THo: Pallord and Henry Hagger, who are mighty in the work of your Father, John 8.44. you pre­tend to clear the truth of Scandals, but of it are Lyars and Scandallers, and evil Speakers, and false Accusers; and therefore that you may take notice of the fruit of your Fathers Spirit, by which you are guided and taught to lie: I have viewed your work, or scandalous and deceitful Book, and gathered out of it, being numbred up, the sum of (60 and odde, or) Threescore Lies and more, be­sides [Page 7] many that I have passed by; these being sufficient for to manifest your Spirit and the deceit of your heart; as also severall lies gathered out of a Paper, written or caused to be Printed under the name of John Griffith, oue of the wa­ter Baptizers with you, or in your number,; and I hare al­so sent them back amongst you into the lyars Generation again: take them and keep them, for they are returned back upon you, and into the lyars generation from whence they came, that Truth may be kept clear, and you appear in your lying colours, or be laid open who are such great deceivers, unto your shame, who hath taken upon you to slander and revile the Lotds people (by you in disdain cal­led Quakers) and also to Prophesie or publish your lies in pretence of the Lords Name: But to bo wort, I shall lay several of them down, & return them back upon you from whence they came,

Tho: Pollard; Thou hast set down things which I neither spoke nor writ, and says, I affirmed them, when I did not; and therefore thy gronnds being lies, that which springs out of them is so, as well as thy Grounds or Heads; but I turn them under, and drive them back with the rest of thy Lies into the Serpents seat ugain, & lyars Generation from whence they came.

E [...]or or Lie the firstIn thy third page, Thou says it is such a deceipt, that they that say they have no sin the truth is not in them; but thou cannot prove thy saying therein, whose fallacy is laid down in that word [they] which includes any; when the Scri­pture says not so, as thou dost; and therefore, in that, thou hast lyed of the truth and truths friends, as it appeareth. And here thou goes about to prove, that Christ, and such as are in him, hath no truth in them, and that is contradi­ction to the Scripture and the Spirits Doctrine; for thou fetbheth Christ in with them, and includes all in that word [they] saying, They that say they have no sin, the truth is not in thom: as much as to say, They that are without sin, are without truth, and have no truth in them, but Christ, and such as are in him are without sin: Therefore if they say they are without sin, there is no truth in them (as thou says) [Page 8] for that is contrary to thy proofless Argument: Pollard or Hagger, whether of you laid it down, take notice of your folly therein; here thou would [by that] have Christ, and such as are in him, to have no truth in them: see what a trick the deceit hath taught thee in that, for first it is said of Christ, That he sinned not, and so was without sin, for no guile was found in his month; and therefore he was with­out sin, and the truth was in him, contrary to thy lying of him; for he is both the way, the truth, and the life, Joh. 14.6. and is without sin, but full of truth, and such as abide in him they sin not, as saith the Scripture, 1 Joh. 3.5,6. then such as abide in Christ sin not, as the Scripture saith, they are without sin, 1 John 3.9. and the truth is in them; for such said, That as he was, so was they in this present world, 1 John 4.16,17. Pallard, take notice of thy Errors and Lies, and also of thy contradiction of the Scripture; For they that did abide in Christ, and sinned not, 1 John 3.6. they were so far trom being without truth, or having no truth in them, that they were full of grace and truth, for the Spirit of God was in them, which was truth and no lie, 1 John 3.24.

And secondly, the word of God was in them, 1 John 2.14. and they were strong in the Lord and the power of his truth, for they had overcome the wicked one, and the word of God were abiding in them; and so the truth of God abode within them, for saith Christ to his Father, Sanctifie them with thy word, thy word is truth, John 17.17. Then they that had overcome the wicked one, and were sanctified through the truth, and were without sin, having also the word of God abiding within, they were full of truth, and not without it, or no truth in them: take no­tice of thy absurdities and lies, for they had the holy Un­ction within them that were without sin, and that was truth and no lie, 1 John 2.20. and 27. and greater was he that was in them, then he that was in the World, 1 Iohn 4.4. take notice of thy lie, and that trick of thy deceit.

[Page 9] Error or Lie the se­cond.Thy second Lie] is that, thou saies we boast of perfection: perfection in and by Christ we own, else we should deny the truth and the worke of grace according to the working of the Spirit of God, as it is witnessed according to the Scripture, and by the Ministrie of Christ in the new Cove­nant, Math. 5.48. and Eph. 4.11.12.13. 1 Cor. 2.6. Heb. 6.1. Heb. 12.22.23, but though we witnesse to the truth and the worke of the Spirit of Grace, yet boasting of perfection, &c: that we deny and therefore thou hast acted Antichrists spirit, and told thy second Lie]

Error or Lie the thirdIn thy third Lie] thou saies that we make it our whole worke to turne away poore soules from the truth, but art without proofe for that Lie, for such as are guided by the Spirit of truth, to turne people from the darkness to the light, turnes them to the truth, and not from it, (as thou saies) Act. 26.16.17.18. and we being so guided are made instrumentall to turne people, from the darknesse to the light, and so from the power of Satan to the power of God, and many souls that art turned to the truth can wit­nesse for us, and against thee, and such thy disciples, who hast herein manifested thy third Lie] and so made it thy work to Lie, and businesse to sin and doe evill, which is the work of thy Father the Devill.

Lrror or Lie the fourth and fifth.Thou saies we turne people from the Scriptures: so didst thou say to me at Harliston, but could not prove it, and many reproved thee for it.

And in thy fifth lie] thou sayst we turne them from the ordinances or Christ.

Error or Lies the 6. 7. &c.And in thy sixth Lie] thou saies that we are proud, pre­sumptious, and selfwilled, but art to prove thy lying slan­ders therein, and all that feares God, and knows our con­versation, may witness against such thy absurdities or thy grosse Lies.

Lie the seventh] Thou saies we strike at Jesus Christ, but such as are obedient to him, do not strike at him neither are they self-willed nor proud and as thou-saies, but we o­bey him that walke in his statutes, and keepe his ordinances as he hath delivered them unto us, therefore t [...]ou art [Page 10] charged with the Lies left behind, and they shall stand for thy selfe, and such in thy nature]

And thy eight Lie] is where thou saies that we are scor­ners: but scorning we deny, and also striking at Jesus, or doing as thou saies, and therefore thou art charged with the Lies who makes lying thy refuge.

In thy tench Lie] thou saies we are turned with the dogg to his vomit, and the sow that was washed to the wallow­ing in the mire: and that thou canst not prove, and therefore in it, art the Lier, as also in the other, accompanied with the tenth Lie, to and in thy sixth page.]

The eleventh, Lie] is in page the seventh, where thou saies we impudently boast of perfection: but impudency, and also boasting as I said before that we denie, and there in thou art charged with the eleventh Lie]

And in Lie the twelfth] thou saies we judge all to be in darknesse that throwes not away the rule of truth: But we judge all to be in the light, and not in darknesse, that are led by the Spirit of God, the rule and guide into all truth, for they that are led by the Spirit of God are we Sons of God, Rom. 8.14, &c. Joh. 16.13. Gala. 4.6: and there a­gaine thou art charged with another Lie, which makes up the number a whole dozen, or twelve of thy Lies, left with­out proofe, take notice thereof and be thou ashamed and Haggar also, who is thy backer or partaker therein, that hath either acted the same or joyned with thee to carry on that deceit, wherein so many Lies are brought forth and more also, which may be for your shame.

In the thirteenth Lie] Thou saies we justifie our selves: but self-justification we do deny: and therefore thou art left charged with the thirteenth Lie.

And thou saies we judge rashly of all men that are not of our minde calling them Devills, &c. But that is as the rest of thy proofless Lies] though thou say thou can shew it under some of our hands; I charge thee to doe it, if thou canst, or else thou art left changed with the fourteenth Lie]

And Lie the fifteenth sixteenth and seventeenth with the other in page the seventh; Thou saies we glory in appea­rances [Page 11] appearances, having a kinde of voluntary humilitie, and saith we goe about to set up our selves, and not the Lord: but selfe is by us denyed, who walke in obedience to the commands and teachings of the Spirit of the Lord: and vo­luntary humility that we deny, and all false and fleshly ap­pearances which is not the Lords, and therefore the fifteen sixteene and seventeenth Lies] are left for thee, and shall stand for thy selfe, take them in againe, for they are return­ed back into the Liers generation from whence they come.

And in thy 18 lie] Thou slandereth us with deluding tongues; and Lie the nineteenth, with out-side holiness; and in Lie the twentieth, with and for throwing dirt in the face of truth.

And in lie 21, Thou saies we destroy men by our do­ctrine, &c.

Lie the 22. Which had its rise from Hell as thou saies, but these are but like the rest of thy lies who art so ac­customed to it, and therefore goes on in it, to manifest thy deluding tongue, lying and hellish doctrine, &c. proceed­ing from an Erronious and deceitfull Spirit, for lying and deluding tongues is by us denied, who walke in obedience to the truth through the Spirit, as such did 2 Pet. 1.22.23. who were borne againe and were of the incorruptible seed: and all outside holinesse which is not the holinesse of God, is by us denyed, and throwing dirt in the face of truth, shall stand for thy selfe, who art such an abominable lyer; which is by us denyed, and also, all doctrine that is from darknesse and Hell, arid thou canst not prove what thou hast said; thy witnesse is but from darknesse, and the cor­ruptions of thy evill heart, and so of thy selfe; and not true, therefore the 18. 19. 20, 21. and 22 Lies with the rest of thy Antichristian worke is charged upon thee, and left for thy selfe and such as with thee in it, hath taken thy part, take notice of thy errours or lies, and thy Antichristian worke.

And thy 23 lie] Is one of thy first heads or ground of thy booke; where thou saies, R.F. said, he was a man wholly [Page 12] free from sin and not subject to any one temptation, such words were not so spoken by me, though to the truth I did witnesse as I doe still, against thy deceit, and such as thou art, neither canst thou produce them, so set downe toge­ther, in that my book which thou pretends thine answer unto, therefore in that thou hast made a lie thy refuge, and grounds much upon it, but if thy first head, or that ground be a lie, then the rest is but that which the lier hath scrap­ed together to guard it withall, seeking thereby to uphold his deceit, therefore be ashamed that thou shouldest so ut­ter thy folly, to make thy selfe manifest as thou hast done; But such as are wholly free from sin, are sanctified by Christ and them, and their condition I truly love: 1 Cor. 6.11. Heb. 2.10.11. 1. Pet. 4.1.2. and they that have suffered in the flesh and seased from sin, though they may be tempted, yet if they be not subject to enter into temptations, they are upheld by the power of God, and united to Christ, who though he was tempted in all things like unto us, yet he were not subject to the tempter, neither did he enter in­to the temptation; And it is no sin to be tempted, but to obey the tempter, and enter into temptation that is a sin, and though Christ was tempted, yet he did not obey the tempter, and therefore did not sin, and such as are united to Christ, and abideth in him, they do not sin as saith the Scriptures 1 Joh. 3.6: then they enter not into temptation, that are so united, and abide with Christ in that true union, but as he is so are they in this present world, as the Scrip­ture witnesseth, 1 Joh. 4.16.17: Rev. 14.3.4.5: and ant thou offended at that, if thou be, it is but to shew thy dis­like to the work of Christ, which is to take away sin, and thy contradiction to the Scripture, which also witnesseth the same.

And thy 24 lie] Is one of thy grounds or second heads, by which thou labours to uphold thy deceit, in page the 8 which thou calls the second thing that Farnsworth as thou saies affirmed, that is as thou saies, when Paul spoke those words, in the seaventh of the Romans, where he cries out of a body of death, and of the warfare he had in himselfe, and [Page 13] to streng then thy lies] thou saies Farnsworth said he was not then converted: lier art thou not ashamed of such an a­bominable lie, let the wise hearted search the booke writ­ten by me, and see if they can in it finde such an affirmative: and thou pretends to write thine, in answer unto it; and in page the 22 thou saies, these are his principles he saith he ownes in his book: oh that a man professing godlinesse should no more regard what he saies, bur it is good that fooles utter their sollie, as thou hast done thine thereby to manifest that deceit which long hath lain hid within thee, but the book shall stand a witnesse against thee; And that lie thou hast laid as a ground to build upon, but the ground being false the building cannot stand, therefore thou art left with thy refuge of lies, and the burden thou must beare who art so acting Antichrists Spirit, and being accustomed to do evill how canst thou do well? be ashamed for ever of thy bundle, or number of lies] which are so prooflesse, and now are back upon thee returned, and in the liers generati­on are left to remaine.

And thy 25 lie] is in thy 8th page, which thou saies is thy answer to that as aforesaid, where thou saies thou an­swered and said O man, minde thy errour, what Paul a messenger of the Gospel and so eminent Apostle of Christ and unconverted! here I charge thee with this lie also, for I neither said that Paul at that time were unconverted, nor thou made noe such answer then unto mee, and co say thou so answered when thou did not as many may wirnesse that is grosse deceit and double hypocrisie: therefore Pollard, thou therein hast made thy selfe manifest by thy lying Spirit to be a wicked lier, a grosse deceaver, and a double hypocrit: oh, man! see thy errour lies and deceit, and blush, and also be ashamed for ever: thou pretended to write thy booke in answer to mine but cannot prove such sayings therein, nor Hagger to helpe thee, yet you have bended your tongues like your bowes for lies, and made them your refuge but truth sweeps them away or casts them out, turning them upon you, you liers againe, and into the liers generation from whence they came, and all that which thou hast scrap­ed [Page 14] together and Haggar to help thee, for the backing of your deceit and to mannage your lies I passe over, and come to that which thou calls thy third thing Farnsworth affirmed as thou saies, which is thy 26 lie] saying that where Iohn spake those words, if we say we have no sin, we deceive our selves, &c. (saying, he said) Iohn did not here speak of himself, but the people to whom he spake those words were unconverted.

That is but like unto the rest of thy lies, but thou canst not prove such a saying in my Book, and thou says, those was my principles which I stood by and owned in my book; and saying so, but cannot prove thy saying therein▪ I pass by the rest of thy stuff which thou hast scraped toge­ther to back or strengthen thy lie withal, and leave thee charged with that Lie also, which makes up the number 26.]

And where thou says thou pleads not for a continuance in sin, thy lying also therein is seen, who art so accustom­ed to it, and it is hard for thee to leave it.

And where thou art speaking about trying the Spirits, page 11. Liars hath nothing to do to try them; but thou art a Lyar, and hath a number of lies charged upon thee, and therefore thine is tryed & known thereby to be a lying, & so an erring spirit: But thou says, you may honestly ar­gue that, If they and they onely be the friends of God, that walk in obedience to the Commandments of God, then they must needs be enemies that oppose; but the first is true, thou says: Then it follows from thy own argu­ment, about the tryal of Spirits, that thou that opposeth the truth, art the enemy, and the only enemy and no friend; for he commands, That every one that names the Name of Christ, should depart from iniquity, and that they should not lie, &c. 2 Tim. 2.19. Eph. 4.22,23,24,25. but thou art strong in iniquity, and so pleading for it, that such as obeys the commands of God, in departing from it, and thereby comes to be freed from it, and be without it; thou would have such to be enemies that are Gods friends, say­ing, They have no truth in them (if they be departed from [Page 15] iniquity so as to have no sin in them) and thus thou crosseth the Scriptures, and obeyeth not the light, but acts in dark­ness and opposeth the truth, and art not subject to the commands of God, who art such a Lyar, &c. who departs not from iniquity, but lives in opposition to the truth, and continues in lying, as is here manifest; therefore thy spi­rit is tryed, and thou art found to be the enemy of God; and also according to thy own saying, and self confusi­on: therefore stop thy mouth, and be silent about speak­ing of the things of the Spirit of God, by a lying spirit of error and deceit; for darkness speaks in thee, and the Ser­pents head who is yet unbruised in thee.

And where thou art speaking to those thou calls dear friends, saying, Beware least you be led away with the er­ror of the wicked: Thou art led away with the error of the wicked thy self, who art so given over to lying, as thou hast made thy self manifest; and being guided by a lying spirit, thou art to be denyed; but thou says, now is the hour of temptation: for if these be not wicked errors, I know not what is: Yes, thy many lies, which before with the rest that are set down are so) and the Scriptures which thou so much talks of, hath not kept thee for falling into them) but thou would put it off, and say they are those which are laid down to their view, which Farnsworth did stand by to vindicate, if his own testimony may stand.

Here again I charge thee to be a lyar and a false accuser, and that they was not so testified by Farnsworth, as thou hast set them down, thinking thereby to strengthen thy de­ceit; neither canst thou prove them to be so in his testimo­ny or book, which thou hast written thine in answer unto; and there thou art proved the Lyar in that as well as the rest, and therefore thou art left with them charged upon thee, and there they are to remain: clear thy self if thou can; for this book doth not clear thee, but lets thy filthi­ness more appear, neither doth it at all weaken the book thou pretendest it against, but it stands yet for the truth a­gainst thy deceit; as this doth stand to witness against thy lies, which in thine thou hast scraped together or heaped [Page 16] up, to manifest that thou art not builded upon the rock, and therefore thy building cannot stand, who makes lies thy refuge, being set upon the sand, as thy lies and confu­sion maketh it manifest; for the tree is known by its fruits, as thou art by thine, Matth. 7.15. And where thou saist to the Reader, that we deny the rule of Tryal to try the spirits withal, that is another of thy lies.

For in thy 28. Lie, page the 14. thou saist, The rule of tryal to try the spirits withal, is thrown away by them.

And in thy 29 Lie, Thou saist, it is become of none use to those men, except it be for advantage: take notice of thy Lies, and also of thy own confusion within thy exce­ption (for that which is for a good use and right advantage) is not thrown away, but made use of; but the tryal or Try­er spirits is not by us thrown away, though thou say it is, but made use of, according to thy saying in thy self-confutation, and it is both advantagious and profitable for us, and also to try your deceits; withal take notice of that, and take heed how thou utterest thy folly as thou hast done.

And where thou saist many poor souls have been misled, as to say that which men call sin doth as highly honor God, as that which men call Prayers, and holy performances, and faith; these things thou hast heard uttered by mouth, and seen in print, and hath, as it were, cast it as a slander upon upon us; and doth accuse us with it, where thou saist this is their principle; and how doth it open a door of loosness, pag. 14. Such Principles we do deny, and thy slander also, and all that knows our Principles and practice may witness against thee in thy filthy Slanders: And I charge thee in the presence of the Lord, and also Haggar thy partaker, to prove that ever such things were ever spoken or printed by us, or else be ashamed for ever, and own condemnation upon your wicked lies and gross errors, who are so far mis­led, as to act Antichrists part; making lies your refuge, seeking thereby to hold up your deceir.

And to thy fourth, That thou says Farnsworth affirmed [Page 17] that Christ had not a visible Church in the world; for thou saies they are his principles set downe in his book, that the Church was in God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is in his books: that he affirmeth, and the Scriptures wit­nesseth the same, 1 Thessalon. 1.1. 2 Thessalo. 1.1. and that the Church is made of living stones elect and pretious, a spirituall house for God to dwell in by the Spirit, and offi­cers and over-seers were made by the Holy-Ghost, and he is not visible for the world seeth him not, neither knoweth him and that is in his book; and the Scriptures witnesseth the same, at which thou art offended, 1 Pet. 2.5.6. John 14 17. Ephes. 2.20.21.22. Acts 20.28. And God is a Spirit and his Church is spirituall, and they endured as seeing him who is invisible, which thou appeares to be ignorant of, and thou saith to manifest thy darkness and ignorance therein, because Farnsworth, tells of an invisible or spiritu­all Church he thou saies is no member nor officer in that Church because he is a visible man: as much as to say, Paul that eminent Apostle, because he was a visible man (as to the outward body) his visible or bodily absence did exclude his invisible or spirituall presence from the Church; and that is contrary to the Scriptures, and Crosseth his experi­ence, and spirituall doctrine also, who him-self said that tho he was absent in body, yet he was present in Spirit beholding their order, Col. 2.5. then it was a spirituall order, and rule or government in the Church, and the visible and bo­dily absence of Paul did not exclude his invisible or spiritual presence, but that thou art blind in the things of God, the Spirit of God, as the Serpents seed ever was, and (accor­ding to that former saying of thine) because Christ was vi­siblely ascended, far beyond all Heavens, Acts. 1.11. Jesus of Nazareth could not be invisibly persecuted by the con­trary Spirits invisible men, &c. And that is cross to the Scriptures, for after Christ was so visiblely ascended, he spake to Saule that persecuted his seed, and he said Saul, Saul why persecutest thou mee: he said Lord who art thou that I persecute? he said I am Jesus of Nazareth, and he were ascended far beyond all Heavens, Acts 9.4.5.

[Page 18] When he were invisible by a contrary Spirit in a visi­ble man, so persecured, or his seed in his Saints, and such as were his Church that was chosen out of the world, Joh. 15.18.19: which Church thou hast shewed thy ignorance of, and thy blindnesse in.

That Farnsworth should say or affirme that all ordinan­ces ceased when Christ ascended and gave the Spirit; was never so spoken by him, neither canst thou find such a say­ing in that book which thou pretends to write thine in an­swer unto: therefore thy ground or fifth head being false, so is thy scraped up stuffe, and turned under by which thou seeks to make a cover, and thou art also left charged, with that thy 30 Lie]

And where thou hast gathered many Scriptures in thy book, about the Spirits teaching and Baptisme, &c: thou saies when thou instanced those Scriptures before, which thou hast set downe, thou saies Farnsworth said that was not water Baptisme: here thou hast lied againe, and that is thy 31 Lie] saying thou did before mention those Scrip­tures when thou did not then mention them, and thou saies many can witness it, but then it must be against thee and thy lies as I have done.

That one Scripture thou didst mention, of Ananias go­ing to Saul, and saying, Arise brother Saul and be Baptised and wash away thy sins: whereupon I asked thee if your water Baptisme did or could wash away sins, and thou stood and gave little or no answer therein, as many can witnesse; And if nothing can wash away sins but the blood of Christ or the water of regeneration, then it must needs be that the Baptisme which washeth away sins, is either by one Spirit into one body, 1 Cor. 12.13. and so into Christ, Gal. 3.27: and into the blood or life of the Covenant, or else into the holy unction and water of regeneration, where there is but one faith, one Lord, one God and Father of all them that are borne of the Spirit, and so Baptised into that one Baptism, Eph. 4.4.5.6. But thou couldest not witnesse that your outward water Baptisme did or could wash away sins, then it is not that Baptisme which doth: and being [Page 19] confounded in thy selfe, thou would have gon forth of the doores, but that I took thee by the arme, and stayed thee a­while, and spoke to thee till thou could not tell what to say for thy selfe, but said the letter (which thou called the writ­ten word) and the Spirit were inseparable, and then said, the letter was a Historie: And I told thee if I should have called it a History, then others would have been ready to have called that blasphemy: and being put to prove thy sayings thou could not, but to thy shame got from mee, and went away, and they of thy own company spoke to thee of it and were grieved to see thy folly so made manifest, as many can witnesse; but in that I cease, and let the other book witnese in that thing and the rest, further to, and for the truth, against thy deceipt.

And in thy 32 lie] Being so accustomed to it, thou saies we wickedly speake against Christ and his ordinances; But wickednesse and wicked speaking we deny, who own, honour and dearly love the Lord Jesus Christ and his ordi­nances: & speaking wickedly against them shall stand for thy selfe and such liers and false accusers as thou art, and that is thy 32 lie]

And in thy 33 lie] Thou saith, that when I asked thee, whether thy water Baptism did or could wash away sins, in thy book to make a cover and manifest thy lying Spirit the more, (in that as well as in the rest of thy lies thou hast done) thou sayes thou told me such words as is expressed in thy 17. page, when there was then no such thing by thee done, and therefore in that thou hast lyed of thy self, but lying is thy work, and that Spirit which guides thee is ac­customed to it; And in page 19, thou sayes, we have a spirit of delusion (that is thy 34th lie) comming from Hell and darkness; but cannot prove it; yet that spirit by which thou art taught, of old Antichrist to delude, which hath caused thee to utter these lies, is such a one; and there­fore what thou art guilty of, thou would cast upon us; but we deny thy spirit of delusion and lies, and testifie against it and thee, and such hellish darknesse as thou art possessed withall, that regards not what falsely against us and the [Page 20] truth thou ventest but it toucheth us not; and therefore turnes back upon thee againe and is to be cast into the bot­tomless pit from whence it came.

Lie the 35] that spits out such venome against the ordi­nances of Jesus Christ: that is thy own, and turnes back up­on thee againe, for Christ Jesus and his ordinances and worship in Spirit, and spiritualI ordination, we honour and own; but spitting of venom comes out of thy brest, take it into thy old bottle, from whence it came.

And for thy 6th thing or head, is another of thy lies, and makes thy number 36] such words as are there set downe, was not set downe in my booke, which thou pretends to write this in answer unto, therefore the absurdities spoken of and also the lies, is turned back upon thee againe, pag. 20. 21. For the Scriptures I own, and that holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost: 2 Pet. 20.21. but liers like thee I deny and against testifie, Eph. 5.11. and the Scriptures serves to be a witnesse against such as professe them in words and walke contrary to them in life and conversation, but liers slanderers and false accusers doe so, as thou & Haggar and Griffith and such like doth; and therefore the Scriptures doth witnesse against you, and your generation and seed of evill doers; And such hath the be­nefit and comfort of the Scriptures, as are guided by the ho­ly Spirit into the life and power from whence good Scrip­ture words proceeded, yet the letter is not the life, Joh. 5.39.40. and power of God to salvation, but Christ and the Gospel is, which the letter or Scriptures declares and te­stifies of: Joh. 14.6. 1 Joh. 5.12: Act. 4.12. Hebr. 5.8,9. Rom. 1.16.

But thou seems as if thou would have a letter God, a letter Christ, a letter Spirit, and a letter power to salvation, or set the letter (or Scripture) up as God and Christ and power of God to salvation, for thou saies faith comes by hearing (the Scriptures preached) which thou calls the Gospel; and if by it, thou saies, then not without it: and so accor­ding to that, no Scripture, no faith, no salvation: for with­out faith it is impossible to please God (and be saved) but according tothy saying or false doctrine; no Scripture [Page 21] no faith; and so making Scripture the moving cause of mens salvation: for if there can be no saith without the Scripture, then Christ might not be the author of it, neither upon that account could he give faith if the Scripture were wanting, and if there an be no faith without the Scripture , thou would not have Christ to be the author and finisher of it, but the letter, and so sets the Scripture in the roome of Christ, saying, take away the Scripture, which thou calls the cause, and then the effect thou saies ceaseth: so, no Scripture, no savtation upon thy account, as much as to say the Scripture is the cause of mans salvation, (and not Christ) and rake away the Scripture, the cause and the effect ceaseth; mind your Error or Lies herein Christ cannot give faith nor save without them, and by that meanes or according to that saying or false doctrin (of Haggars and thine, for he hath backed thee in it) no faith without the Scripture, though Christ be the way to faith and the moving cause of it; and so both the beginning and ending, or author and finisher of it, as the Scripture saith, and saith Christ, without mee you can do nothing, then not beleive without him, for he is the way to the Father: Joh. 14.6. and so to faith who is both the author and finisher of it: Hebr. 12.2, and here thou hast shewed thy ignorance of the Gospel, and moving cause of faith and salvation, and thou hast contradicted the Scriptures and preferred them before Christ; and with­out them thou would have no salvation, and so would not have Christ to be (a perfect Saviour without them nor to be) perfectly able to save to the uttermost, all those that come unto God by him, though he be as the Scripture wit­nesseth Hebr 7.27. neither is there any salvation, with­out him, Act. 4.12. and as he is the author of faith so he is the author of eternall salvation to all that obey him, Hebr. 5.8.9. And thou saies, to destroy the ordinances of preaching the Scriptures (for that is thy drift) by which faith comes, must needs tend to destroy faith, thou saies, and then please God who can? That is thy saying, but thy designe (instead of these men) is weighed, that goes about to give the Scripture all the preheminence, and set it up as God and Christ, and no salvation without it, but thou art con­tradicted [Page 22] by it, who saith also that the Scripture brings to Christ: then it must needs be the ground and cause of faith and salvation if so: but thou hast therein erred, and lied, of Christ and the Scriptures in that thy 37th lie] for Christ and the Scriptures will both contradict thee in thy lies and errours, for Christ brings to understand the Scrip­tures: Luke 14.32: and saith, without mee ye can do nothing: then he is the ground of faith, and knowing God, who giveth an understanding to know him that is true, &c. as the Scripture witnesseth: 1 Joh. .20; and the Spirit revealeth even the deep things of God: but thou saies if they can once bring a poore soul into this condition to dis­owne the Scriptures, when he stands most in need of it, to bring him to Christ, and shew him how he ought to walk so as to please God, &c: Here thou hast confirmed thy former saying and strengthened thy deceipt with thy lies, and set the letter of the Scripture, in the roome of the Spirit, for the Spirit doth guide into all truth, Joh. 14.16. Joh. 16.13. and shew things to come, and so how to walke to please God, for they that are guided by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God: Rom. 8.14. &c. and walke in the Spirit, whereby they please God Rom. 8.1. for God hath sent the Spirit of his Son, into the hearts of his Children, Gal. 4.6. to teach and guide them, 1 Joh. 3.1. Rom. 8: and shew them how to walk to please him: Gal. 5.22.23.24. &c: which Spirit of God and his teachings thou hast shew­ed thy ignorance [in, and] of, now as well as before, that said the letter (which thou calledst the written word) and the Spirit were inseparable, and said the scripture were a Histo­ry; and that book which thy lies hath not weakened, stands still with this to witnesse against thee and thy deceipt, and such as thou art.

the 37. Error or LieThe Scripture thou saies is a perfect rule to walke by: that confirmes thy other lies also, page 22. Here thou contradicts the promise and doctrine of Christ: Joh. 14.15.16,17. who promised and gave his Spirit to be a perfect rule to walk by and guide into all truth, Joh, 16,13, Gal. 4.6. Rom. 8. and here thou hast manifested another errour, or thy 37 lie]

[Page 23] Againe thou saies, the Scriptures is the guide into the way of truth and peace, & so hath put the letter to guide instead of the Spirit, which Spirit Christ calls a guide, to guide into all truth: John 16.13. and so into the way of truth & peace, Joh. 14.20.26. & here thou hast lied of Christ & the Spirit which is the true guide, & hath set the letter of the Scrip­tures to guide into the way of truth & peace: but they have not guided thee out of errour, lying and deceipt, nor into the way of truth & peace that art charged here, with thy 37. or 38 lies] besides what followeth after: & therefore thy Spirit is tried & knowne to be the Spirit of errour; who hath made lies thy refuge, which thou art found in, & so out of the way of truth & peace; And where thou saies thou hast given them his principles, thou might have said, thou hast laid them downe thy own errours, to wit the lies & slanders, which I have left charged upon thee in severall particulers.

And where thou seemes to be offended, because I said that thou came on purpose to the meeting at Harleston to ca­vill: that thou did, as thy fruits and lies made thee mani­fest, and many may witnesse the same.

Secondly, thou saies, I say thou told of a visible Church in the world: that is not denied but witnessed unto as it stands in my book.

Thirdly, thou saies, I say in my book that thou said the let­ter &c the Spirit was inseparable. And that the officers & o­verseers in that Church which Christ had purchased with his blood, were made by the holy Ghost; I do not deny, but witnesse unto: Act. 20.28 & thy shuffles, doth not prove what thou would compasse by thy reason, to have a temporall or carnal Church & temporal, or carnall officers therein for that which is seen is temporal, but that which is not seene is e­ternal & they looked not carnally at things which were visi­ble and seene, as thou dost, as they do witnesse, 2 Cor. 4.17 18. who said, For our light affliction which is but for a mo­ment, worketh for us, a far more exceeding and eternall weight of glory, while we look not at the things which are visible, or seene, but at the things which are invisible and not seene: and 2 Cor. 4.17. and 18: for we walke by [Page 24] faith and not by outward and visible sight in the things of the Spirit of God, &c: 1 Cor. 5.7, which are spiritually enjoyed, and the holy Ghost who is invisible dwelleth within; Joh. 14.17. and is invisible where the world seeth him not, to guide into all truth, such as obey and follow the same, and though Paul and the rest (as to the outward) were visible men, yet their knowledge were not after the flesh as thine is, neither did they looke carnally at the things of God as thou dost, who argues so carnally, for they knew no man after the flesh, 2 Cor. 5.16.17. and as their knowledge stood in the Spirit and spirituall things a­bout the worship of God, ( Joh. 4.23) Phi. 3.3. in the Spirit, so their offices were in the Spirit & overseers made by the holy Ghost, and they preached by the Spirit Act. 2.4. and 2 Cor. 3.6. and prayed with the Spirit, 1 Cor. 14.15 and went forth to preach by the Spirit, in the power of the holy Ghost, Acts 1.8. Act. 2.4. Act. 6.10, Acts 7.54.55. Acts 6.3. and Act. 13.4. Gal. 1.11.12. and 15 16: and the Spirit had the rule and government, in the Church: and the spirituall man, but not the natural, because the things of the Spirit of God are & were spiritually discerned & reveiled, 1 Cor. 2.10. and where thou saies Farnsworth, follie is disco­vered in thy 24 page, instead of his it is thine, that art so ignorant of the worke of the spirit, and the hidden man of the heart, and knowes not the office of the holy Ghost, that would ascribe his worke to the outward man, when such as were endued with it, said that though their out­ward man did decay, yet their inward man were renewed day by day, and as the worship of God stood in the spirit, so the offices & government in the Church were by the Spi­rit & spirituall, and he that was spiritual Judged all things, 1 Cor. 12.15. and not he that was naturall and carnall as thou art, and would have it, who wants salt to savour withall, and therefore art good for nothing but to be cast out and troden under, &c: And that saying shall stand thy selfe: where thou calls me a Child of the Devill, in pag. 24] who thy selfe art the lier in such a measure, and so of [Page 26] thy Father the Devill: Joh. 8.44. and thou continues dou­bling thy lies, saying, I should say all ordinances ceased when Christ ascended: that is but one of thy former lies re­newed over, who may see plainly (as thou saies) from whence thou art sent, and whose errand thou art going on, not of Christs; who art such a lier, &c: but of Anti­christs: and it is plaine that thou art of thy Father the De­vill, who was a lier from the beginning, and he hath taught thee thy gradations in his Antichristian schoole, and made thee his Nuntio, or publisher of lies, and in ly­ing he hath taught thee to be cunning and deceiptfull in the worke of that sort, as thy book of lies errours and stan­ders maketh it appeare.

Thou demands of mee, where ever any of the words of Christ, or his Apostles are called letter, and to answer thy own demand by thy busie minde, and shew thy follie or self confutation in the same, page 25] where thou speaks of the sufficiency of the Ministers of Christ in the new Co­venant, thou saies God made them able Ministers of the same covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit: there is thy own answer, and words called letter by Christs Apo­stles: 2 Cor. 3.6. which serves for thy confutation, and saith Paul, an Apostle of Christ, to the Galatians, Ye see how large a letter, I have written unto you: &c. Gal. 6.11.

And what are writings but letters? Paul wrote to the Corinthians, but not without letters: 1 Cor. 5.9. and 11. and John wrote not a new commandement; when he wrote with Paper and Inke, such a letter; 2 Epistle of John, 5. and 12 verses, and the writings are Printed and set downe in letters: but that the foole must needs utter his follie, in that foolish demand which a wise man would not have done, but it is good that presumptious proud fooles utter their follie and the deceipt of their heart, that others who truly feares God may learne to be wise least they do, as in this filthy standerous book, Thomas Pollard and Hen­ry Hagger hath done.

And where thou saies page 25] thou art sure if Paul and the other Apostles were alive, you would call them Pha­rises, &c.

[Page 27] But in that, thy assurance is false and thy imaginations hath misinformed thy mind, and taught thee to lie and speake falsly, in that as well as the rest: to manifest thy number or 41th lie] in thy book of slanders.

And in thy 26 page] Thou utters more of thy lies saying we reject the holy Commandement and ordinances of Christ; (because we submit not to your will worship) but the holy Commandements and ordinances of Christ we do not refuse nor reject who are subject to his power, and o­bey his commands, and the truth through the spirit, where­by our souls comes to be purified, as such, that were subjects to Christ, was, 1 Pet. 1.23.23. therefore the slander shall stand for thy selfe, which is thy 42 lie] And where thou saies, O you scorners how long will ye delight in scorning, to call the holy scriptures deaa letter, and carnall as you doe: but scorning and delighting in it, that we deny, and therefore thou hast added thy 43 lie] And the Scriptures calls themselves, letter, and speaks of a carnall Comman­dement, and if thou be offended at that, thou seemes to be offended at the penmen and writers of them for calling them so in their writings: Gal. 6.11. 2 Cor. 3.6. who serv­ed not in the oldnesse of the letter, but in the newnesse of the Spirit, Rom. 7.6. Rom. 2.29. in the new Covenant, which Christ did establish Heb. 10.9. who was made the Saints high Priest, not after the law of a carnall comman­dement, but after the power of an endless life: Hebrew 7.16.

And in thy 44 lie] thou saies we speake reproach fully against the Gospel of Christ: but all such as obey the Gos­pel of Christ, which is to them the power of God to salva­tion, Rom. 1.16. and are sufferers for it, such do nor re­proach it, but are reproached as we are by thee and such like, as the Saints were, but we are called, not only to be­leive but also to suffer, for his namessake, Philip 1.29. which is our joy in that he hath counted us worthy: And where thou saies that I said, thou called the Bible a Historie, so thou did as many can witnesse, and how thou would put it off with a lie, saying thou said, what will you call it, a Histo­rie [Page 28] Historie? when thou did not so say, except it were after, and there thou hast told thy 45 lie)

And then thou saies, if there be a mysterie in the Scrip­ture, there must be a History, and thou goes about to prove a mystery and so a History, to uphold thy deceipt with­all; but thy covers are too narrow for thee, they wil not hide thee, but leaves thee bare: for when thou hast laboured to prove a mystery, in thy conclusion thou findes it in man, for thou saies, great is the mystery of godlinesse Christ in you the hope of glory, citing Col, 1.27: then Christ in man is the mystery, and man is the History in which he is kept according to thy saying, take notice of that: but yet thou art left with thy saying, and hath not yet cleared thy selfe with thy shuffle, but goes on in lying, saying, deare freinds, these men destroyes not the ordinances of Christ only, but Gospel order also. But Gospel order we own, and honour the ordinances of Jesus Christ in our souls, and they are kept by that power that preserves them for being destroy­ed, and therefore thou hast in thy slanders told other 2 lies which makes thy number amount to the summe of 47 lies) to and in thy 27 page)

And where thou art speaking of Christs coming to John to be Baptised of him, saying it became them to fulfill all righteousnesse, &c. If John and Christ fulfilled all righte­ousness in that administration and dispensation, what was there left behinde for you to fulfill in it? But passing by that, I come to thy 48 lie) page the 29. passing by many in the 28 page, saying we go about, to destroy order, and that we will not come into the propheticall office, &c: but these and the rest of thy lies proceeds from the same spirit of thy Father, John. 8.44. who saies thou dare be bold to say we are Ministers of Antichrist, &c: so art thou bold to go on in lies as thou hast done, being led by a lying spi­rit, as the Jews were bold to call the master of the house Belzebub, but it was not so, because a lying spirit led them to say so, neither are we so (as thou saies) because thou li­er that hath uttered so many lies art by a lying spirit led to say so, and hath no proofe for the same, but instead of prov­ing [Page 29] proving what thou hast falsly affirmed, thou goes on boldly to lie, without proofe still, saying, without question if Peter were now alive, you would say he were an hypocrite, and one that rested in the letter: but in that (as well as the rest) thy imaginations, hath taught thee lie without question; and so added one more to thy number of lies] And Peter when he went to preach to the Gentiles did not rest in the letter, for the Spirit bad him go, and gave him commission which thou art a stranger unto, and continues in lying, which both the letter and the Spirit forbids, if thou had any regard unto either thou would not do as thou do­est and herein hast done, but the lying Spirit hath pos­sessed thee and thou art without a bit or bridle for thy tongue, and so thy religion must needs be vaine; And (be­ing given over to lie) thou asketh where our pittie and ten­dernesse is, towards any that are not (as thou saies) black­mouthed as you are, to raile against the Scriptures and ordinances as you do, page 29. That stands for thy selfe where thou hast added 2 lies more which makes thy num­ber 49. lies] which is by us denied and against testified, be­cause we can have no fellowship with the unfruitfull works of darknesse but rather reprove them: Eph. 5.11.; And to that, where thou saies thou art slandered, in saying that Christ had not judgment committed to him whilst he were on the earth, that was so spoken and also pleaded for by thee, as many can witnesse, and therefore no slander is cast upon thee, but the same that came from thee in that, which is left upon thee the slanderer, there to re­maine; who would be unburdened, but thy burden thou must beare, that would cast it off, but cannot: and there is added thy 50th lie]

And the 51 is in page the 32] which shall stand for your selves that make it your worke to slander, falsly accuse and so to lie, who (as thou saies) make it (instead of theirs) your worke to draw away souls from the word and ordi­nance of Christ, (in the Spirit, &c) but what will you do at that day (as thou saies) when he comes to render ven­gance upon the ungodly, and all liers fals accusers and [Page 30] such like that obey not his Gospel, who still continues in thy lying, saying we say we are past the eternall judgment, and justifie our selves, but cannot prove it, and selfe justifi­cation we deny and own the eternall judgment, as such did Hebr. 6. but saying we are past; it, that is a wicked lie, whereby the lying Spirit hath taught thee to add 2 more, which makes up thy number 53]

And where thou saies my ignorance is seene, in judging all without making a difference, (which I doe not) and that is thy follie and ignorance, to speake so rashly and un­advisedly, and cannot prove thy saying, therefore thou art left charged with the 54 lie]

And where thou saies, thou gives all men to understand that thou ownest not the word of God for thy rule, that shall stand for thee, for liers and false-accusers must needs, disown the word of God for their rule, because it testi­fies against them and judgeth them, but thou art a lier &c fals-accuser, and charged here with 55 lies] besides what followeth and therefore the word of God is not thy rule, to guide into such deceipt, but with it thou art reproved, and with the light of God and his word, art thou lier and fals-accuser judged and to be condemned, and in that saying of thine and denying the word of God for thy rule in con­demning all that follow the ordinances or Christ, equally with those that observe traditions of men in the worship of God, as Pope, prelate, and other sprinklers do, I set thy lie aside and turne it into the number of thy 56 lies] and Pope, prelate, and the sprinklers shall stand for thy selfe, that art in the nature and deceipt of that wicked seed, as those are that denies ordinances of Christ in the Spirit, and ob­serve traditions, &c: take notice of that, whose lying Spi­rit hath led thee to utter thy folly and lay open the wicked­nesse of thy heart, in venting so many of thy mischeivous lies and envious slanders, which are turned back upon thee againe, for here is no roome for them with us: truth casts them out, because it delighteth to be kept pure and cleare.

And where thou saies, thou shalt answer breifly to that [Page 31] saying of Paul, Christ sent me not to Baptise but to preach: the weight of thy answer is in thy 2 argument, where thou saies, it Paul was fit to be imployed in the greater then I am sure this lesser is required. But Paul was imployed in the greater, that is to say to preach the Gospel, then Baptism which is the lesser is of him required: that is thy answer and proofe, which stands upon thy own witnesse, where thou saies, thou art sure of it, but doth not prove it by that: for if I argue in the contrary it, will overturne that, if such as (are and) were not sent by Christ for to Baptise with outward water, were (and are) not by Christ requir­ed so to do, then they that are not sent by Christ for to Bap­tise with outward water, are not required so to do; but Paul was not sent by Christ for to baptise with outward wa­ter, or required so to do: & where is thy selfassurance, once? For Paul hath confessed and said, that Christ sent him not (then required him not) to baptise; but to preach: 1 Cor. 1.17.

But thy breife answer is not to the ground of the questi­on by me propounded, saying in my other book, where was Paul sent by commission to baptise, and why was there a necessity laid upon him for to preach, and not to baptise, seeing the care of the Church was committed to him, and he knew the whole counsell of God: 1 Cor. 9.16.17.18. 1 Cor. 1.17. Acts 20.28.29.

And where did he, in declareing the whole Counsell of God, preach up water baptism, as the dore by which all must enter; and the foundation upon which all must build, or else no Church fellowship, nor salvation without it? as some water-baptists (and they at Soylby) did ignorantly affirme; but could not prove their saying therein, and yet is to prove, and the question to answer in the ground and true meaning, which thou hast but made a poore shuffle in.

Error or Lies 58. 59 60.But to come on to turne thee thy lies back upon thee a­gaine in page, the 38. there is thy 58. 59. and 60 lies] where thou saies, as the Pharisees were without mercy, so are you: but thy testimony is false therein, and where thou [Page 32] saies, you look for justification by the law, and by follow­ing the imaginations of an evill heart in you.

And thy 60 lie] is where thou saies, you are now through unbeleife departed from the pure way of the Lord; those lies shall stand for thy selfe, for the pure way of the Lord, which is Christ the true light, we are not departed from, but walke in, Joh. 1.9. Joh. 14.6. Joh. 8.12: And such as say we are departed from the pure way, when we walk in it, they must needs be guided by a lying and an erring Spi­rits, as thou art: and as we walke and so abide in him, he keepeth us, and teacheth us also to shew mercy to the ob­jects of it, and being mercifull, we obtaine mercy and are blessed, as to such Christ in his doctrine hath said, Mat. 5. vers the 7th] but we are taught also to reprove the deceipt and to have no fellowship with the unfruitfull works of darkness, Eph. 5,11. at which thou and the Serpents seed are offended, as they were at Christ our example [in mercy and way to the Father] who called them a generation of vipers, and said, how shall you escape the damnation of hell Mat. 23.33] And he who is our peace and way to the Fa­ther [to wit, Christ Jesus] is our justification, and sanctifica­tion also, for by his blood are we justified and by his life are we saved ( Rom. 5.8.9.10,11. 1 Cor. 1.30) and not as thou falsly saies: therefore thou art left charged with those three lies that I have here answered, which makes thy number 60)

And being given over to lie, thou art doubling or treb­ling them, where thou art slandering and accuseing us falsly, for thou saies; As the Pharisees boasted more of themselves, then any other people (that shall stand for your selves, that stick in the shadows, as they did after the substance was come) but thou saies, so are these men boast­ing of perfection; But, boasting we deny: yet we wit­nesse to the truth as before is said, and therefore thou art here charged with another lie, so making thy number 61) and thou saies, we boast of perfection, as the book declares: but the book doth not say or declare that we boast of per­fection, [Page 33] perfection, and therefore thou hast belied the book as the wise hearted may see, and that shall stand for thy 62 lie)

And going on to lie, (making it thy work so to do) thou saies they make it their whole work to overthrow the rule of the Scripture, and all the ordinances thereof; but we do not as thou saies, and therefore thou art left charged with other 2 lies which makes thy number 64) The Rule or ground of the Scriptures, is that from which they did proceed; but the holy Scriptures and ordinances thereof, proceeded from God and his Spirit, and to say that God and his Spirit, and so the rule of the Scriptures, &c: can be overthrowne, that is absurdity (or meere blasphemy) and we do not seek to do it, neither is it any part of our worke to do as thou saies, therefore take notice, and be for ever ashamed of such thy absurdities (or blasphemy) and lies, that makes it thy businesse to lie and-goes on in it; saying, they throw aside all the Laws and Ordinances of the Lord Jesus, that is but to fill up thy number of lies and makes it amount to 66) and many more which I passe by, which is not here mentioned, but these may serve to let thee see thy folly: and that others may see by what a lying and erring Spirit thou art guided and led, that makes it thy businesse to lie, and so to sin and serve thy Father the De­vill, Joh. 8.44. Rom. 6.16. and see thy portion for thy Fa­thers worke: and remember that liers are for the lake, Rev. 21.8. And where thou would raise severall lies upon mee, from what is written in the beginning of my book, a­bout the worships of God, &c: it is but as the rest of thy lies and deceitfull worke, and therefore lies having no force in them to weaken the truth, the book shall and doth cleare it selie of thee: And this shall be a witnesse or fur­ther testimony against thy lying refuge, which truth sweeps away, or turnes back upon thee and thy partakers againe: and keeps it selfe pure and cleane, so for to re­maine.

Take notice of another trick which the deceipt and that lying Spirit hath taught thee, where thou art speaking a­gainst the plaine and proper language (of thee and thou) [Page 34] which thou saies is a proper language to any single person, and afterwards saith it is not binding or to be performed. If the wicked used it as well as the godly, in former ages, what a poore shift is that, for thou saies if in all ages we finde the Lords people useing this terme (and proper lan­guage of thee and thou to a single person, &c.) and they only useing of it, then (thou saies) it is granted that you err, in that thing (if you do it not): but if the worst of men used it as well as the best of men, then it is not binding, or to be performed, thou saies.

As much as to say; though truth be truth, and right and proper, and ought to be obeyed and walked in, yet be­cause wicked men and enemies to it profess it, as well as the godly and upright (that in obedience to the Lord do practise it) then it is not binding and to be walked in, &c. Oh horible delusion!

And as much as to say, because the Devill and his disciples made use of the Scriptures (for their own ends) as well as the godly did, for the truths defence, yet according to thy argument they are not binding to be walked in, &c. be­cause the Devill and wicked men made use of them; as Christ and his disciples and the best of men did, &c: And so thou saies the terme thee and thou, is the proper (or true and right) speech to any single person, yet because the Devill and the worst of men used it, as Christ and the best of men did, therefore it is not binding, to be per­formed and practised (thou saies): oh, horible deceipt!

Though I passe by many of thy lies, yet I cannot but put thee in minde of some more of them, and turne them back upon thee againe, in page 29) first thou art Quering and saies Quisitively, is not your mercy and pittie, turned into bitternesse and hatred? &c: here thou shews thou knows not, but art quiering by thy darke minde into the things: then presently after in the same page thou adds 4 lies as thy proofe after thou haye fasly affirmed the same; which makes thy number of lies (70 or threescore and tenn) Thou in thy false affirmative, raised from thy dubious dark quisitive, saith that our mercy and pittie is turned into [Page 35] hatred and bitternesse, that is one lie] and as appears by your words calling the Church of Christ, Antichrist, that is a third lie & calling Saints deceivers, that is two lies] and thirdly your calling the Gospel letter, that is a fourth lie] and calling thy Ordinances Carnall, that is thy fifth lie) which encreaseth thy number, to one more: here thou brings four lies to back thy false affirmative from thy dubi­ous dark qui [...]tive before mentioned, and so thou all along hath made lies thy refuge, as in this book appeareth: but where thou hast out of dubiousnesse and darknesse asked the question in saying, is not your mercy, &c: turned in­to bitternesse towards all men, &c: instead of letting us have answered therein, thou affirmes falsly in thy slander, or answer to thy selfe: saying your mercy is turned into bitternesse &c: and thy proofe for the same is four lies as aforesaid; But we call not the Church of Christ Antichrist as thou hast said, for we call it the body of which Christ is head as the Scripture witnesseth: Eph, 1.22.23: and therefore that lie turnes of from us and back upon you a­gaine: secondly we call not Saints deceivers, but we call them the beloved of God: 1 Joh. 3.1. and the freinds and brethren of Christ; as the Scripture witnesseth even the faithfull in Christ Jesus: Eph. 1. Colos. 1. Joh. 17.16.17, Joh. 15.15: and Hebrew 2.11] Thirdly we call not the Gos­pel letter; but we call it glad tidings: and also the po­wer of God to salvation as the Scripture witnesseth, Rom. 1.15.16: and fourthly, we call not the ordinances of Christ carnall, but spirituall; therefore Hagger and Pollard, and such deceivers, your lies are turned back upon you againe and they shall stand for your selves and such as you are, and being turned back into the liers generation: that they may there remaine and tarrie with you and the Serpents seed from whence they came, and so your lies doth not prove our mercy and pittie, to be turned into hatred and bitter­nesse, for hatred and bitternesse we do deny, but mercy and pittie we own, and therefore the hatred and bitterness shall stand for your selves, and liers such as you are; and where thou saies, so by your words, page the 39. we may easily see what your hearts be full of instead of mercy, ma­lice, [Page 36] that stands for your selves and makes your number of lies 71] and instead of pittie perse­cution, that is 72] and that also stands upon you, for in­stead of persecuting, we are (for our love and faithfullnesse to the Lord Jesus) by such as you persecuted, and therefore malice and persecution turnes off from us, and runs into your ground, and into the Serpents seate where it is found; And where thou tells of persecuting with the tongue, say­ing it is a weapon that strikes deepe; that shall stand for thee Pollard, and Hagger, and for liers and fals-accusers like you, who bend your tongues like your bowes for lies, to shoot your slanders and arrowes of reproaches, at the innocent, and Children of light (which you in scorne call Quakers) and such hands thou saies thou shalt suspect would per [...]ecute with weapons as thy words implies, page 39] if they had power, out that slander turnes off from us, take it in againe, and keepe it with thee whose heart is seene (and as thou saies) [...]led with malice, but there is thy de­ceipt hatched and brought forth out of thy malicious heart, and thy ground of judgment, is false suspicion, who hast made a lie thy proofe and grounded it upon deceipt, there­by to manifest the malice and wickednesse of thy heart, and thy judgment: and slanders being false, turnes back upon thee againe, from whence they came, with the rest of thy lies, which I do not here name, but those that searches thy book and Haggens may meet with the same, therefore passing by much of thy filthinesse and deceipt that: it may remaine from whence it came, I shall come on after a while to Henry Haggers considerations and Queries, or rather lies, fals-accusations, and wicked slanders, and I shall speake somthing in answer to them.

HEnry Hagger, that pretends his Queries to search and try Spirits, and shews his deceipt­fullnesse, and forwardnesse therein, before he had propounded them, he might have an­swered us those that Pollard hath left: unanswered, and al­so the Queries that we sent to the baptised people, at Lough-borrow side, Earlshilton, and Coventry side, to his Brethren there which they never yet sent us an answer of; though we answered theirs, by or from Fairbrother, that were sent unto us, that so by the answer to them, and those sent in the end of the book to Coventry side, his Spi­rit might have beene a little more manifest and tryed, as theirs was that subscribed their late act, with the names of six or seven Elders and brethren in that Coventry law, [Page 38] in which the baptised people said that they denied any to be Ministers of Christ, that preached from an internall light, &c: and so denied the Ministers and ministry of Christ in the new Covenant therein, and shut themselves out as in the answer I shewed them, & there errour therein.

And secondly, in that late Coventry law, the baptized people there said that they denied any to be members of Christ, that either went themselves or suffered others to goe heare them that preached from internall light, &c: and so shewed their darknesse and Crossed the Scriptures and ministry of the new Covenant therein: but that was in the same book answered, wherein their Spirit was tried, who in that Coventry act did also, deny liberty in the Churches for any to object in the time of preaching or af­ter, &c.

And they said also that the secrets of all hearts should be judged at the latter day by the written word, or the let­ter of the Scripture; so taking the ministry and judgment, from Christ and the Spirit to put upon it the Scripture: but therein their weaknesse and errour was seene, and their spirit was tried; and the written book in answer to those particulers will manifest the same; as did and doth to their shame, in so much that some of them denied or were a­shamed; of what therein by them was done though he had subscribed it as the rest did, with his own name: and the Queries about that and the rest, were never answered and sent yet unto us, to manifest the more what therein they had done or brought forth by them. And seeing they have not answered them, let Henry Hagger aske for them all, and returne us an answer if he please: But however, Godwilling, I shall to stop his boasting returne in short an answer to his, onely spareing the labour of setting most of his downe, but those that would compare the answers and Queries may take his book and see them, and in this see an answer to them: for the boaster Henry Hagger, in his proud chal­lenge, faith thus much by Henry Hagger and as he saies a setvant of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the congregations of the Saints, which a desire of an answer, by any who will [Page 39] or can. But this I say, that lyers, slanderers and false accu­sers, and such as joynes and partakes with them, helping Antichrist to carry on his designe in such an evill work of falshood and deceipt, and by a number of lies, (70. and odd) makes opposition against the truth; they are no Servants of Jesus; for he doth not imploy his in such an evil work, neither are they sanctified, and so of the Congregation of Saints, but enemies to them, and the work of sanctificati­on, &c. Yet such a one is Henry Haggar, who hath joyned himself with Pollard, and backed his number of lies, slan­ders, & false accusations; and therefore he is no Servant of Christ, but of Antichrist; and the Congregations of Saints (are ashamed of him, and denies him and Pollard, and) al­so denies the workes of their hands proceeded from their evil hearts, which long hath lien hid; but now is brought to light, which manifests their Antichristian spirit, in their book of slanders, with the number of lies, as it doth ap­pear, and is left to the view, that others may thereby take warning and feare.

And further, it is considered and known, that false A­postles were, and are deceitful workers in that work of in­iquity, &c. so are lyars, slanderers, and false accusers, &c. But such are Thomas Pollard, and Henry Hagger, and de­ceitful workers, &c. as it is manifest by their book of lies and wicked deceitful mischievous slanders: therefore they are false Apostles, that so acts Antichrists part under a re­fined subtlety, and are such false accusers, and deceitful workers, 1 Cor. 11.13. &c. Rom. 1.29. &c. 2 Thes. 2.7 &c.

2. Consideration; I answer, that it is considered and known, that the false Prophets that come to deceive did as you do, preach the words of others, and say, thus faith the Lord, when he never spoke to them, Jer. 23. and they preached the Letter as you do, and their brain imaginati­ons: but knew not the spirit and word that were as a fire and a hammer, Jer. 23.29. &c. which were within in the true Prophets, and were as a fire in the bones, Jer. 20.9. which words within, you being ignorant of, you preach the [Page 40] Letter of the Scripture, and others words, with your brain Imaginations added thereunto, and are not guided by the same spirit from which it did proceed, as your lies maketh it manifest: and therefore you ate like the false Prophets also, that as thou sayes, pretended to come in the name of the Lord to preach their lies, as you have done yours; and therefore in that you are considered, and known to be as the false Prophets were, that said, thus saith the Lord, when he never spoke to them.

And as John Griffith in that Book, called the Gospel-faith, collected into 30 Articles, and subscribed with the names of Thomas Lover, John Foxwell, John Parret, Francis Smith, John Griffith, who in that Book called (the Baptized Belie­vers Faith, or) a Voice from the word of the Lord &c. hath taken upon him to prophesie lies in the name of the Lord; and the ground of his Prophecy is from the imaginations and corruptions of his own heart, who speaks from that, and from the Letter, and the words of others, and not from the voice of the Lord unto him; and where did any of the true Prophets take upon them to go and prophecy to a people from anothers writings, when they were not called by the Lord, and sent so to say by his spirit and word within; for they spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost, and that was from the spirit and word within, 2 Pet. 1.21. and the spirit of Christ was within them. 1 Pet. 1.11. and they were not sent by a printed Book to preach and prophecy; but by the Lord God and his spirit, Isay 48.16.17. and therefore they spoke and prophecyed truly, that were so taught, called and sent by the Lord God, and his spirit moving in them; but the false Prophets took the words of others without them, and spoke from them a di­vination of their own brain, as John Griffith hath done: and spoke not from the word and voice of the Lord God, and his spirit within; and therefore they prophesied lies in the name of the Lord, and were reproved for it, &c. as this John Griffith the false Prophet is: that speaks the brain ima­ginations and divinations of his own heart, from others words, and not from the mouth of the Lord, as the false [Page 41] Prophets did; and therefore the said John Griffith is a false Prophet as such was, which the Lord was against: therefore he is against him that hath prophesied lies in his name as they did, Jer. 23.21. & 30. 31, 32. verses.

The beginning of John Griffith's false Prophecy, where he prophesieth lies in the name of the Lord; saying, thus saith the Lord to thee, Oh Quaker, thou art fleshly minded: John Griffith, that is thy lying spirit that hath told thee so; and thou that pretends to speak so from the Scriptures without thee, and calls thy saying a word from the voice of the Lord: I charge thee in the presence of the Lord, to shew that Scripture, that faith, O Quaker, thou art fleshly minded; or else I charge thee here to be a lier, both of the Scripture, and of the Lord; for such as walk in obedience to the word and spirit of the Lord, are not fleshly and car­nally, but spiritually and peaceably minded, Rom. 8.6. Phil. 2.5. 1 Cor. 2.15.16. But they that walk in obedience to the word and spirit of the Lord, and are born again, not of cor­ruptible seed, but incorruptible by the word of God which liveth and abideth for ever, 1 Pet. 1.22.23. and are in Cove­nant with God, though reproached (by the name of Qua­kers, &c.) 1 Pet. 4.14. for the name of Christ, &c. are spi­ritually and peaceably minded, and not as John Griffith hath said: therefore he hath taken upon him to prophesie or publish a lie in the name of the Lord; And the said John Griffith in his second lie and false Prophesie page 2. saith, Oh fleshly minded men, whom the God of this world hath blinded, that is a third lie, because you believe not, that is a fourth lie; for such as walk in the light of the Gospel, 2 Cor. 4.4,5,6,7. and are born of God, and in the faith which purifies the heart, and overcomes the world, as such was, Act 15.9.1 John 5.4.5. &c. they ate not as John Grif­fith falsely saith; and these Scriptures and the faith and birth spoken of in them, and the light we also own, who walk in it, and are not as John Griffith saith: therefore he hath prophesied or spoken other three lies, and more al­so in the name of the Lord, and hath manifest thereby his [Page 42] false Prophecy: and himself to be a false Prophet, as it is considered of, and known.

And he goes on with his lies, and speaks them in pre­tence of the name of the Lord, saying (and saith falsely) thus saith the Lord, ye have said it is in vain to serve God, and what Profit is it that we have kept his Ordinances; &c. John Griffith, when didst thou hear us say so? here thou false Prophet, that art without proof for thy lies: I testifie unto thee from the witness for God, that the Lord never so said unto thee, nor sent thee to prophecy those lies in his name, neither didst thou ever hear us (and the righteous seed) say as thou falsely hath done; and there­fore thou art one that prophecies lies in pretence of the Lord, who never said, that he would fire root and branch of the righteous seed, though reproached by the name of ( Nazerens, or) Quakers, &c. as thou sayes; and so thy lies and false Prophecies hath laid thee open, and made thee manifest to be a false Prophet.

And we who fear the living God, and serve him, that keep his Ordinances, and walk humbly or mournfully be­fore him, do testifie against thy lies and false Prophecies, whom thou and the Serpents seed revilest and reproachest under the nick-name of Quakers; And since we knew God and his word, Oracle, Worship, and Ordinances, ne­ver said that it was in vain to serve him, and therefore thou hast added thy fifth lye.

Neither did we say, that are in Covenant with God, that it was in vain to keep his Ordinances, since they were delivered unto us: God is our witness, which wit­ness is greater than the witness of men. 1 John 5.9.10. &c. therefore in that thou hast prophecied falsely, and added thy sixth lye.)

Neither did we say, (nor ever declare it to thee) that it was in vain to walk humbly, or mournfully before the Lord, in that, as well as the other, God is our witness before whom we appeal; and to the truth of it his [...]pirit doth witness with ours that obey him, and walk humbly before him, Rom. 8.14,15,16. And therefore John Griffith, thy [Page 43] prophecy is false, and in that thou hast added thy seventh lye, in thy false Prophecy.

And therefore from the spirit of the Lord, in obedience to the word of the Lord: this do I declare and testifie, which shall stand a witness against thee and thy lying, and false Prophecy, wherein thou sayes, we are spiritually proud, when we are not; for that is by us denied as well as all other pride; and therefore in that thou hast prophecied falsely, and added thereunto thy eighth lye.

Wherein thou goes on in lying, saying, that we are proud Pharisees and Hypocrits, &c. but hath not so proved it: therefore thou hast added thy ninth lye.

Thou sayes that we boast of our light within; but boast­ing we deny, and all Pharisaicallism and Hypocrisie, and that is thy tenth lye.

Yet the light we own and follow, else we should deny Christ, who is the light of the world, that lighteth every man that commeth into the world, John 1.9. and such as follow him, as he hath said, are by the light led out of dark­ness into the light of life, as the Scripture declareth, which we witness with Col. 1.27. John 8.12.

Thou sayes in thy false Prophecy, that we neglect the weightier matters of the Law, that is thy eleventh lye.

And the Law it self: that is thy twelveth lye, p. 3. For righ­teousness, mercy, and true judgement, &c. is the weighty matters of the Law; for he hath shewed it unto us, and therefore walking humbly before him, and doing justly, lo­ving mercy, &c. Mica 6.8. we do not neglect: neither the weightier matters of the Law, nor the Law it self, Rom. 8. for the righreousness of the Law is fulfilled in us, that walk not after darkness and the flesh; but after the spirit and spi­ritual light, and Law within, which doth condemn unrigh­teousness and sin, Rom. 8.2,3,4. as the Scripture witnes­seth.

And thou sayes, amongst the rest of thy lies, that the Scriptures is the Rule of faith and conversation; when Christ and his Spirit is both the way and guid into all truth, [Page 44] John 14.6. John 16.13. and so into faith, Heb. 12.2. and a holy Converstion; for without me, saith he, ye can do nothing, then not believe without him, and he is both the Authour and finisher of faith, that calleth also into an holy Conversation; for saith the Apostle, as he that hath call­ed you is holy, so be you holy in all manner of cōversation, 1 Pet. 1.13,14,15. Take notice of thy contradiction to Scripture, and thy error in that; who hath thereby added thy thirteenth lye.

Thou sayes, we erre, not knowing the Scriptures, nor power of God, that shall stand for thy selfe; which is also thy fourteenth lye.

For the Scriptures are they that testifie of Christ, and that we know, as they also witness of themselves, where Christ saith, search them; but he is the life, and ye will not come to him, that ye might have life, that are such enemies to him, like their example, that were lyars and false accu­sers, like you. And as the Scriptures testifie of Christ, John 5.39.40. so do they also testifie of the power of God unto salvation, Rom. 1.16. which power we know, and witness unto, and in, with the Scriptures, that testifie of it, and therefore thou John Griffith, hath told that fourteenth lie.

And thou sayes, we are they that perish, page 3. but such as are kept by the power of God, and are thereby sa­ved, do not perish; which power and salvation (by and in it) through the Lord Jesus we witness, and so do not perish, as thou falsely saith, and therefore thou art charged with that lie, which makes the number fifteen.

Thou sayes, that the Scriptures, without faith in Christ; (for thou leaves that out) is able to make a man wise to sal­vation, and to furnish him thoroughly to every good work, page 3. when it is Christ that doth it, and thou hast belied the Scriptures; for thou hast left out the chief and moving cause, to wit, Christ, and faith in him, and sayes, the Scrip­tures are able to do it: when the Apostle tells Tymothy, that the holy Scriptures were able to make him wise to sal­vation &c. Through faith in Christ Jesus, 2 Tim. 3.15,16,17. [Page 43] [...] [Page 44] [...] [Page 45] and he saith, that Christ is the giver, and so both the Au­thour and finisher of faith, Heb. 12.2. and the Apostle prayed, that the Colossians might be strengthened, and so furnished, according to the working of his glorious power, giving thanks unto the Father, which made them meet to be partakers of the Inheritance of the Saints in light; for they were compleat, and furnished in and by Christ, the head of all principality and power; for in him (and not in the letter of the Scripture) dwelleth all the fulness of the God-head bodily, Colos. 1.9.10,11,12. & 29. Col. 2.9.10. and here again take notice, how thou hast lied of the Scrip­ture, and shewed thy spirit of errour, in this thy sixteenth errour or lie.

Thou [...]aith, we are perverters of the word; but that is by us denied, and stands for thy self, who art a wrester, and so a perverter of the Scripture, which thou calls the word, and thou art there taken in thy own snare, where thou hast added thy seventeenth lie.

And after thou hast given the preheminence to the Scrip­ture, so taking it from Christ, and contradicting it therein, Col. 1.18. saying, the Scriptures are the rule of faith, (when Christ is the rule and Authour of faith, Heb. 12.2.) and saying, the Scriptures are both the rule of faith; and also, able to make the man of God wise to salvation, and furnish him throughly to every good work, page 3. (without Christ and faith in him, the moving cause, both of faith and salvation &c.) for thou hast left faith in Christ, and that, out; and so there in that page, thou hast been labouring to set the Scripture up in the room of Christ, and belied it al­so; and to confute and contradict thy selfe in thy confusi­on, and self-contradiction: that it may appear, thou hast made it manifest: except thou would make the Scriptures Christ; and Christ the Scriptures: and if thou would do so, that would be contradiction upon contradiction, and more make manifest thy self-confutation.

In page 12. where thou art writing or speaking to those thou calls Saints: thou therein saith, that Christ is Gods treasury; and if Christ be Gods treasury, then fulnesse is [Page 46] not in the letter, or Scripture, but in him; for in him thou also sayes, (to wit Christ) are hid the treasures of wis­dom and knowledge, if in him, then not in the Scriptures, except thou make the Scriptures Christ; and here thy own words serves to be thy own confutation, which is manifest in thy self-contradiction; for thou sayes, it hath pleased the Father, that in him should all fulness dwell, (to wit Christ) and if all fulness dwell in Christ, then not in the Scripture, take notice of that; and how doth it also crosse thy third page, where thou hast manifested thy errour.

And after thou hast confessed, and said, that all fulness dwells in Christ; thou sayes, where then shall we go for wisdom and knowledge, but to Christ? page 12.

If all fulness dwell in Christ, and there be no whereto go for true wisdom and knowledge, but to him: then it is he that furnisheth thorowly to every good work, and also makes wise to salvation; and then how doth it crosse thy other sayings, where thou sayes, the Scriptures are the rule of faith, and the Scriptures are able to make wise to salvation, and able to furnish thoroughly to every good work; and here thou hast contradicted all that; except thou would have the Scriptures to be Christ, and Christ to be the Scriptures; and then thou again contradicts that▪ for thou saith, life is in the Son; but the Scriptures is not the Son: therefore the life is not in them; for thou sayes, that Christ is the life of Saints, then the Scripture is not their life, because the Scripture is not the Son; and thou tells those thou calls Saints, if they forsake Christ, they for­sake the life, page 12. and then thou goes from the Son, and so from Christ to the letter; and therefore from the life, according to thy own saying in thy confusion, and contra­dicts those sayings of thy twelfth page, in page 13. For there again thou art run from Christ to the Letter, and saith, the Scriptures are able to make wise to salvation, and must be the rule in point of faith and conversation, and if they must be so, then by that necessity, thou would not have Christ to be so.

[Page 47] yea thou saies, the Scriptures they will furnish unto every good worke: And if they must do it, and will do it, then Christ must not, and doth not, except the Scriptures be Christ, and that is not so; for they do but testifie of him▪ Joh. 5.39.40: and thy 13 page doth crosse and contradict thy 12: and thy 12 page doth confute thy 3 page: there­fore after thou have prophecied many lies take notice how thou have run upon two rocks, even self contra­diction and selfe confutation, and here it is to be observ­ed that it is thee that errs, not knowing the Scripture and power of God, and not the Quakers, as in thy false Pro­phecie thou did affirme, and there thou hast even split thy selfe upon such Rocks; [even] selfe contraction, and selfe confutation-

Here take notice of your folly, and remember what you have done, for it is considered and knowne; That such as say they write and speake from the word of the Lord, and Prophecie falsly, and writes, and so speaks lies and selfe contradictions, must needs be false Prophets; But Iohn Griffith in that book, called, A Voice from the word of the Lord, he hath so done, therefore Iohn Griffith he is a false Prophet, as it is considered and knowne, as well as Thomas Pollard, and Henry Hanger, are false Apostles, as before is proved; And by their books of lies and slanders is further against them made manifest; Oh lier, thus saith the Lord, the lake is prepared for thee , and all liers take notice of that and read, Rev. 21.8: to witnesse here, with me in the same, and thither must the false Prophets and li­ers be cast as it is written, Rev. 22.15. and Rev. 21.8.27. Rev. 20.10. to be tormented day and night, &c: And thine Henry Hagger (as well as John Griffiths) is considered and you are found to be those, that refuse the light of Christ; and walks after the jmaginations of your own hearts, and not the light within, who dispise the light and word of the Lord, that are such liers and false accusers, doing such deceiptfull works and so are works of iniquity, (under a refined subtilty) which Christ saith he knows not, according to thy saying or third consideration and Math, 7.22.23.

[Page 48] And you are they that preach and publish lies, (as your number makes it manifest) and not the word of God , for it witnesseth against liers like you, who are such as those in thy 4th consideration, and the deceivers shall stand for your selves, that are such liers, and therefore deceivers as in thy 5th consideration.

And where thou in contempt to the light (and so to the truth) thou saies Paul did not commit th̄e to the light with­in th̄e, to the which I answer that lie did commit them to God, & he is light, 1 Joh. 1.5. & was within them, for greater was he that was in them, then he that was in the world, 1 Ioh. 4.4. 2 Cor. 6.16. and as God who was light, was within them, so was his word nigh them, for the word of faith and so of grace was within; in their hearts, Rom. 10.8. and 1 Joh. 2.14: And Paul commited them to God and the word of his grace, which was able to build them up, and give them an inheritance amongst them that were sanctified, even by the Spirit of their God, 1 Cor. 6.11. and that was also within them, Gal. 4.6. 1 Joh. 3.24. and therefore Paul did commit them to the power of God, and his light and word also within them, for saith he, the word is nigh thee, in thy heart, even the same word of faith, and so of grace, which we preach, and God hath said, that he will dwell in you and walke in you saith Paul to the Corinthi­ans, as in the Scriptures above mentioned; And saith Iohn in his Epistle to the freinds of God, let that, saith he, abide in you which ye have heard from the beginning, if that which ye have heard from the beginning, shall remaine in you, ye also shall continue in the Son and in the Father, 1 Joh. 2.24, and the light was in them: which thou so much despiseth, so was the holy unction, which thou shews thy selfe to be ignorant of: 1 Joh. 2.27: that art such an ene­my to the light as by thy book doth appeare, who art so blind in the things of the Spirit of God, as the Serpents seed ever were, that maketh lies thy refuge as they do & did.

To thy 6th, thou saies thou observes, that they, that pre­tend to walke by the light within them, were in the great­est darknesse, to the which I answer that they that did but [Page 49] pretend so to do, and did not, they were in darkness as thou art, but such saith Christ as follow me, and so the light in them, Colos. 1.27. they shall not walke in darknesse, but have the light of life, Joh. 8.12: and such as did, and now do obey, and so follow the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world, Joh. 1.9. they are led into the light of life: and so are called out of darknesse into the marvellous light, 1 Pet. 2.7.8.9.

And in thy 7th, thou saies, God hath sent forth his light and truth to guide men to his holy hill, and then saith in the latter end of it, the light is not able to lead unto hapi­nesse: see thy confusion, that light, which leads to the ho­ly hill, leads unto happiness, which light is Christ, and thou saies after, to confute thy selfe, that Ghrist the true light: Joh. 1.9. who is in man, Colos. 1.27. is not able to lead into happinesse; But therein thy darkness is seene, who would put the letter for the light, and take the au­thoritie from Christ, and his Spirit, saying the light in man is not able to lead to happinesse; but the Scriptures, which thou calls the word, is able to save your souls, thou saies, if you receive it with meeknesse, citing, Jam. 1.21. and if thou knew the word, that James there speaks of, thou would know it within, to be an ingrafted word, not in Paper and Inke: but deviding assunder betwixt Spirit and soul, Heb. 4.12: but thou that saies, the light in man (it he obey and follow it) is not able to lead to happinesse, thou art a contrary witnesse and messenger to the former witnesses, and messengers of God , if Christ and his Spirit be light and not darknesse, and be in man, then according to thy saying, though Christ and his Spirit, which is light, and not darknesse, be in man, yet they are not able to lead out of darknesse and into the light of life and true happinesse; but Christ saith such as follow him the true light, shall not walk in darknesse, but have the light of life, and so true happiness: for he is the author of eternall salvation to all that obey him, Heb. 5.8.9. but so is not the letter though it declare of it, therefore take notice of thy deceipt, and be asham­ed of it.

[Page 50] And to thy 8th, the Commandements of God that are pure enlightening the eyes of the understanding, are (pure and) spirituall, and was in them before they proceeded forth, and the same Spirit doth now enlighten our under­standing, and the enterance of the word of life that de­vides betwixt soul and Spirit, give light and understand­ing, which word is not the letter, though the letter de­clare of it, yet witnessed unto by it, which word giveth us an understanding, dwelling within us as it did them, that witnessed the same: Heb. 4.12. Rom. 10.8. 1 Joh. 2.14. and 1 Ioh. 4.4. 1 Ioh. 5.20: And therefore we being enligh­tened with it, having an understanding given thereby, we do not speake against the law, and testimony, 1 Ioh. 3.4. Rom. 8.2.3.4. Rev. 19.10: but according to them, because there is light within us: Isa. 8.20. 2 Cor. 4.6,7, as in thy 8th consederation.

Consideration the 9th, that the true Prophets did not follow the imaginations of their own hearts, yet the light and Spirit of God with them they did follow, as those peo­ple doth that thou in thy 9th seeks to cast thy slander upon, but it turnes off from them and stands for thy selfe who for­sakes the light within to follow the imaginations of thy heart which makes thee to accuse falsly, and slander, and so speaks not acco [...]ding to the law and testimony therein, be­cause darknesse hath blinded thy minde; And where thou saies in thy 10th, that the false Prophets was eminent in that worke, and saith it is an evident marke of the false Pro­phets so to do, (to lie and speake fasly as you do) but not to follow the light as thou would have it, except thou would make false Prophets of the true: for they was eminent in following the light and Spirit of God within, and said, To the law and testimony, if any man speake not according to them, it is because there is no light in him: Then they that spake and now speake according to the law and testi­mony, there is light in them, so was there in the true Prophets, and they was eminent in following the light [Page 51] within them, but so did not the false Prophets, thou art to prove that, for such as did not follow the light and Gun­saile of God, they were false Prophets, and false teachers, as thou art, and all liers, slanderers, and false-accu­sers.

And to thy 11th: That all those teachers now, that come after God hath sent the light of the Gospel, and his Spirit to guide into all truth such as obey and follow the same, Luke 2.32: Ioh. 8.12: Ioh. 16.13. Rom. 8.14: Gal. 4.6: and all people from the light and the teachings of the Spirit, to follow carnall inventions, and despise and undervalue the true light, and spirituall teachings, and stick in Paper and Inke, and are Ministers of their brain-imaginations, from the letter, and are not of the new Covenant, and light and Spirit, 2 Cor. 3.6. 2 Cor. 4.4.5.6.7: they are false Apostles and false teachers that are such liers, slanderers and false-accusers: as Thomas Pollard, Henry Hagger, and Iohn Griffith are; though they may have a forme of godlinesse from the letter, yet denying the light and life or power of godlinesse in the Spirit they are to be turned away from, and denied.

Thy Queries and considerations, differs somthing in the name yet little in the nature, or matter, but to them I shall returne this answer, as followeth.

To thy first that the light which is of the Spirit of God in man which doth convince him of sin, the transgression of the law, 1 Joh. 3.4. if it be obeyed and followed, it will lead (as it doth us) him out of darknesse and sin; into the light of life, Joh. 8.12: and so into the life of the law, and not from it, (which is the end of thy Queries for the righteousnesse of the law is fulfilled in such as walke not af­ter (darknesse and the flesh) but after [the light and so after] the Spirit, Rom. 8.3,4. or in short, and to thy Question, in breife, that the light of God in man, doth not lead [Page 52] him, contrary to his law and testmony in the Spirit. But according to it, and so through the law into the Gospel, so that there is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus who walke not after the flesh, but after the Spirit, Rom. 8.1. and therefore thy lie and slander in thy first Que­rie turnes back upon thee againe, and also those in thy second, who art given over to lie and speake falsly as thou hast done.

And to thy second, such as despise the light of the Spi­rit and the living truth, and undervalue the light of life, Joh. 8.12: preferring the letter before it, and set the letter above the Spirit, they must needs be in darkness and so the God of this world hath blinded their mindes [as he hath done thine, and such liers and false-accusers of the light and the truth] least the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ which is the image of God, should shine unto [you and un­to] them, 2 Cor. 4.3.4. But the Scriptures we do not un­dervalue as thou saies, nor dispise: these are two of thy lies] neither do we walke in darknesse no more then such did that preferred the light of the Gospel above the letter, and were Ministers of the light and Spirit within, and not of the letter; 2 Cor. 3.6: and they preached not them­selves but the light and the Lord Jesus as we do, and said God who commanded the light to shine out of darknesse, did shine within them, even in their hearts, as it doth in ours, to give us the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ, and this treasure have we in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us; And they that preached the light, and the Lord Jesus, they had the same light, &c: within them, which thou being in darknesse stumbleth at, 2 Cor. 4.5.6,7: Colos. 1.27.28.29.

3. That true light which is of God, in man, the Scrip­tures declareth of and according to Psal. 119:130: where it saith, The enterance of thy words giveth light, which words [Page 53] had enterance, in David before he spake or writ them: then the words that giveth light or the teachings of the Spirit of God that giveth an understanding is within, as David wit­nessed, who said, Light was sowne for the righteous and gladnesse for the upright in heart, Psal. 97.11. and the law of his God was within him, even in his heart, Psal. 37.31. and the word were hid in Davids heart, Psal. 119.11. which word were as a lampe, and so a light to him, even the word of God in his heart, but thou would have the letter to be the word and the light, and there thy designe and also deceipt is seene; And in thy 5th, thou asketh what that light, which is in any man, teacheth him more then the Scriptures teacheth him? I answer, that the Scriptures witnesseth with the light and the teachings thereof, yet the light teacheth such as obey it, when they have not the Scriptures or Printed Bible to looke on, and teacheth such as obey, if they be not book learned, and teacheth them more then the Scriptures yet hath taught thee, that art given over to lie, as in thy latter part of that Querie also, where thou saies thou hast seene an end of all perfection; then an end thou saies of that light that these men pretend, &c: The light that we do not pretend only, but witnesse al­so, is that light which is without end, and was in the be­ginning with God, Joh. 1.1.2,3,4,5, which light darknesse cannot comprehend, therefore take notice of thy slander and lie, if thou have seene an end of that light, hast thou not seene an end of God, who is light: 1 Joh. 1,5. and also of his work; When thou hast considered of it, acknow­ledge thy rashnesse and folly, for the light which is our witnesse will witnesse against thee for it, and reprove thee in secret, for acting and speaking so contrary to it, which light is the condemnation of such as hate it: which light doth reprove and forbid thee for doing evill; which light the Scriptures witnesseth with, as in thy 5th, yet the let­ter is not the light as thou would therein have it, and though the Scripture be profitable for doctrine for re­proofe for correction for instruction in righteousnesse that [Page 54] the man of God may be perfect and thorowly furnished unto all good works: it is through faith in Christ Jesus: and so through the light, Joh. 1.9. Joh. 8.12. as the first and cheife or moving cause: and therefore the light is more then the letter, take notice of that: for the light and Spirit, is the convincer, and guides such as obeyeth it into all truth and sheweth things to come, revealing also the deepe things of God, so doth not the letter do, that which is the worke of the light and Spirit of God, though it de­clare of it, and witnesse unto it, Iohn. 16. 1 Cor. 2.9.10.

Thy sixth is; whether there was not a greater light in the Lord Iesus, then ever was in any man else, or ever shall be; and thy seventh is, whether he did not declare it, and make it known by his words and actions, more then ever any man else could do.

I answer, that Iesus was the true light, and is, accor­ding to those two Scriptures which thou hast cited, John 1.9. and John. 8.12. And as he is called the light of the world, so did he call them that saw with his light, and were in it, the light of the world also; as in Mat. 5.14. and for manifesting it, more by actions, &c, he said, that it was the Father which was in him, that wrought the works, John 14.10. and he said also, that what he did, some should do, and greater works also, John 14.12. and there was great works done by others, from the same light and power, or working of the Father in them; and for words, there was such spoken, after he had sent them the Holy Ghost, that the adversaries were not able to resist the spirit by which they were spoken, as the Scripture witnesseth; and behold the Tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, Rev.. 21.3. and the Lord God and the Lamb is the light, and the Nations which are saved shall walk in it, Rev. 21.23,24. so the light, according to the ma­nifestation of it, is the forme that it was, and as Christ hath said, At that day, ye shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. John 14.20. but thy drift is to set up the letter of the Scripture, instead of the light; and here [Page 55] thou sayes, in thy 8th, did not the Apostles of our Lord Iesus, declare and testifie the same things to others, that they hear and say, who shunned not to declare to others the whole Counsel of God: yes, & in that the Apostle John said, that the Message which they had to declare, was the light, 1 John 1.5. which thou seems to be so much offended at; and Paul that Apostle declared and said, that God (which John called light) would dwell and walk in his people, 2 Cor. 6.16. and he also declared of the light, and the glory of God, and the heavenly treasure within, 2 Cor. 4.6,7. and of the life of Christ, to be manifest in mortal flesh, (verse 10. 11.) and and the mystery of Godliness, he said, was great, and also within, Col. 1.27.

But thou being blind, and ignorant of the things and workings of the light, and the spirit of God; thou would have all without, in the letter of the Scripture, which doth but declare of them; for in the 9th, thou askes, whether you can know the things which Christ and his Apostles did; but by the Scriptures? If thou know not, thou knows not the Father dwelling in thee, that so wrought by his power and spirit in them, John 14.10.11,12. Gal. 1. Col. 1.29. And so if thou be in doubt, and question the thing out of ignorance and darkness: thou shews, that thou knowes not the same spirit of Christ within, Gal. 4.6. to bring to re­memberance what Christ hath said , John 14.26. which is the guid into all truth, and shews things to come, John 16.13. And being without the life of the spirit of Christ, and of God to rule and guid in thee, Gal. 4.6. Rom. 8.14. which spirit searcheth and revealeth the deep things of God 1 Cor. 2.10. which in the Prophets did also testifie before hand of the sufferings of Christ, and doth now witness with them, 1 Pet. 1.11,12. and thou that knows not the spirit to guide thee, and reveal the things of God now, as they did then; thou art not of the spiritual, but carnal minded men, and so knowes not the glorious light of the Gospel of Christ, that shineth within, as such did, and do; that witness the power of God to salvation, Rom. 1.16. and the holy unction with­in, [Page 56] whereby they knew all things, 1 John 2.20. But thou would have the Scripture to be the same which thou que­ries of and about, in thy tenth and eleventh Queries, and therein thy design is seen, who thy self, that fol­loweth not the light, walks after the dictates, or (evil) say­ings of thy own heart, which is (as thou sayes) deceiptful and desperately wicked: yet it is known, and with the light reproved, which thou art offended at.

And it is no better then folly and madness in thee, and such like that would put the letter of the Scripture for the light and Gospel which is the power of God to salvation: which light thou sayes, is not sufficient to lead to happi­nesse, &c. And so denies Christ the true light, to be suffici­ent to lead unto happinesse, and denying the true light, thou denies the true guide, that leads into true comfort such as do follow the Counsel of it; and that light which leads the obedient into true comfort, it therefore leads them into true happiness; and such did witness the con­solation, and so the happiness within, that said, As the suf­ferings of Christ did abound in them, so their consolation also abounded by him, 2 Cor. 2.5. and the light which shi­ned in the face of Iesus, through the new Covenant, did shine within them; and the glory and heavenly Treasure as well as the light, which the Scripture declareth of therein, was revealed within them; and so the true comfort and comforter was within them, who did experience the sufferings before, Rom. 8.18. John 14.26. 2 Thes. 1.10. 2 Cor. 3.17,18. and 2 Cor. 4.5,6,7.

But the Letter is not that light, &c. as thou would have it, though it declare of it, &c. which light of the glorious Gospel thou art a stranger unto; for thy dark reason can­not comprehend it, who art in those (and so thy) brain ex­pectations (thou speaks of) and art out of that Covenant which thou out of darkness art quering after; and about; that art such a lyer, and false accuser; and with the liers and false accusers, art a partaker, as this Book maketh manifest, which stands a witness against thee and them, &c. Henry Hagger, that refuseth the glorious light of the Gospel of [Page 57] Christ, and would set the Letter up instead of the light, spo­ken of, or queried about in thy 11th, refusing it to follow, or walk by (as thou sayes, instead of his) thy own imagina­tions, or dictates and sayings of thy evil heart, which is so deceitful, and desperately wicked, the heart thou speaks of in thy Query.

And now according to thy 12th, such as thou art (being, found out after query or search) that hath so lyed and sought as thy Brethren hath done, to set up the letter of the Scrip­ture, instead of the light and spirit, or power of God unto salvation, which is the Gospel of Christ, and refusing, the light within, also; and that which Paul and the Gospel-Ministers witnessed in them, who called it the glorious light of the Gospel of Christ in the face of Jesus, which was in them, and shined within, in their hearts, 2 Cor. 4,4,5,6,7. in which light the Nations that are saved, shall walk, Rev. 21.23,24. which light we chuse to walk by and in, as Paul and the faithful in Christ did, giving thanks unto the Father of lights, James 1.17. who of his own will begot us with the word of truth, James 1.18. who hath made us meet to be partakers (of what the Saints doth inherit) of the Inheritance of the Saints in light, Col. 1.12. And so we are required to hold such accursed, as denies Christ within, which Paul preached, and said to the Colossians, great is the mysterie of godliness, Christ in you, whom we preach, &c: Col. 1.27.28.29: and such we are to deny as denies the light within, which the Gospel preachers witnessed in them, 2 Cor. 4.6.7. which thou opposeth and stumbleth or art offended at; as the Serpents seed ever was; But the light and the Spirit of truth we own, to be within us: which is not darknesse as thou would have it, but being obeyed, leadeth out of darknesse errour and deceipt into the light of life, Ioh. 8.12. Ioh. 16.13: and so into the truth of the Gospel, spoken of in thy last Querie, and that slander of the undervaluing of the words of Christ shall stand for thy selfe &c: that speaks against and undervalued the inward spirituall and true light which leadeth into true hap­piness [Page 58] happinesse such as follow and obey it, and so it leadeth out of darknesse errour and deceipt into the light of life, though thou lier say it do not, therein thy testimony is false and not true, and thou art found to be a false witnesse of the light and the truth: and thy testimony is denied, and against testified as is required, Eph. 5.11.

And thou that would have the words as they are printed in the Bible there, to be Spirit and life, as in thy last Querie. But thou shews by that, that thou art ignorant of the eter­nall word: and so of the word of life, and knows not the true spirituall life, that would put the letter for the life; And where thou saies, how can ye know that the dead shall rise and come to Judgment, but by the Scriptures: page 54.] I answer, even as they knew the things declared of in the Scriptures, by that Spirit of God that revealeth the deepe things of God, 1 Cor. 2.10. and also sheweth things to come, as the Scripture witnesseth, Joh. 16.13.

That the dead shall rise and come to Judgment, is one of the deepe things of God; And also a thing to come; But the Spirit of God revealeth and searcheth or maketh knowne the deepe things of God, (without the letter, as the letter witnesseth,) which Spirit also sheweth things to come, as the Scripture declareth; Therefore the Spirit of God, so revealing and making knowne even the deepe things of God, could make knowne the day of judgment and things to come, as the Scripture witnesseth, but the blind like thee, sees it not, who stumbles at the light, and knows not the eternall word, not yet the worke of the Spirit of God, as thy booke of slander maketh manifest.

Where did any true Prophet or Apostle of the Lord Je­sus, goe either to prophecy or preach with a printed Bi­ble in their hand? and from that say, Thus saith the Lord &c. And if printing had not of late beene invented, what would you have preached here in England, who knows not with­in you, the eternall life and word of God.

Therefore they being out of the truth, and false accusers, they must needs be also cut of Gospel-order; And in that [Page 59] thou hast told another lie: and Thomas Pollard, when thou had accused Richard Farnsworth falsly, at the meeting at Harliston, Hugh Read said unto thee, why would thou stand charging things upon him which thou could not prove and Humphyry Beeland, who had beene a teacher to the Baptised people, he said to thee Thomas Pollard, Instance a­ny one particuler and prove against him, which thou taxeth him withall, &c: but thou then made no answer as to prove any one thing which thou had falsly charged upon him, and accused him withall: and therefore art a false accuser of him and the truth; and thy lies, heads of deceit, and false accusations are witnessed against, by some that were present at the meeting at Harliston that time by name Hugh Reed, Anthony Briklay, Humphey, Beeland, and John Smith.

[Page 60] If there want any of thy number of lies, it is but for want of setting them downe: for I have as many numbered up in writing out of Iohn Griffiths and thine, as amounts to the number of one hundred fifty and four lies, &c. Which fruits may cause you to blush, if you consider thereof and serve to be a shame to your profession, that are attended with such a company of lies: cover your faces with shame, and learne to amend: bring forth better fruits, even such as are meete for amendment of life, and make not lies your refuge as you have done, for it maketh you manifest that you are not yet come into Johns doctrine; and, so instead of fulfilling all righteousnesse, you are adding one lie to another, and sin unto sin, being fulfilling deceipt or filled with all unrighteousnesse, &c: Rom. 1.28.29.