the Roman Church was a true one, though sick and diseased; and that these men [Page 2]and they were members of the same one Catholick Church; also, these stoutly oppose those odde inventions which the prevailing and more populous side pinned and annexed to the Unity of Faith.’
The Answer of Dr. D. F.
SIr, i. it grieves me much to see Men of War of the same Fleet, and sailing under the fame Admiral, and with the same commission to fight against Antichrist, fall foul one of the other; although they have Sea room enough, and might safely hold on in their own course, and one need not crosse the others hawser; for Ithacus velit & [Page 3]magno mercentur Achivi: This sole consideration withheld me from interposing my judgement in the late unhappy differences between the Champions of the Gospel, concerning the present state of the Roman Church: though I was required so to do by a worthy and reverend Prelate of this Kingdom. Yet because I know you love the truth in sincerity, and propose that among your other doubts, not any way to entangle me, but expedite your self, or satisfie some of your friends: I will return a punctual answer to the censure of your book:
And first, Whereas the reverend and learned Prelate would have your book read [Page 4]with this Proviso, ‘That you make not those men in every age cited by you, to be the onely Professors of the true Church:’ I conceive that caution to be needless: for neither do you assume to your self, neither did the Adversary put the task upon you, to cite all the Professors of the true Religion in all ages; (which had been opus Iliae majus) but to produce some eminent witnesses in each age; which you have done faithfully, and thereby procur'd you as many friends as you have alleaded testimonies. What the Orator spake of the State, is true in the Church, the Church hath a large field: many may run their races in it, & be crown'd [Page 5]with honor. Cic. Phil. 4. Magnus est in Ecclesia campus, multis patet apertus cursus ad laudem. You have run well, and out-stript many: it may be some hereafter may outstrip you: I know you will account that no loss, because it will be the truths gain. The Evidence which you take out of good Records, and well sorted according to every age, is enough to convince the Romish adversary: and fairer and clearer in any one Writter I have not seen. Yet I must confess, that our cause doth not depend onely upon those evidences: Neither doe I think any Protestant in the world, will undertake to produce all Records and Testimonies which may be found [Page 6]for the truth of our Religion in all Antiquity.
Secondly, ii. whereas he addeth, ‘That even then the Roman Church was a true Church, though sick and diseased; and that these men and they were members of the same true Catholick Church:’ I apprehend not sufficiently either the truth of his assertion, or the sincerity of his intention. For what have we to do with the Roman Church? I blush, that any Protestant should open his mouth for that Whore of Babylon, who hath dyed her garments scarlet red in the blood of the Noble forerunners of our faith: [...]udg. 6.3.If Baal be a god, let him plead for himself; if the Pope of Rome [Page 7]hath any right, either to the Catholick Church, or any true & visible member thereof; let him plead his title by himself, or his learned Council. We are retained by the adverse part against him; but his intention and others, who of late times have set on foot this title of the Church of Rome, I leave to the searcher of all hearts. As for our assertion, I will make bold to demur upon it; and the rather, because Protestants and Papists at this time stand upon the same tearms as Brutus and Autonie did after Julius Caesars death: Cie. Phit. 4. Si consul Antonius, Brutus hostis: si conservator reipub. Brutus, hostis Autonius: If the Roman Church be the true Church, [Page 8]the Reformed Churches, which are condemned, and excommunicated, and persecuted to death by her, must needs be false Churches: If Papists are Catholicks according to the common acception of the word, Protestants, which are the membrum contradivisum, the opposite number, must needs be Hereticks. And this the late Archbishop of Canterbury, and the rest of his Majesties Commissioners, made a clear case in the censure of the Lady Wotton, who was fined 500 l. for an inscription on the Monument of her Husband, dying a Recusant, Illustrissim [...], &c. D. Wottono Catholico, ego catholica hoc posui: To the most renowned, [Page 9] &c. the Lord Wotton, a Catholick; I, his Widow, a Catholick also, have erected this Monument.
Catholique, if we have regard to the Greek Etymologie, fignifieth nothing but General and Universal; and according to the subject to which it is applied, is either taken in the good sense, or in the ill. For as we read in the Physicians of Catholick Remedies, such as are good against all, or the greater part of diseases: so they tell us also of Catholique, or epidemical Diseases, such as run through whole Countreys: And in such a sense, I will not eagerly contest with the Romanists, but that Popery may be called Catholick; [Page 10]because it cannot be denied, but that the greatest part of Spain and Italy are infected with this disease.
As for the sense of the word, as it is attributed to the Church, it is double: 1. Either it signifieth Universal, or Oecumenical: and so it is taken in the Creed, and is opposed to the Synagogue of the Jews which was confined to a certain time, persons, and places: whereas the Catholick Christian Church, is absolutely illimitted, admitting into it believers of all sorts, in all places, at all times. 2. Or it signifieth Orthodoxal, in all points needful to salvation: and fo it is taken for the most part in the Writings of ancient Fathers: by [Page 11]name by Saint Cyril, c. 8. catechismystag. who adviseth, When thou comest into any City to demand, Where is the Catholick Church? for that is the proper name of the Holy Church, which is the Mother of us all: and she is so termed, because she catholickly and perfectly teacheth all Doctrines which men are bound to know, &c. and Paciamus, Ep. ad Spin Pron.Christian is my name, and Catholick my sirname: by the one I am known from Infidels, by the other from Hereticks and Schismaticks. And by S. Austine, Although every heresie would seem to be, L. Con Ep. fund. c 4. [...]exet postremo & ipsum Catholicae nemen, quod non sine causa inter tam multas baereses ista fola Ecclesia hoo nomen obtinuitand affecteth to be called the Catholick Church: yet when Hereticks are asked [Page 12]of Pagans, Where is the place in which Catholickes meet? none of them dares point to his own house or church. And again, The very Title of the Catholick Church holdeth me, which name among so many heresies she alone retaineth. And by Theodosius the Emperor, Sozomen [...] 7 c. 4. Theodosius decrevit, ut illorum ceclesia duntaxat Catholica diceretur, quae Trinitatem aequali honore coleret. who made a decree that the Church of them should alone be called Catholick, which equally worshipped and glorified the three persons in the blessed Trinity. In neither of these senses can the Church of Rome, without either absurdity or impiety, be termed Catholick.
Not in the first sense: i. for the Roman Church is no more the Universal Church, then Rome, or the Roman Jurisdidiction, [Page 13]is the whole world. This Grand imposture is so discovered by the Bishop of Durham, that I suppose, as the Roman South-sayers could not look one upon the other without smiling, so neither can any Papist tearm another Catholick in this sense, without laughing in his sleeve. Pacianus saith pertinently, That the name Catholick belongeth to the stock of the Tree, which remaineth the same; & est quid totum, and is a kinde of whole and entire thing. The Roman Church at the best is but a great Branch, and such a one as we can prove is much withered; and St. Paul teacheth, Rom 11.21, 22. may be cut off: If God spared not the natural branches, take heed [Page 10]lest he spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but towards thee goodness, if thou continue in his goodness; otherwise thou shalt bee cut off.
Much less in the second sense can the church of Rome be tearmed Catholick: ii. for whereas other hereticks were so termed, because they held but some one error or other against the Catholick Faith: the Church of Rome maintaineth many, and those most grievous and pernicious: as in the Articles, Homilies, and Apology of the Church of England, and in the Harmony of all Prorestants Confessions, is ocularly demonstrated. [Page 11]If any Protestant therefore tearm the Roman Church Catholick, Whitaker d [...] Eccles con [...] 2 q 5 Nos illos non atiter vocamus Catholicos, quam illi [...]os reform [...]tos & Eva [...]geli [...]▪ hoc est [...]ronice [...]ntum & [...]on ex animo. it is but by an Ironie, or bitter Sarcasm: like to that of the Lacedemonians, whereby they styled Alexander a God; Quia Alexander vult esse Deus, sit Deus: Because Alexander will be a God, let him be a God. Or that of St. Bernard, whereby he styleth certain hereticks Apostolicks,In Cant. [...]er 66. [...] ctant se esse Apostolo rum successores & Apostolte [...]s nominant: nullum [...]amen Apoctolatus sui signum valentes ostendere.because they arrogantly challenged to themselves that title: These, forsooth, call themselves Apostolicks, and yet they are not able to shew any sign or token of their Apostleship: so may we say, and most truly, Papists call themselves Catholicks; yet cannot shew any note or true mark [Page 16]of a Catholick in them.
Thus much for the first Attribute, Catholick: the next to which he Entituleth the Roman Church, viz. True, is either ambiguous and frivolous, or false and scandalous.
For first, i. if he speak of Metaphysical Truth (which is of as large extent as entity, or being) his Assertion, That the Roman Church is a True Church (that is no phantasm or chymaera) is, as the French use to speak, an extream verity; a thing so evident and notorious, that no wise man would contend for it; because no fool ever called it in question. Who knoweth not what we finde in Tertullian, that Wasps have their hives, as well as Bees? and that hereticks [Page 17]have had their Congregations no less visible (nay sometimes more visible) then Catholtcks? Nay, not onely Hereticks, but Jews, Mahumetans, and Heathen Idolaters, have had for many ages multitudes of professours of their Impieties and Superstitions: and not onely visible, but celebrious and solemn Assemblies, in most parts of the Christian world. Truth of existence they have all, but existence of truth (especially all saving truth) they have not. ii. If by truth he understand Logical, or rather Theological truth, opposed to Errors and Heresies in matters of Faith. i. Then he must necessarily revoke his subscription to the Articles of the [Page 18]Church of England, which charge the Church of Rome by name, Art. 19 with blasphemous figments, pernicious impostures, and dangerous errours even in matter of faith.
He must condemn the apology of the church of England, ii. wherein it is alledged for our separation from Rome, Apoli y Church of England c 16 divis 1. part 6.that regard of our own salvation constrained us so to do: and that we are fallen from the Bishop of Rome, Part 6. divis. 2. c 20. because the case stood so, that unless we left him, we could not come to Christ: Part 5. cap 15. divis 3.and that we have renounced that Church wherein there was nothing able to stay a wise man, or one that hath consideration of his own safety
Thirdly, iii. he must take to task all Davids Worthies [Page 19]that have lifted up their spears against the Romane Antichrist, Whitaker Succliff Tract. dc Eccles. Downam de Antichristo. Willet Spnops. who convince that Church, some of scores, some of hundreds, some of five hundred Errors and Heresies. All they who grace that Church with the title of a true Church, must needs intend her to be so either in the first sense, or in the latter.
If in the first sense, i. the church of Rome is nothing beholden to them: for they give her therein no prerogative above any heretical or schismatical church existent in the world: The truth of being is common to them all.
If in the latter sense, ii. the reformed Churches are less beholden to them for by licking the blot of Heresie out of the Roman [Page 20]Church, they cast a foul blur of Schism upon all the Reformed Churches. There can be no medium given: either the Church of Rome is heretical, and hath departed from the Faith of the ancient Church; or we are schismatical who have forsaken her communion. Either the faith of the Church of Rome is not justifiable; or our separation from her is not justifiable: For no man ought to separate from the true Church of Christ, but hold good quarter and correspondence with her. As we believe our Creed, so we ought to embrace in our practise the communion of Saints. The true Church of Christ is his mystical body; from which whosoever idivided, [Page 21]is divided from the Head, and consequently from all influence of his spirit: as the Author of the Sermons to the brethren in the desert, (supposed to be St. Austine) strongly inferreth, saying, Membrum amputatum non sequitur spiritus: cum in corpore erat, vivebat; precisum, amittit spiritum. The Life doth not runne in a member which is cut off: whilest it was a part of that body, it retained life; but being divided from it, it hath lost its spirits. With whom St. Cyprian agrees, Quisquis ab ecclesia segregatur, a promissis ecclesiae separatur: nec pertinet ad Christi praemia, qui relinquit ecclesiam Christi. Alienus est, prophanus est, host is [Page 22]est. Habere jam non potest Deum patrem, qui ecclesiam non habet matrem. Whosoever is divided from the Church, he is separated from the promises made to the Church: nor hath he any share in Christ's rewards, who leaves the Church of Christ. He is a stranger, he is profane, he is an enemy. He cannot call God his Father, who hath not the Church for his Mother. Were not Novatus, Reynold prelect. 1. p. 6. error chfirmatus in haeresem evasit. and after him Donatus, deservedly branded with an indelible mark of Schism, for separating themselves from the Catholick Church? and did not their Schism improved, become in the end Heresie? I tremble to rehearse thedreadful Sentence which St. Cyprian [Page 23]pronounceth against all of the separation: Tales etiamsi occisi in confessione nominis Christi fuerint, macula ista nec sanguine abluitur. Esse martyr non potest, qui in ecclesia non est. Occidi potest, coronari non potest. Such persons are no Martyrs, although they lose their lives for confessing the Name of Christ: this stain will not be scowred clean, no not with blood. Killed they may be, but crowned they shall never be. And do they then good service to the Protestant Churches, who pluck the thorn of Heresie out of the foot of the Roman Church, and put as sharp, and a sharper thorn of Schism into the foot of their own Mother?
Secondly, ii. the true Church is discerned by two notes especially, viz. the pure preaching of the word, and right administration of the Sacraments; as is expresly affirmed in the Doctrine of the Church of England, Art. 19. the Belgick Confession, Art. 20. the Augustan, Art. 7. the Saxon, Art. 11. Ecclesia visibilis est caetus fidelium, in quo verbum Dei purum praedicatur, & sacramenta (quo ad ea quae necessario exiguntur) juxta Christi institutum recte administrantur. i.e. The visible Church is the company of faithful Believers, among whom the pure word of God is preached, and the Sacraments (according to those things which are truly requisite) [Page 25]are rightly administred according to Christs institution. Belg His notis vera ecclesia a falsa discernitur, si in illa pura evangelis praedicatio, ligitima{que} sacramentorum ex Christi praescripto administratio vigeat. The true Church is disowned from the false by these marks; if therein the Gospel be purely preached, and the Sacraments rightly administred, according to the institution of Christ. Aug. Habet Ecclesia proprie dicta signa sua scilicet puram & sanum evangelii doctrinam & rectum usum sacramentorum. The Churrch, truly so called, hath two proper marks; viz. The pure and saving doctrine of the Gospel, and the right use of the Sacraments. [Page 26]Sax. praecipue ex voce doctrinae judicandum est quae & ubi sit vera ecclesia: quae voce ve rae doctrine, deinde & legitimo usu sacramentorum ab aliis discernitur. By the doctrine we may chiefly determine what, and where is the true church: wch is discerned from the false ones by the soundness of doctrine, and the lawful use of the Sacraments.
And it is most strongly confirmed by Whitaker Praelec. q. 5. Field of the Church, l. 2. c. 2. M [...]rton Apol. Cathol. l. 2. c. 38. Willet, Controversies in Gen. de Notis Eccles. q. 4. Rivet, sum. controvers. tract. 2. q 7. Junius, Animadvers. in Bel. l. 4 controvers. 4. c. 2. & deniceps Chemnis. examen, concil. Trid. p 49. & [Page 27]part. 3. Locor. Theol p. 292. Mornaeus, tract. de Eccles c. 2. p. 15. But these marks are not to be found in the pretended church of Rome, but two contrary foul scars; viz. Impurity of doctrine, & manifold corruption of the holy Sacraments: see Hom. 16. in Penticost. Gallic. confes. art. 28. Papisticos conventos damnamus quod pura Dei veritas ab illis exulet: in quibus etiam sacramenta fidei corrupta sunt, adulterata, falsificata, vel poenitus etiam abolita: We condemn the Popish Synagogues, because they have not the pure truth of God in them; and by reason that the Sacraments of faith are eithercorrupted, adulterated, & falsified by them, or utterly [Page 28]abolished and rejected: For in the Roman Church, as it is at this day, the pure word of God is not preached, but partly Apochryphal Scriptures, partly unwritten traditions, are mixed with it. As for that pure Word of God which they preach (namely, the canonical Scriptures, acknowledged by both of us) they preach it not purely, but manifestly detort and pervert it, either by false translations, or glosses and interpretations in all points in controversie between us: And as for the Sacraments, they administer more by five then Christ ever instituted for such, in the Gospel: And as for those that are instituted by him, they corruptly administer them; [Page 29]for they defile Baptism with cream and spittle, and divers superstitious rites: And they violate the Lords H. Supper, by taking away the cup from the Laity, and the substance of both elements, bread and wine, and quite overthrowing the nature thereof of a communion, making it a private mass; and of a Sacrament, a Sacrifice, properly so called.
Thirdly, iii. The church of Rome can in no true sense challenge to her self the title of a true Church: for questionless, that can be no true Church, which neither teacheth nor practiseth the truth, which is sometimes taken in holy Scripture, pro veritate substantiae, for substantial truth: so called, in opposition [Page 30]to the types, figures, and shadows of the Law: ometimes pro veritate doctrinae, for doctrinal truth, opposite to all errors and heresies in matters of faith: Sometimes pro veritate morali, for moral truth or honesty, opposite to fraud, dissimulation & lying. Speak we of any of these three, certain it is, the Roman church either hath it not, or not entirely.
Not the first, i. Veritatem substantia, the truth of substance: For the presence of the body necessarily excludeth the shadows: but the church of Rome at this day retaineth many legal shadows and figures, as the year of Jubile, consecration of Oyl, Altars, properly so called, and [Page 31]a material and sensible Sacrifice, the Aronical Mitre and Vestments, and other the like Beggarly Rudiments of the Law, wherewith she endeavou eth to p [...]tch the seamless coat of Christ.
Not the second: ii. for the Articles of the Church of England, to which we have all subscribed, and the Homilies confirmed in the Articles, charge the church of Rome with errour in matter of faith. So we read Article 19. the church of Rome hath erred, not only in their living, & and maner of ceremonies; but also in matter of faith. And in the Hom. for Whitsunday, second part, If it be possible the Spirit of Truth should be there where the true church [Page 32]is not, then is it at Rome. And again, The church of Rome, as it is at this present, is not built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, retaining the sound and pure doctrine of Jesus Christ. And Apologie of the Church of England, c. 16. Divis. [...] p 6. We are gone from that church, which Christ, who cannot err, told so long before should err. With whom accordeth the French church in her confession, set down in the harmony of Protestant churches, Article 28. Papisticos conventus damnamus, quoa pura Dei veritas ab illis exulet, &c. We condemn the Popish Synagogue, because she shutteth her eyes against the pure truth of God, &c.
And as little can be said for her moral truth: iii. For (to speak nothing of the power which she maintaineth, in the Pope to dispence with the breach of Oathes and Vows, be they never so solemn and sacred) Navarrus, comment. in cap. human. aures: Farsons Mitigation, c. 7. Eudemon Johannes, in his Apology for Garnet: Greg de Val. upon Thomas Southwell, and divers other Jesuits, have lately raked out of the ashes, or rather cindars of hell, the heresie of the Priscillianists, Qui dogmatizabant mendacium: Who taught lies for sound Doctrine. For they teach, That a man may speak, nay swear, that which is false, in words, so he salve it with [Page 34]some mental reservation: for example, a Romish Priest may take his corporal Oath that he is no seminary Priest, reserving in his minde, viz. of Apollo: That the Pope is not head of the church, reserving in his minde, a head of brass, like that set over Brasen-nose colledge. Neither is this a proper scar of the Jesuits only, but a foul mark of the whole Roman church also: For the secular Priests among them, as well as the Jesuits, are for this new art of lying, called equivocation: though they would not have it to be used hand overhead, but these their Reservations to be reserved for special use in some cases. There is no question to be made of it: such Watson [Page 35]in his Quodlibits, Quodl. 3. Art. 4. but that in some sense, and in some cases, doubtful answers & equivocations may be lawful: and the Treaties above cited of the Jesuits, were set forth with publique approbation: neither hath the Pope, nor the church of Rome by any publique brief, canon, or decree, branded this Jesuitical art as impious and repugnant to the Law of God, and light of nature.
Lastly, I cannot conceive how the malignant, and true militant church of Christ, can consist in one and the same Society, no more than Dagon and the Ark, light and darkness, Christ and Belial: for they are not only diversae, but adversae, or opposite. But [Page 36]the church of Rome is the malignant church, and hath so been for many hundreds of years, having put to death (as appeareth in the Rubricks of Ecclesiastical calenders) many thousands of true professors, under the name of Dulcinests, Waldenses, Albigenses, Wicklifests, Hussites, Hugonots, Calvinists, Lutherans, and Protestants. If all the water in Tybris cannot wash away the stains of blood wherewith the garment of the Whore of Babylon is spotted, they may wel blush for shame who stile this scarlet Strumpet, the true Spouse of Christ: for whom yet they plead, though (like a Lawyer that hath taken a light fee) very weakly and coldly.
First, they argue thus, obj. 1 ‘Ens & verum convertuntur: i.e. being and true, are convertible terms one with the other; and every thing which hath a being, is truly that being which it is, in truth of substance. A very Thief (say they) is a true man in the verity of his essence, as he is a reasonable creature; for this none can steal from him, nor he from himself, but death: But the church of Rome, be she never so corrupt in faith & manners, is confessed to be a visible Christian Church; sol. ergo a true Church.’
This is to overdo, and so far to over-reach themselves, that they lame their arm, and thereby lessen their own [Page 38]stroke. The more they seem to say, the less indeed they say for the Church of Rome. In flying to a Metaphysick-truth, they in effect acknowledge her to be destitute of Theological. If out of the latitude of their charity, they will extend a true Church so far as verum & ens, i.e. true, and being, will go; all the Conventicles of Arians, Nestorians, Socinians, Anabaptists, & Familists, will come in for a share in the true Church: For they are all companies of men and women, professing the Christian faith; they are all Churches, and (if this metaphysical string crack not) true Churches: Nay, by this reason, Pseudolus, the arrantest cheater in theworld, [Page 39]may be proved to be a true man: Messalina, the most notorious Strumpet that ever lay by Princes side, a true wife: Nero, that monster of men, a good man: The Devil himself, both a true, and a good Angel: For as Ens & verum, i.e. being, and true, so Ens & bonum, i. e. being, and good, are convertible terms; and they may as soon prove by this argument, the Church of Rome to be a good Church, as to be a true; which palpable absurdities, & gross inconveniences, they can no otherwise avoid, then by casting away the former argument; which like an Egyptian reed, if it be leaned upon, breaketh, and runneth into their own sides. The truth is, [Page 40]This Argument (how much soever it is made of by many) is no better then a meer falacy, or Syllogism, consisting of four terms. For truth, as it is applied to Ens, or being, in genere, or generally, in the major; or as it is applied to Ecclesia, or Church, which is a determinate species of Ens, or being, is not one and the self same tearm. Truth, as it is applied in the major, to the genus, signifieth no more then veritatem entis, or existentive, truth of being or existence; but in the conclusion, as it is applied to the Church, it signifieth veritatem entis tales, the truth of such a being: to which more is required then to Ens in genere, i [...]e. being, in general. And as it [Page 41]will not follow, the Devil is a true creature; Ergo, a true Angel; or Messalina is a true woman, ergo, a true wife; so neither will it follow, the Church of Rome is verus caetus, or verum ens, i. e. a true company, or true being, ergo, Vera ecclesia, i. e. a true Church. The argument wil no way follow from truth in sensu metaphisico, i [...] e. in a metaphysical sense; to a truth in sensu thealogico, i. e. in a theological sense: no more then it will follow from truth in sensu physico, i.e. in physical sense, to truth in sensu morale, or, in a moral sense. As if a man should conclude, the great Thief Harpulus is a true man, in sensu physico, or in a physical sense: for he hath [Page 42]the essence of a man, therefore he is a true man in sensu morale, that is, an honest man. This first argument of theirs therefore, is like a false string in an instrument, which can never be tuned to make any good musick.
The 2d string is not much better: obj. 2 which they thus strain,
‘Where there is true baptism, there is a true church: But in the Church of Rome there is true baptism, confessed on all hands, for those which are baptized in that Church, we rebaptize not; ergo, the Church of Rome is a true Church.’
In this Argument, they scower up the old harness of the Donatists. August. l 1. de Bap. cont. Dona. c. 10. wherewith [Page 43]they thus fought against the Catholick Church ‘How could we (say they) generate & bring forth children to the Church (which you confess we do by our baptism) if we were not a mother, and a true Church, &c.’
Austine answereth that, sol. They who separated themselves from others, breaking the bond of unity and charity, if they retained nothing of all those things in the former society, in omnibus separatisunt, then they were utterly, and in each part, separated from the Church: But if they retained some things which were the same, non se in iis separaverunt, then in those things they did not sever themselves [Page 44]from the Church; & ex ea parte intexturae compage detinen [...]ur, in that part wherein they retained the same, they were fastned, and held to the Church in that joynt, though in others severed: and therefore he whom they gathered to themselves, ex ea parte nectitur Ecclesiae, in qua nec illi separati sunt, is joyned to the Church on that part wherein themselves are not disjoyned. And after this, applying it to the former question, he saith, That hereticks generate children to the Church, by that wherein they are joyned to the Church; not by that wherein they are severed from it They are severed from the band of charity and peace, but they are joyned in one baptism.
Yet, to hew, and further to batter in pieces this harness of the Donatists, I will answer particularly to each proposition: And first to the major;
It is most certain, i. that true baptism cannor be severed from the true Church; yet is not baptism so proper to the true Church, but that it may be found in a false and heretical Church: as S. Austine accutely observes, that the Rivers of Paradise ran out of Paradise. Wheresoever the true Church is, there is true baptism, but not vice versa. Wheresoever is true baptism, there is the true Church: for much more is required to the true Church, then true baptism onely: There must be in [Page 46]it the true preaching of the Word, at least, in all fundamental points; and the right administration of both the Sacraments. Saint Austine makes no bones, totidem verbis, to deny the major, de bapcont. Donat. l. 6 c. 23. Ecclesiam sicut habent eacholici non habent heretici, & tamen baptismum habent: Ita{que} sicut potestbaptisma esse, & unde se auret spiritus sanctus. ita potest baptisma esse ubi non est ecclesia. Heret cks have not the Church, as Catholicks have, and yet they have baptism. Therefore, as there may be a baptism from which the Holy Ghost may withdraw himself, so there may be a baptism where the Church is not. Et cap. 16. Non omnes [Page 47]qui tenent baptismum, tenent ecclesiam: sicut non omnes qui tenent ecclesiam, tenent & vitam eternam. All that hold with baptism, do not hold with the Church; as all do not hold eternal life, who hold baptism. Et c. 7 Baptismum legitimum habent, sed non legitime habent. They hold baptism lawful, but they use it not lawfully.
Secondly, ii. to the minor I answer, That though in the Church of Rome there is true baptism, quo ad legitimam formam verborum, according to the true prescribed form of words by Christ: and therefore is not to be reiterated, because it hath all in it that is essentially required to baptism: yet is it not true [Page 48]baptism, quo ad purum ritum, according to the pure rite: much less quo ad salutarem effectum, according to the saving effect.
It is not true baptism, according to the pure rite and manner of Administration thereof (for they mingle water with cream, salt and spittle: and thereby, as much as in them lieth, defile this most holy Laver; and according to their own Tenets, they set this seal to a blank. For whereas baptism is the seal of the righteousness of faith, and the Covenant of grace, they denying this righteousness of faith, consequently set this seal to a blank.
ii. Neither is their baptism [Page 49]true, quo ad salutarem effectum, i. e. according to the saving effect. For so St. Austine expresly teacheth concerning the Baptism of all Hereticks, l. de Vinco. Bapt. cont. Petil. c. 6. Nihil prodest hereticis ad salutem, quod extra ecclesiam verum baptismum pignorantium & tradunt & tenent. It is no way advantagious to the salvation of Hereticks, that though they are out of the Church, yet they hold Baptism, and make use thereof. Et l. 4. cont. Donat. c. 1. Ecclesia Paradiso comparata indicat nobis, posse quidem ejus baptismum homines etiam fores accipere; sed salutem beatitudines extra eam neminem vel percipere, vel tenere. Ita [Page 50]fit ut cum Paradisi aqua sit extra Paradisum; beatitudo tamen non sit nisi intra Paradisum: Sic ergo Baptismus ecclesia potest esse extra ecclesiam munus autem beatae vitae, non nisi intra ecclesiam reperitur. The Church being compared to Paradise, teacheth us, that even men that are out of the Church may retain the Baptism of the Church; but none out of the Church can partake of the blessed Salvation. Hence it cometh to pass, that although the streams of water do run out of Paradise, yet Salvation is to be had onely in Paradise. So also the Baptism of the Church may be administred out of the Church, but the blessing [Page 51]of eternal Life is no where to be found but within the church.
They also lay great stress upon this Argument, obj. 3 which is as weak as the former, viz.
‘The church of Rome is no worse then the church of Israel, under the revolted kingdom of Jeroboam, and his Successors, who erected Calves in Dan and Bethel, which they went a whoring after; Yet notwithstanding this defection from the true Worship of God, because they continued a profession of God, and of the Law, and retained the holy Seals of his Covenant, they were even then a part of the true visible church of God, and [Page 52]tearmed Gods people, and his children. Therefore the church of Rome, though very corrupt in faith and manners, must be accounted a true church of God.’
Hereunto I answer, sol. 1 That the case of the Roman church is worse then that of the ten Tribes: For they committed Idolatry but in one kinde, the church of Rome in many: the corruption and idolatry in them was practised de facto, but not solemnly ratified by any Decree or Canon of their whole Church, as the superstition and idolatry of the Romish church are.
Secondly, ii. Those who worshipped Jeroboams Calves, without repentance could not be saved; for no Idolater shall [Page 53]enter into the Kingdom of God, saith the Apostle. 1 Cor 6.9, 10. The Prophets which were sent to the ten Tribes, style that Common-wealth a Harlot, and her children bastard children: and as a Harlot before she be divorced, is a wife, but not a true and loyal wife; so was the church of Israel in those days: and so now we grant the church of Rome to be, a church, but not a true church.
Thirdly, iii. If any of the ancient or later Divines say, there was the true church of God among the ten Tribes, because they had true Prophets among them, and the true Word of God, and the Sacraments appointed by him; their words are to be [Page 54]understood, not of the outward face of that church, and prevalent part in it which adhered to Jeroboam and the Calves, as they were worshipped, the Calves he set up; but of those many thousands which God reserved to himself within those Dominions, who never bowed the knee to Baal, neither lift up their hands to the golden calves: these we grant were members of the true church, as are all such who even in Rome it self and other parts, subject to the Pope, live among Papists, and communicate with them in common Acts and Duties of Christianity, but partake not with them in their heretical Tenents, or idolatrous and superstitious Rites. We [Page 55]owe a clearer manifestation of the truth in this point, to the candor of B. Whitgift, who in the Defence of his Answer to the Admonition, p. 625. thus paralelleth the Papists and Israelites: ‘The Papist (saith he) are like the Israelites under Jeroboam; for as those Israelites, so Papists pretend the Law of God, use the Sacraments, profess Christianity, and are not in all points straying from Christian Faith; but yet have corrupted the same with idolatrous worshipping, and divers other kinde of superstitions and errors.’ Therefore Beza said very well. Ecclesia est velut immersa in papatu. The church is as it were covered, or [Page 56]drowned in Papisme.
Fourthly, obj. 4 They seem also much to triumph in this Argument, viz.
‘Antichrist sitteth in the Temple of God. 2 Thes. 2.4. shewing himself that he is God. By the Temple of God is here meant the true church: But the Pope is Antichrist: Ergo the church of Rome in which he sits, as in the Temple of God, is a true church.’
With this weapon they do but flourish, i. See Answer to the Gagg. they fight not in good earnest; for they who thus argue, believe not the Pope to be Antichrist. They finde seven hills at Constantinople, and Antichrist at the Seraglia: Yet, if as the mother of Gratian and Peter Lumbard, chose rather to be [Page 57]accounted a strumpet; then not to be held the true mother of those great Clerks; so in sober sadness they will rather yield Rome to be Babylon, and the Pope to be Antichrist, then not have the church of Rome to be acknowledged a true church.
I further answer, ii. That although it seems to me most probable, that by the Temple of God the Apostle meaneth not the Temple at Jerusalem, which was soon after he wrote this Epistle destroyed, and is likely never to be built again, but the church of God, as Austine, and Jerome, and St. Chrysostom, and Theodoret, and Primasius, and Calvin himself, and Beza resolve on this Text: yet this [Page 58]Interpretation will little, or nothing at all help the cause. I subscribe fully to St. Austine l. 20. De Civitat. Dei, c. 19. and St. Jerome in his q. 11. ad Algasiam, That Antichrist shall fit in the church of God: and to Severianus alledged by Orcumenius, that the Apostle speaks not of the temple of Jerusalem, but the church of God: or rather to St. Chrysostom, That Antichrist shall command himself to be worshipped in the stead of God, not onely at Jerusalem, but also in the churches: And to Theodoret, He calleth the temple of God the church in which Antichrist shall arrogate unto himself the chief Seat, endeavouring to shew himself as God: And to Theophylact, [Page 59]He sitteth not in the temple, which is Jerusalem, especially; but simply in the churches, and in every temple of God: And to Calvin, comment. in Ep. ad Thessal. That the Apostle calleth the Den of so many superstitions, (viz. the Roman church) the temple of God, because there is a residium, a remainder still of the Proprieties of the church among them, in regard whereof it is the temple of God, though profaned: And to Beza, Predicit Apostolus Antichristum, id est quisquis sedem illam Apostolicam occupavit, non regnaturum extra ecclesiam, sed in ecclesiae sinu: i. e. That by the Temple is understood the church of God, in which the man of [Page 60]sin sitteth, usurping the Dominion thereof. Appellatione Templi Dei significatur ipsa ecclesia, in qua homo ille perditus etiam nunc sedet, imperiam fibi usurpans. And I hold, from this very Text it may be demonstrated, that the great Antichrist whom the Apostle here sets out in his colours, shall not be a Jew, Turk, Pagan, or Infidel, but a professed Christian, residing in the bosome of the church. And yet I deny the Rhemists consequence hereupon, That therefore the church of Rome must be acknowledged the true church, and the Pope a member thereof. For though the wild Bore break into the Lords vineyard, and be in the midst [Page 61]of it, rooting up the choicest plants; yet he is no part of the vineyard: and though the wolf get into the flock, worrying Christs Lambs, and devouring his fattest sheep, yet he is not any part of the flock. To rebate therefore the edge, and turn the point of the former Argument upon the adversary, I say:
First, i. That the Apostle calleth the Seat of Antichrist the temple or church of God, because it was so: as our Saviour calleth the temple of Jerusalem the holy place, Math. 24.15. because it had been so, although at that time wherein that abominable desolation should stand there, (which he prophesied of) it was a most detestable place; [Page 62]namely, when the Romans came to destroy it: A [...] we often call the dead Corpses of a man, by his name whose sometimes it was before it fell to be a carcase. So is the Popes See called the Temple of God, in regard of what it was before he set his seat there. For after he fixed his throne there, it became Cathedra pestilentia, Babylon, and spiritual Sodom, and an habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird, Apoc. 18.2.
Secondly, ii. That the place where Antichrist sitteth as God, boasting himself that he is God, may be taken for the true Church of God, and yet the present Roman church [Page 63]never the nearer. For it is certain, that the Pope hath his seat in the very heart of the Catholicke Christian Church; and that he challengeth a kinde of Divine Sovereignty over the whole church; and most of all exerciseth his tyranny upon the sincere Professors of the Gospel, who are the found members of the true Church.
Thirdly, As a Temple, iii. though it be profaned and polluted, and in part ruined, is yet a Temple in respect of the Dedication to Gods honor, and divers parts of Gods Worship truly performed in it: so even the Roman church it self, as it consisteth of the Pope and his adherents, who bear all the sway in it, may [Page 64]truely bee said to bee a church of Christ, in regard of the profession of Christianity in it, though not a true and Orthodox church: As neither can we tearm a Temple after it is de [...]led, or in decay, a pure and a perfect Temple before it be repurged and repaired. And upon these tearmes all the learned Protestants, who have wrote upon this point, will come in, and easily be reconciled. Those who deny her to be a Church, exclude her not simply from being at all of the church; but from being in Orthodoxei, and entire profession of the Catholick Faith, a true church. Those who style her a true church, mean no more then a [Page 65]truly visible company, professing the Christian Faith. When (saith Calvin, Institut. l. 4. c. 2.) we refuse absolutely to grant the title of the Church unto Papists, we do not therefore deny that there are churches among them, but we strive for the true and lawful constitution of the church, whose communion in prayer and doctrine is to be kept. And a little after, Seeing the See of Antichrist, or of the Pope, is placed in the temple of God, it is thereby signified, that his reign shall be such as doth neither abolish, nor take from the name of Christians, or the church. Wherefore it is manifest that we do not deny but that churches remain under the Popes [Page 66]tyranny, though prophaned with sacrilegious Impiety.
Peter Martyr in 1 Kings c. 12. propoundeth this question to himself, Whether since the Papacy erected, there be a church among Papists? And he answereth, That the church was then shaken, and dayly is more and more ruinated; so that there remains no more then rudera & frustra parietum, certain broken pieces, and rubbish of the wall. Wherefore we acknowledge their Baptism, we reverence and read the same sacred books as they do; and thus we understand Antichrist to sit in the temple of God, because it was once so, and as yet retaineth quaedam ecclesiae vestigia, certain points of the church.
Reynolds and Hooker, very eminent men both in their kinde, dealing against adversaries most differently affected, the one sort arrogating too much, the other yielding too little to the Church of Rome, against them both concur in this truth, That though it be neither the Catholick church, nor a sound member thereof, yet it is a member. Reynold Thes 5. Romana ecclesia nec est catholica, nec sanum membrum catholicae ecclesiae; yet that it is a part of the visible church, though maimed; and a member, though unsound. Hooker Ecclesiast. Pol. l. 5. c. 68. l. 3. c. 1. For apparent it is (saith Hooker) that all men are of necessity either christians, [Page 68]or not christians. If by external profession they be christians (as all Papists are) they are of the visible church of Christ.
‘A Church (saith Philip Morney) may be so far infected with heresies, that from the crown of the head to the sole of the foot, there may be nothing sound and whole, and yet so long as they are heretical, they do not cease to be the churches of Christ, no more then a man ceaseth to be a man by reason of some great sickness. Nay, even hereby it may be proved that they are still churches, because they are heretical in the doctrine of Christ; no otherwise then we know by the Diseases [Page 69]wherewith one is effected or pained, that he is a live man, and not a dead corpse. But if any fall from heresie to infidelity, and a total denial of the Faith, then indeed they cease to be churches.’ And afterwards applying this, which generally concerns all impure and corrupt churches, to the church of Rome, he truly calleth it Omnium impurissimam, & per aliis omnibus quae ad huc fuerunt hereticam: Of all most impure, placed in a more eminent degree of error then all the rest; and heretical above all that ever yet were: yea such as is universally distempered, and hath so heaped heresies upon heresies, that it may seem rather [Page 70]to be a Disease it self, then fallen into diseases. Yet of this Romane he saith, Quamdiu vel tenue illud filum reliquum manet ecclesiae nomen, non denegamus, &c. We deny not unto it the name of a church, so long as it holds by this slender threed; as we deny not him the name of a man, who lives, though in a languishing consumption.
Lastly, Doctor Crakenthorp in his most learned and accurate Defence of the church of England, against the revolted Archbishop of Spallatta, cap. 16. This your Roman Church (saith he) must be accounted both to be in the church, and to be a church, not simply, nor according to the integrity of the faith, nor [Page 71]according to any inward vertue; nor so effectually, that it should avail to salvation for a man to be in it: but yet a church it is in some respects, according to the external profession of faith, and of the word of God, and according to the administration of the Sacraments, and according to some doctrines of true belief; by which, as by so many outward ligaments, she is yet knit to the Orthodox and Cathelick Church
Fifthly, They dispute thus: obj. 5
- Out of the true church there is no salvation:
- But in the Roman church there is salvation:
- Ergo, the Roman church is the true church.
That out of the true church there is no salvation, they confirm by the testimony of St. Cyprian: Non potest habere Deum patrem, qui Ecclesiam non habet matrem: He cannot have God to his Father, who acknowledgeth not the Church for his Mother. And by an Argument rather typick then topick,
- The Ark was a type of the church:
- But out of the Ark none were saved from the Deluge:
- Ergo, out of the church none are saved from the gulph of destruction, but are certainly drowned in perdition.
The assumption they make good out of the confession [Page 73]of many learned Protestants: Of Luther, l. de Serm. arbit. Of Morney, tract de Eccles. c. 9. George Abbot. Answer to Hull. Reason 1. Sect. 30. Hooker l. 3. Ecclesias. Polit. Sect. 1. & concio. in Abbacuck 1. Field, of the church. l. 3. c. 47. Morton, Catholick Appeal. lib. 4. cap. 1. & Grand Impost. cap. 15. And if any rest not satisfied with these concurrent Judgements of learned Protestants, they put weak consciences to the rack with these, or the like Interrogatories, viz. ‘What think you? Were all the Founders of Colledges and Halls, all the Kings and Princes of these Realmes, nay all your Grand-fathers, and Great Grand-fathers, [Page 74]who lived before the Reformation in Luthers time, damned, and now fry in the flames of Hell?’
Because with this kinde of reasoning they prevail much with men of a tender conscience, sol. and charitable disposition; of whom we may truly say, as Paterculus doth of Cato, Optimo animo nocuit Reipublicae: Out of a pious minde and good nature, they so resolve the former doubt, that they some way wrong and prejudice the Protestant Cause. I will put this fair Piece of Coyn, currant among very many, to the Test of a more particular Examination, then hath yet been done by any to my knowledge.
First therefore, i. I retort the Argument upon the Adversary, that he may thereby either feel the strength of it against himself, or see the weakness thereof as it is urged against us.
- 'Out of the true church 'there is no salvation:
- 'But out of the Roman church there is salvation:
- 'Ergo, the Roman church is 'not the true church.
In this Syllogism the major is theirs. The assumption they will not deny, unless they will confess either that they are within the Roman church, or are out of the state of salvation. To say nothing of the Greek Churches under the Patriarch of Constantinople, [Page 76]and the Egyptians under the Patriarch of Alexandria, and infinite other Christian churches in Africa and Asia, which (as Thevetus a Popish Cosmographer confesseth) are so far from subjection to the Roman church, that they know not whether there be any such or no; and (yet I am sure these men will not cast the Dy upon their salvation) let them look to it, how they can keep off the conclusion, viz. The Roman church is not the true church.
Secondly, ii. I answer by way of distinction of the tearms, of which this Argument consisteth; of which are, 1. Out of the true church. 2. Salvation. 3. The Roman church.
[Page 77]1. i. A man may be said to be out of the church in a double sense:
1. Either because he is out of the communion of the Church.
2. Or because he is out of the pale, confines, or jurisdiction of any church.
A church may be said to be true. 1. ii. Either simply and universally, namely such a church as holdeth no error at all in any point that trencheth upon salvation, or is necessary to be required to be believed by any Christian implicitè, or explicitè; but maintaineth entirely all Catholick truths in this nature. 2. Secundum quid, or in part; namely such a church as holdeth no error in such points [Page 78]as are absolutely necessary to salvation; and all men are bound explicitely to believe, under pain of Damnation: such as are the first principles of Divinity, and fundamental Articles of our Christian Belief.
1. iii. When there is a question of Salvation, the meaning may be,
- 1. Either of the possibility, viz. whether in such a church salvation by any means may possibly be had?
- 2. Or of the certainty of Salvation; whether by the holding of the Doctrine of that church, and living conformable thereunto, a man shall certainly & undoubtedly be saved?
The Roman church may be, iv.
- 1. Either taken for all churches professing the Christian Faith in Rome and Italy, and other countreys subject to the Popes Jurisdiction:
- 2. Or for the outward face of the Roman church, holding Pope Pius his Creed, affixed to the Council of Trent; and maintaining and practising all the idolatrous and superstitious Rites enjoyned by the Pope and his Cardinals.
According to these Distinctions, in full satisfaction of the former Argument, I set down these Assertions following, which weaken all the [Page 80]sinews, and loosen the joynts thereof, viz.
First, i. A man may be saved who is out of the confines or jurisdiction of any Church. For a true Believer in the wilderness, or under the Pole, or in Japan, or China, or in any part out of the Christian world, among the Pagans and Infidels may be saved: yet no man can be saved out of the communion of the true church of Christ, either actual and in profession, or at least virtual, or in desire: For all that are saved, must believe the communion of Saints, and be members of Christs mystical body, and have some fellowship both with the Head, and other members. And this is the meaning of [Page 81]Saint Cyprian, That such hereticks or schismaticks who renounce all communion with the church their mother, so long as they continue in that minde, cannot have God to be their father.
Secondly, ii. Out of the true church in the first sense (that is, a church which holdeth entirely all doctrines of Faith, implicitely or explicitely, to be believed, as principles or conclusions deducted from them) there may be had salvation: but out of a true church in the second sense there can be ordinarily no salvation. For a sound belief in all such fundamental Points, is absolutely necessary to the very essence of a church: and where there is [Page 82]absolutely no church, there is no calling by the Word and Sacraments: and where no such calling, no ordinary meanes of Salvation. But where these Doctrines are taught (though many pernicious errors by consequence overthrowing the very foundation, are held) there may be Salvation. For it is very possible that those who live in such a corrupt church, may (with the Bereans) examine the Doctrine of their Teachers by the Scriptures, and embrace such Doctrines as their Teachers propound unto them agreeable thereunto, and reject those that are contrary, as many thousands did in the Arian churches, Hilar. cont. [...]ent. whose eares were purer then the [Page 83]mouthes of their Teachers.
Thirdly, iii. In a very corrupt church there must be acknowledged a possibility of salvation, but no certainty and infallibility our of a pure and orthodox church. A possibility of salvation cannot be denied the ignorant especially, because they hold the foundation, and survey not the Building: and the foundation can deceive no man that rests upon it. But a secure way they cannot goe where they meet with such corruptions.
‘Now wisdom there can be none, in such a point as salvation is, to forsake a church in which there is certainty of salvation, to follow a church in which there [Page 84]is a bare possibility.’ Nay St. Austine (l. 1. de Bapt. cont. Donat. c. 3. Graviter peccarent in rebus ad salutem animae pertinentibus eo solo quod certa in certis preponerent: i. e. they should grievously sin in matters concerning the salvation of their souls, if they prefer things doubtful before things certain) chargeth them with a great sin, who in point of salvation preferre uncertainties and naked possibilities, before an evident and certain course.
Fourthly, iv. There may be certainty of salvation to many thousands of christians, who live within the circuit of the Popes Jurisdiction, and have communion with the Roman [Page 85]church in common points of Christianity, so they joyn not with her in her errors and superstitions. And farther we cannot deny a possibility of salvation to those who held many of her errours, (as no doubt many of our Ancestors did) so long as they held the main foundation of Protestant Doctrine, to wit, salvation onely by the merits of Christ (which all generally did before the Council of Trent, as appears by the Ordo visitandi infirmos, allowed till then by the church of Rome) and asked God forgiveness at their death, of all their errours known or unknown. But there can be reasonably granted neither certainty, nor possibility of salvation, [Page 86]to such as in the light of the Gospel (where they have means better to inform themselves) hold all the errors and corruptions of the Roman church, and die in the explicite maintenance thereof. For the rule of the Apostle is most certain, no Idolater (remaining such, that is without repentance) shall inherit the kingdom of God. And (besides Heresies) the present church of Rome (that is, the prevalent faction therein) is justly charged by the Reformed churches with manifold Idolatry.
Lastly, obj. 6 They go about to obscure the matter with a cloud of Allegations and Testimonies; which yet is not so thick, but that the truth [Page 87]pierceth it, and breaketh through with her bright beams.
In the first place they set Luther against us, Ep. Pleb. & Anabat affirming in one of his Epistles, That there is in the Papacy true Scripture, true Baptism, the true Sacraments, much christian good; nay all christian good: nay moreover, that under the Papacy is true Christianity; imo verus nucluus christianitatis, the very kernel of christianity.
Next, Calvin Instit. lib 4. ii. cap. 2. Sect. 12. Hinc patet, nos minime negare quia sub Romani ontificis tryanide ecclesia maneant, we deny not but that there remain churches under the tyranny of the Pope; whose seat is placed [Page 88]in the temple of God: whereby it is intimated, that his kingdome shall be such, quod nec Christi, ne [...] ecclesia nomen aboleat, as doth neither abolish, or take from the name of Christ, or of the Church.
Junius, iii. lib singular de eccles. Ecclesia Romana, qua id habet in se quod ad ecclesiae definitionem pertinet, est ecclesiae, i. e. the Church of Rome, as it hath in it that which belongs to the definition of a church, is a church.
Field, iv. the church of Rome is truly a Church
Zanchius, v. Pref. l. de Nat. Dei. Satan could not in the very Roman church do what he listed, as he had done in the Eastern; to bring all [Page 89]things to such a pass, as that it should have no more the form of a christian church: And a little after, I do not assent to them which would have the church of Rome to have no less ceased to be the church of Christ, than those Eastern churches, which afterwards turned Mahumetan. What church was ever more corrupt then the church of the ten Tribes? yet we learn from the Scriptures, that it was still the church of God. And how doth St. Paul call that church wherein Antichrist shall sit, the temple of God? Neither is it any Baptism at all that is administred out of the church of Christ. The wife that is an adulteress, doth not cease to be a wife, [Page 90]unless being despoiled of her Marriage-ring, she be manifestly divorced. The church of Rome therefore is yet the church of Christ.
Doctor Crathenthorp, vi. tract. M. S. The church of Rome is a true, but unsound, visible church: for wheresoever the outward profession of Faith, and of the Word of God is found, among such as be united by the Sacraments of Christ, and with that mutual duty which is betweene Pastours and their Flocks, the same cannot but be acknowledged for a visible church, or coetus vocatorum, such a society of men as are outwardly called to the participation of grace and glory.
The Lord Bishop of Exon, vii. [Page 91]in his Treatise called, The old Religion, cap. 1. Fundamental truth is like that Maronean Wine, which if it be mixed with twenty times so much water, holds his strength The Sepulchre of Christ was overwhelmed by the Pagans without earth and rubbish, and more then so: over it they built a temple to their impure Venus, yet still in spite of malice, there was the Sepulchre of Christ. And it is a ruled case of Papinian, That a sacred place looseth not the holiness with the demolished walls, no more doth the Roman loose the claim of a true visible church, by her manifold and deplorable corruptions.
And this testimony of his [Page 92]is backed with the Approbations of two right Reverend, and most Learned Fathers in our Church, the Bishops of Duresm and Salisbury; and two Eminent Doctors, the Kings Professor at Oxford; and Doctor Primerose Preacher to the French Church in London.
To answer unto, sol. or rather interpret the above-alledged testimonies in order:
To the first, i. which is Luthers, I say, That though Luther in writing against the Anabaptists (who denied Baptism in the Church of Rome, wherein Luther himself was christianed) had reason to make the best he could of that church; yet he attributeth no more to it than [Page 93]Saint Austine, and other Fathers do to the Donatists and other Hereticks, whom they acknowledge to have among them the Word and Sacraments; which yet they held to be no way beneficial to their salvation, if they persisted in their Schismes and Heresies; but would be then available unto them, when they should repent and return to the bosome of the true church. Neither doth Luther say, that papatus est omne bonum christianum, or nucleus christianitatis; that the Papacy is all Christian good, or the kernel of Christianity: but, in, or sub papatu; in, or under the Papacy, is the true Creed, the true Decalogue, the true Lords Prayer, which [Page 94]he tearmeth the Kernel of Christianity. Wherein he accords with other Protestants, that by reason of these Remains in the Roman church, God may have, and hath, his true church, even where Antichrist hath his seat: or that there are many true Believers throughout all the Popes jurisdiction; or (to use their own words) the Papacy is in the church and the church is in the papacy: yet the papacy is not the church, but a botch, or blain, or plague-sore in it, under which there is sound flesh; yet the plague sore is not the sound flesh For otherways, if we understand by the Roman church not the true Believers (which secretly in it worship God in [Page 95]spirit and truth, and mourn for those abuses which it is not in their power to reform) but the predominant Faction which adhereth to the Pope, and maintaineth all the Errors and Corruptions of that Church. Luther held the Roman church in that sense to be the whore of Babylon, and Synagogue of Antichrist, as he who lists may read in his Book, Entituled, Captivitas Babylonica, and in his Answer to the Pop [...]s Bull, which he tearmeth, The execrable Bull of Antichrist.
To the second, ii. which is Calvins, I say, That if his testimony had been alledged entirely, it would have shamed the Alledgers. For though he deny not the title [Page 96]of a Church to Papists, yet in the same place he flatly denieth them the title of a true Church, which is the cardo questionis. His words are, Cum ergo Ecclesiae titulum non simpliciter volumus concedere Papistis, nonideo ecclesias apud eos esse inficiamur, sed tantum litigamus de vera & legitima ecclesiae constitutione, &c. i. e. When as we refuse absolutely to grant the Title of Church unto Papists, we do not therefore deny that there are churches among them; but we strive for the true and lawful constitution of the church, which is required as well in the participation of the Sacraments, as especially the Doctrine.
Churches he grants to be, to remain under the Popes tyranny; but impiously profaned, miserably afflicted and corrupted with pernicious errors: In quibus semisepultus latet Christus, obrutum Evangelium, profligata pietas, cultus Dei ferè abolitus; in quibus danique omnia sic sunt conturbata, ut Babylonis potius quam civitatis sanctae fucies apareat. Wherein Christ lieth buried, the Gospel overwhelmed, Piety banished, and the Worship of God almost abolished: Lastly, where all things are so confused, that it appeareth rather to be Babylon, then to have so much as a shew of the holy City.
To the third, iii. As Calvin before, so Junius is cited to [Page 98]halfs. The full passage standeth thus in him: The church of Rome (as it hath that in it which belongs to the definition of a church) is a church: qua vero habet in se adnatum malum, quod Papalitatem dicimus, eo respectu ecclesia non est: as it hath a disease, or evil growing in it, which we call Papacy, in that respect it is not a church. In this place he fitly compares the church to a body or subject, capable both of health and sickness: the sincere and Catholick Profession he resembles to Health; the Papacy, or Papal Hierarchy, and other corrupt Doctrines of the Church, he rightly and very significantly calleth a Disease or Sickness; a plague [Page 99]or canker, a consumption or poyson in this body: and then concludes, That the Roman Synagogue is a church, but a corrupt church: a church tainted with so strong a poyson, as unless it purge out the same, cunnot be saved: and still as more or less Papality is in it, the more weak or strong it groweth: and if God shall (which we earnestly desire he may) administer a strong antidote, it may recover the health which once it had; but if the poyson still continue in it, it cannot chuse but at length all the vital spirits and passages of breath and life, which now it draweth in a fainting and languishing maner, will be utterly stifled and stopped.
To the fourth, iv. which is Fields, I need not answer at all: for I grant his Assertion in terminis; especially with his Addition in the same place, not a true church. The Romish Synagogue is truely a church, thut is, a company of men prosessing the Christian Faith: not a true church, that is, an Orthodox or right believing church, but very erronious and heretieal.
To the fifth, v. which is Zanchius, He (as Field, and the rest before) should have rather been produced as a witness on our side, and not against us: for he saith in the very place alledged by the Adversary, That if we bring the Roman church to the touch, she will be cast for a meer counterfeit: [Page 101]she is as far from truth, as truth from falshood. Yet a church she is; but (as he there addeth) so corrupted and depraved, and with so great tyranny oppressed, that you can neither with a good conscience partake with her in holy things, nor safely dwell by her. She is (to use his similitude) like an adultercss wife, not divorced by her husband; but yet not onely defamed, but openly convinced of whoredom. Such a woman, so long as her husband is pleased not to sue out a Bill of Divorce against her, is a wife, but no true or loyall wife.
To the sixth, vi. which is Doctor Crakenthorps, I answer: Though in my Copy, in the [Page 102]title of his Treatise I finde the church of Rome a true visible church, yet all that is proved in the Argument alledged above out of him, or in that whole Treatise, is but, That the Roman Synagogue is a church; to which the outward preaching of the Word, and administration of the Sacraments, is sufficient. But to prove her to be a true church he must have demonstrated the marks of a true church in her, which are pura verbi predicatio, & legitima sacramentorum administratio; pure preaching of the word, and right administration of the sacraments. These marks he proveth not to be in her most truly and solidly; and therefore his meaning must needs [Page 103]be onely this, That she is truly a church, but not a true or right believing church: a church wherein there is possibility of salvation, not a true church wherein there is certainty.
To the seventh, vii. which is Doctor Halls Bishop of Exon, I answer: That he, as Doctor Crakenthorp before, referreth true to visible, not to church; and his meaning is, That the Roman is a true visible, but not a true church. Fundamental truth, I grant, is like that Maronean Wine (as I said before) which if it be mixt with twenty times so much water, holds it strength: but the Romish Doctrine is rather like that Wine in the chalice given to Pope Victor, [Page 104]which was mingled with poyson. As the earth and rubbish wherewith the Pagans overwhelmed the Sepulchre of Christ, was not the Sepulchre of Christ; and much less was the temple of impure Venus which they built over it, his sepulchre; yet his fepulchre was truly under it: So the Papacy is not the church, though under it the church be. And that this was the meaning of that most learned and judicious Bishop, appeares in his Reconciler, page 60. where he thus interpreteth his owne meaning, viz. ‘I say, that she is a true church, but I say withal that she is a false church: true in existence, but false in belief. Trueness of being, and outward [Page 105]visibility, are no praise to her; yea, they are aggravations to her falshood. And as a cheater is a true, though false, man; so we may & must say, the church of Rome is a true, though false, church. Certainely there hath been a true error and mistaking of the sense, that is guilty of this quarrel: And again, that face, that profession, those avowed principles which the church of Rome alloweth, are enough to give it claim to a true outward visibility of a Christian Church; while those damnable inferences which it maketh from them are enough to feoffe it in the true style of Heresie and Antichristianism.’
As for the renowned Seconds of this Bishop, they rather purge him from any ill meaning, than justifie that speech of his. For by name the Bishop of Sarum writeth, that this Proposition of the Bishop of Exons, to wit, that the Roman church remains a true visible church, is an ill sounding Proposition in the ears of Protestants, especially such as are not throughly acquainted with School distinctions. For though men skilled in Metaphysicks hold it for a Maxime, Ens verum & bonum convertuntur; that which is true, is good: and that which is good, is true: yet with us he that shall affirm such a one is a true christian, a true Gentleman, a [Page 107] true Scholar, or the like, is conceived not only to ascribe trueness of being to all these, but those due qualities, or requisite actions, whereby they are made commendable, or praise-worthy in their several kindes. In this sense the Roman church is not more a true Church in respect of Christ, or those due qualities or proper Actions which Christ requires, than an arrant whore is a true and loyal Wife to her Husband. I durst upon my Oath be one or your Compurgators, that you never intended to adorn that strumpet with the title of a trne Church in this meaning, &c.
Thus we see the Testimonies for the truth of the Roman [Page 108]man church are but few; and these neither direct, nor express: whereas the contrary Testimonies are far more, and more express, and of more credit. Therefore if the Suffrages on both sides are truly numbred, or indifferently weighed, we shall surely carry it. For if we adde to the Greek, and Affrican, and Asiatick, and Ethiopian, and Abyssen, and Indian, and Muscovite Churches, the Reformed in England, France, the Low-countreys, and Germany; we shall finde that the whole world in a maner conspireth in this truth, That the church of Rome is not the true church. As the Testimonies on this side are infinitely more in number, so much [Page 109]more direct and expresse. They that say the Roman is a true church, do but speak it lispingly, in some sense, and with divers restrictions and limitations: but those who deny it, and disprove it to be a true church, speak plainly and roundly, without any ambiguity at all. In the Homily for Whit-sunday, page 213. We may well conclude according to the rule of St. Austine, That the Bishop of Rome and their adherents, are not the true church: and if we compare the definition of the true church, with the church of Rome, not as it was in the beginning, but as it is presently; then shall we perceive the state thereof to be so far wide from the nature of the [Page 110]true church, as nothing can be more.
Doctor Whitaker (that golden Taper of Cambridge) cont. 2. q. 6. cap. 1. propounding this question in terminis, An ecclesia Romana sit vera ecclesia Christi visibilis, i. e. Whether the Roman Church be a true visible church of Christ? thus determineth it: We say it is not onely not the onely catholick, but not at all catholick: not onely not catholick, to wit, universal, but we contend it is not a true church of Christ.
And Willet in his second Controversie concerning the Church, quest. 4. page 115. undertaketh to prove this Conclusion terminis terminantibus, as the Schooles [Page 111]speak, i. e. in concluding tearms, That the Roman is not a true visible church.
Lastly, as the Testimonies on our side are more direct and express, so they are much more to be credited then those which are brought for the adverse part: For one man that sealeth a Truth with his blood, is of more worth then ten who signed it onely with Ink: one Marryr preponderateth ten Confessors. Now whereas those on the contrary opinion cannot produce one true Martyr who died for maintaining this Assertion, That the Roman church is a true church, we can produce divers holy Martyrs, as namely, Fox Acts and Monuments. Master Sanders, Thomas Osmond, William [Page 112]Bamford, Nicholas Chamberlain, Robert Glover, Thomas Man, and others; who have sealed this Truth with their last Breath, and illustrated it by the fire of their Martyrdom, That the Popish Church is not the true church of Christ. These are now arrayed with long white robes; and God forbid that any true Professor of the Gospel should go about to stain them with this foul aspersion, That they died like fools, and suffered for errour, or obstinacy, or uncharitably censuring of the church of Rome. I conclude therefore, That though the Romish Synagogue may be truely and rightly styled a church, both opposite (in opposition to [Page 113]Jews, Turks, Pagans, and Infidels, which are apparantly out of the church) and positive) positively also in respect of Gods right to her, and tolerating her, (though she deserve to be divorced) and his calling some to the knowledge of the Truth by the Word preached in her, though corruptly; and in respect of her profession of such fundamental Truths as are absolutely requisite to the being of a church: yet that she cannot be called a true church, neither in the ordinary acception of the word in the English tongue: nor in sensu Theologico, in the sense of all the reformed Divines, who have professedly handled the great Question between us, [Page 114]and the church of Rome, de notis verae ecclesiae, of the notes of the true church.