QVERIES OF HIGHEST CONSIDERATION, Proposed to the five HOLLAND Ministers AND THE Scotch Commissioners (SO CALLED.) Vpon occasion of their late Printed Apologies for themselves and their Churches. In all Humble Reverence presented to the view of the Right Honourable the Houses of the High Court of Parlament.

LONDON, Imprinted in the yeare MDCX.IV.

QVERIES OF HIGHEST CONSIDERATION, Proposed to

  • M r. Tho. Goodwin
  • M r. Phillip Nye
  • M r. Wil. Bridges
  • M r. Jer. Burroughs
  • M r. Sidr. Simpson.

AND To the Commissioners from the Generall Assembly (so called) of the Church Of SCOTLAND; Vpon occasion of their late Printed Apologies for themselves and their Churches. In all Humble Reverence presented to the view of the Right Honourable the Houses of the High Court of Parlament.

LONDON, Imprinted in the yeare MDCXLIV.

TO THE Right Honourable Both Houses of the High Court Of PARLIAMENT.

Right Honourable,

IT is a wofull Priviledge attending all great States and Personages, that they seldome heare any other Musick but what is known will please them.

Though our Musick sound not sweet but harsh, yet please you first to know, it is not fitted to your Eares, but to your Hearts, and the blee­ding Heart of this aflicted Nation.

'Tis true, we have been humbly bold to presume as Ester into Ahasuerus his presence, against your Order: For who can passe the many Locks and Bars of any the severall Licencers, appointed by you with such a Message? By such Circumscribing and immuring of your selves by such a Guard (their Persons we honour and esteem) it is [Page]rarely possible that any other Light, but what their He­mispheare affoords, shall ever shine on your Honours Souls, though ne're so sweet, so necessary, and though it come from God, from Heaven.

These Worthy and much esteemed Persons unto whom we Quaery, we have heard to be Men of Conscience, of Abilities, and are in this worthy of double Honour, that (according to their Consciences) they appear in the Front, and present their Moulds and Patterns of Church Go­vernment, from Holland, from Scotland, to our inqui­ring England.

Their mutuall just Exceptions which they have alrea­dy, or may further expresse against each others Tenents we leave to themselves, (though we might expresse them to our advantage.) We shall be humbly bold in the name of the Lord Jesus; and the many thousand precious souls, for whom he hath paid so deare a Ransome; to present such Quaeries to your Honours view, as respect their joint Agreement (Pardon the I hrase) like Ephraim and Ma­nasseh (though fighting each against other, yet) both against Christ Jesus the Lion of Iudahs Tribe; we mean so farre as they appose the Truth and Purity of his last will and Testament.

Most Renowned Patriots, You sit at Helme in as great a Storm, as ere poor Englands Common-wealth was iost in: Yet be you pleased to remember, that (excep­ting the affaires of Heaven, of Religion, of Soules, of Eternity) all your Consultations, Conclusions, Exe­cutions, are not of the Quantity, of the value of one poor drop of water, or the little dust of the Ballance, of Elaiah were a true Prophet, Esa. 40.15.

Yet concerning Soules, wee will not (as most doe) [Page]charge you with the loads of all the Soules in England, Scotland, Ireland: Wee shall humbly affirme, and (by the help of Christ) maintaine, that the Bodies and Goods of the Subject is your charge: Their Soules and yours are set on account to those that professe to be the Lights and Guides, the Messengers and Embassadors sent from Heaven to them.

You will please to say, We are constantly told, and we be­lieve it, that Religion is our first Care, and Reformati­on of that our greatest Taske.

Right Honourable, your Wisdomes know the Fatall Miscariages of Englands Parliaments in this point; what setting up, pulling downe, what Formings, Refor­mings, and againe Deformings, to admiration.

Three Instances are dreadfull, yet to expresse Seaso­nable.

First, The last and best of Englands changes, establi­shed Lord Bishops: they and two more (Priests and Dea­cons) are by Law the established Ministers of Englands Church: The former makes the latter, so far as concerns a lawfull externall Calling. The Lord Bishops themselvs, are now Ʋoted Antichristian; Your Wisdomes then see what Callings by Law, the other two sorts, Priests and Deacons have all this while bin furnished with.

Secondly, if hee that eates and drinkes the Body and blood of Christ unworthily, eateth and drinketh his owne judgement, and all English soules are bound by Law to cate that Body and Blood at sixteene, who sees not, since (as tis confest scarce one of a thousand, but is found igno­rant, Impenitent, Unregenerate at those yeeres) that the Body of the People are compelled by Law, to eat and drink at sixteen their own judgment.

Thirdly, for Non-conforming to these and other practi­ses, the English Masse-Booke, &c. what heavy Persecu­tion have thousands felt, and that by Law established?

We shall in all humble Reverence, suggest our Feares, that for the very Laws and Statutes of Englands Parli­aments concerning Religion, and happily for some not yet suspected, the Lord Iesus hath drawne this Sword, that's daily drunke with English Blood.

It shall never be your Honour to this or future Ages, to be confined to the Patterns of either French, Dutch, Scotch, or New-English Churches We humbly conceive some higher Act concerning Religion, attends and be­comes your Consultations: If he whose name is, wonder­full, Counsellor, be consulted and obeyed according to his last Will and Testament (as you may please in the Quaeries to view) wee are confident you shall exceed the Acts and Patternes of all Neighbour Nations; bighly exalt the name of the Son of God; provide for the Peace of this distressed State, engage the Soules of all that feare God, to give Thankes and Supplicate for you; further the Salvation of thousands, and leave the sweet perfume of your Names, precious to all succeeding Generations.

QUERIES PROPOUNDED To the five Holland Ministers, and the Scotch Commissioners.

WORTHY SIRS,

IN serious Examination of your late Apo­logies, we shall in all due respect and ten­dernesse humbly Querie:

Querie I First, What Precept or Pattern hath the Lord Jesus left you in his last Will and Testament for your Synod, What warrant from the Lord Iesus for the Assembly of Divines? or Assem­bly of Divines, by vertue of which you may expect his presence and assistance?

If you say (as all Popish Synods and Councels doe) the Pattern is plain, Acts 15. Acts 15. exa­mined. We aske if two or three Brethren of one particular Congregation at Antioch, sent to that first Mother Church at Jerusalem, where the Apostles were, who being (immediatly) inspir'd from God, could say, It seemeth good to the holy Spirit and Vs, to lay upon you no greater bur­then, &c. as also who had power to make Decrees for all the Churches, Acts 16. We aske whether this be a Pattern, A Nationall Assembly ne­cessarily infor­ceth an Assem­bly of the whole world. for a Nation or Kingdome (and so consequently for more Nati­ons and all the World if under one Government, as in Au­gustus Caesars tax) to send their severall Priests and Deacons (for other spirituall Officers then Bishops, Priests and Dea­cons you know we have not) to reforme or forme a Reli­gion, &c?

We pray you to consider, Dan. 3. Daniels I­mage, a type of State Religi­ons. if the golden Image be not a type and figure of the severall Nationall and State Religions, which all Nations set up and Ours hath done, for which the wrath of God is now upon Us?

We pray you also to answer in what part of Christs Te­stament is found that title, The Title, the Assembly of Divines exa­mined. The Assembly of Divines; and whether it be not in English, The Church of Godly ones? And as we Queried your ground for such a Church, so have we also cause to pray you to tell us, Where Christ Jesus hath given you power to assume and appropriate such a Title to your selves, which seems in Scripture to be common to all the Children of God?

Some expresse it in Print and pulpit, That title, the Assembly of godly Divines examined. the Assembly of god­ly Divines; we derogate not from the worth or godlinesse of any of them: yet you know the Assembly of Saints, or godly Divines, is no other in English then the Assembly or Church of Saints, or godly godly ones. All that will live godly in Christ Iesus must suffer persecution: We presume you will grant o­thers to be Saints and godly too in that sence: but Oh that that whole Assembly or Congregation were truly resolved, (by way of Eminencie) to lead all the godly in the Land in such a Christian practice.

QUERIE II.

Whereas you both agree (though with some difference) that the Civill Magistrate must Reform the Church, esta­blish Religion, and so consequently must first Judge, and Judicially Determine which is True, which is False: or else must implicitly beleeve as the Assembly beleeves, and take it upon trust, and so consequently is he the Head, Root and Fountain of the Supremacie of all Spirituall power, and hath the power of the Keyes of opening and shutting heaven gates, &c. Of which power upon a grudge (as 'tis said) about his Wife, King Henry despoild the Pope, King Henry the 8. set down in the Popes chaire. and with consent and Act of Parlament, sate down himselfe in the Popes Chaire in Eng­land as since his Successors have done?

We now Querie, since the Parlament (being the represen­tative Common-wealth) hath no other power but what the Common-weale derive unto, The Common­weale, yea the world the head of the Church. and betrust it with; whether it will not evidently follow, that the Common-weale, the Na­tion the Kingdome, and (if it were in Augustus his time) the whole world must rule and govern the Church, and Christ himselfe as the Church is called, 1 Cor. 12.12?

Furthermore, if the Honourable Houses (the representa­tive [Page 3]Common-weale) shall erect a Spirituall Court, for the Iudging of Spirituall Men and Spirituall Causes (although a new Name be put upon it, A new High-Commission. yet) whether or no such a Court is not in the true nature and kind of it, an High Commis­sion? And is not this a reviving of Moses, and the sanctifying of a new Land of Canaan, of which we heare nothing in the Testament of Christ Jesus, nor of any other holy Nation, but the particular Church of Christ? 1 Pet. 2.9.

Is not this to subject this holy Nation, this heavenly Jeru­salem, the Wife and Spouse of Jesus, the pillar and ground of Truth, to the vain, uncertain and changeable Mutations of this present evill world?

Who knowes not in how few yeares the Common-weale of England hath set up and pull'd down? The Parla­ments of Englands won­derfull changes in Religion. The Fathers made the Children Hereticks, and the Children the Fathers. How doth the Parlament in Henry the 8. his dayes condemn the absolute Popery in Henry the seventh? How is in Edwards the 6. his time the Parlament of Henry the 8. condemned for their halfe Popery, halfe Protestanisme? How soon doth Queen Maries Parlament condemn Edward for his absolute Protestanisme? The present Parlament would have been esteemed Hereticall in former times. And Elizabeths Parlament as soon condemn Queen Maries for their absolute Popery? 'Tis true, Queen Elizabeth made Lawes against Popery and Papists, but the Government of Bishops, the Common Prayer, the Ceremo­nies were then so high in that Queen and Parlaments eye, that the Members of this present and ever renowned Parla­ment, would have then been counted little lesse then Here­ticks. And oh! since the Common-weale cannot without a spirituall rape force the consciences of all to one Worship, oh that it may never commit that rape, in forcing the con­sciences of all men to one Worship, which a stronger arme and Sword may soon (as formerly) arise to alter.

QUERIE III.

Whether since you professe to be Builders, The only true Matter for a true Church are living Stones. you have not cause to feare and tremble, least you be found to reject the Corner stone, in not fitting to him only living stones? 1 Pet. 2. Of these living stones, (true Beleevers) the costly Stones of the Temple were types: and without true matter, which (as it is [Page 4]in all works in the World) it is impossible to build a spiritu­all House unto God?

This matter, the One of you confesse and practice, the Other questions and mingles Sheep and Goats together, con­trary to the spirituall nature of the Lord Jesus, and his true Pattern; contrary to the nature of God, who is a Spirit, and will be Worshipped by Spirituall Worshippers; contrary to the peace and safety of any naturall Soule and conscience, hardned in a dream of Fellowship with God, who saith to the ungodly, What hast thou to doe to take my Covenant into thy mouth, and hatest to be reformed? Psal. 50.

QUERIE IV.

Whether in your consciences before God, you be not per­swaded (notwithstanding your promiscuous joyning with all) that few of the People of England and Scotland, Few of the people of Eng­land or Scot­land, living Stones. and fewer of the Nobles and Gentry are such spirituall matter, living stones, truly regenerate and converted; and therfore, Whether it be not the greatest Courtesie in the world, which you may possibly perform unto them, to acquaint them impartially with their conditions; and how impossible it is for a dead Stone to have Fellowship with the living God, and for any man to enter into the Kingdome of God, without a second Birth? John 3.

QUERIE V.

Although the fame and sound is great of Reformation, we Querie, Impossible to reforme the dead in sin, the spiritually liv­ing, are only capable of re­formation ac­cording to Christ. Whether a dead soule is capable of any Reforma­tion, untill the first principle of Christianity, Repentance ( Heb. 6.6.) be found in him: otherwise, as a thousand seve­rall renewed Forms of Apparell, alters not the condition of a dead man: or a thousand new Formes of Postures of an Armie of Cavaliers cannot make a Parlament Army: So we Querie how possible that a person or persons, visibly in a state of nature, dead in sinne, in a state of enmitie and opposition a­gainst God ( Ephes. Definitions of ought must not be from the corruption, but Institution of it, according to which mist be the reformati­on. 2. Rom. 8.) can ever please God, be visibly maried to God, fight for him under the Banners of Love? &c. Allegations may be brought from the corruptions of the Church of the Jewes, and the Churches of Christ: but We doe not use to define a Man by his Diseases, nor a Garden by Weeds, nor a Citie by a Tumult, or an Army by a Rout or [Page 5]disorder, especially when we treat upon an Institution or Re­sturation.

QUERIE VI.

Although you both professe your Holynesse, Diligence, Zeale, Courage, Selfe-denyall, Patience, and the one of you the incomparable spirit of your Fathers in the worke of Re­formation; yet we Querie, Excellent Wit­nesses of Christ Iesus, who ne­ver proceeded to a Church­estate Whether there hath not been as Holy, Able, and Zealous Men since the Apostacie; Men like Antipas, Rev. 2. faithfull Witnesses of the Lord Jesus (in what Light they saw) even to Death, who yet never came up to such a worke of Reformation as you speak of: Yea (without offence be it spoken) have there not been as excellent and heavenly Reformers as your selves and Fathers, whose pro­fessed Reformation you now dislike? Who shall outshine many of the Waldensian Reformers for Holynesse, Zeale, Excellent re­formers, whose worke now seems to be be­side the first Pattern, and this Age dis­likes, forsakes, &c. One of the greatest Par­laments that ever was, after all rejoycing and triumph­ing in it found Gods anger for their errors, in reformation of his worship. patience? Where is, or hath that pretious man been found, who hath (for personall excellencies) outshined Luther? and who shall o'retop those glorious Cedars Bishops, Doctors, &c. burnt for Christ Jesus in Queen Maries dayes?

Yea, where the Church we grant to have been true (accor­ding to its Instistution, for the time of it) What Assembly, what Parlament can compare with that of David and his Captains of thousands, Captains of hundreths, and every Lea­der, and all the Congregation of Israel from Shishor of Egypt, to the entring in of Hemath assembled together to reform the Worship of God, in that true, but Nationall. Typical, Church estate of Israel? What rejoycing, what playing was there of David and all Israel with Harps, Psalteries, Timbrells, Cym­balls and Trumpets, and yet how angry was God, what a Breach did he make? for David and all Israel transgrest the due appointed Order, 1 Cron. 13. 1 Cron. 15.

QUERIE VII.

Since the Law was given by Moses, A Nationall Covenant, and a Natio­nall Church, not found in the Doct ine of the Son of God but Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ, by whom (though God spake divers times and divers wayes to the Fathers) he hath now revealed his councell in these last times, Heb. 1. We Quere, where you now find one footstep, Print or Pattern in this Doctrine of the Son of God, for a Nationall holy Covenant, and so con­sequenty (though we conceive the one of you stumble at it) [Page 6]a Nationall Church? Where find you evidence of a whole Nation, Country or Kingdom converted to the Faith and of Christs appointing of a whole Nation or Kingdome to walk in one way of Religion?

If you repaire to Moses, Such as hold a Nationall Church of God must needs disclaim Christ and follow Moses. consult with Moses and the old Covenant or Testament, we aske, are you Moses or Christs Followers? or do you yet expect the comming of the Son of God to set up the Christian Israel, the holy Nation, the par­ticular Congregation of Christian Worshippers, in all parts of the world? 1 Pet. 2. Heb. 12. &c.

We further Quere, Whether a Nationall Covenant, lead not (in case, If one whole Nation, where should we stop, why may not many and the whole world? &c. and as is practised) unavoydably to a holy Cove­nant of many Nations? 2 Pet. 10.20. yea, to a holy league or Covenant (in case of Augustus his Government) of the whole world, which should then turne the Darling and Spouse of God, between whom and it there is such enmitie, that if any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him? 1 John 2.

The Doctrine of Christ Jesus tells us that, Acts 10.35. That in every Nation he that feares God, The nature of the true Church or Congregation of Christ Iesus &c. Not every Nation that feares God. Christ Jesus tells us that his Church may come together to break bread in One place, 1 Cor. 11. which Na­tions and Countries cannot possibly doe: Christ Jesus tells us this his Congregation is now the Common-weale of Is­rael, invested with the true Kingly power of the Lord Jesus, to put forth every wicked person (though King or Keysar) from amongst them.

We Querie, There cannot be 2 true kinds of Churches, no more then 2 true Parlia­ments. Whether it be possible there should be 2 true sorts or kinds of Churches, any more then 'tis possible there may be 2 true Parlaments in England, though many scores or hundreths should be called?

There are indeed 3 score Queens, and 4 score Concubines and Virgins without number, which seem to imply (and that even in these times, as some also have interpreted) severall kinds of Congregations or Churches, Severall sorts of Churches like Brazen, Silver, and Golden Can­dlesticks. and yet Christs Dove is but one, and the only one of her motherr, Cant. 6. The Light of much Truth may shine forth on the brazen Candlesticks of strong Nationall Churches, maintained and held up by the seeming strong Sword of Steel in an Arme of Flesh &c. There may be silver Candlesticks more refin'd and pure in respect of the [Page 7]Matter of which they are constituted, viz. godly persons, &c. But Christ Jesus only walks in the midd'st of his Golden Can­dlesticks, Gathered and Governed after the Golden Instituti­on of Christs Word, which is like fine Gold, Rev. 1. Psa. 19.

Againe, we aske, A National Religion must rack Soules and Bodies, Whether in the Constitution of a Nati­nall Church, it can possibly be framed without a racking and tormenting of thè Soules, as well as of the Bodies of persons, for it seems not possible to fit it to every conscience: sooner shall one suit of Apparell fit every Body, one Law president every Case, or one Size or Last every Foot?

Lastly, The dangerous consequences of it. Whether it be not the cause of a world of Hypo­critets, he Soothing up of people in a Formall State Worship to the ruine of their Soules; the ground of Persecution to Christ Jesus in his Members, and sooner or later, the kind­ling of the devouring flames of Civill Warres, as all Ages testifie?

QUERIE VIII.

Whether, No Wars for Christ but Christian or Spirituall. although (as is exprest) the godly in the 3 King­domes desire a Reformation: yet since the Lamb of God and Prince of Peace hath not in his Testament given us a Pat­tern, Precept or Promise, for the undertaking of a civill War for his sake; we Querie how with comfort to your Souls you may incourage the English Treasure to be Exhausted, and the English Blood to be spilt for the Cause of Christ? We rea­dily grant the Civill Magistrate armed by God with a civill Sword ( Rom. 13.) to execute vengeance against Robbers, War lawfull in civill cases. Mur­therers, Tyrants, &c. Yet where it meerly concerns Christ, we find, when his Disciples desire vengeance upon Offenders, Luke 9. he meekly answers, You know not what spirit you are of, I came not to destroy Mens Lives, but to save them. Christ Iesus forbids fight­ing for his sake. If ever there were cause for the servants of Christ Jesus to fight it was then, when (not his Truth, or Servants, or Ordinances, but) his own most holy Person was in danger, Math. 26. yet then, that Lamb of God checks Peter beginning to fight for him, telling him, that all that take the Sword shall perish by the Sword, for with one Request to his Father, he could have been res­cued by more then 12 Legions of Angells: The Reasons of it. He renders the Reason of his unwillingnesse to have Fighting for his sake, which was his Fathers good pleasure in the fullfilling of the [Page 8]Scripture: Unto which also may be added, Iohn 18.36. My Kingdome is not of this world, if my Kingdome were of this world, then would my servants fight that I should not be delivered, &c.

If it be said his Kingdome then was not of this world, but now it is, or shall be: then was the hower of his Suffring, but now of his servants Reigning: Christs suffe­rings to be fill'd up by his Followers. we Querie, What filling up of the suffrings of Christ Paul speaks of, Col. 1. when he mentioneth that which is behind of the sufferings of Christ? What means that generall Rule of the Lord Jesus Luke 9. If any man will follow me, let him take up his Crosse or Gibbet: and that of Paul, 2 Tim. 4. all that will live godly in Christ Iesus must suffer persecution?

We Querie (if Securitie may be taken by the Wildome of the State for civill Subjection,) The consciences of Idolaters not to be opprest by the Sword, why even the Papists them­selves and their Consciences may not be permitted in the World? For otherwise, if Englands Government were the Government of the whole World, not only They, but a world of Idolaters of all sorts, yea the whole World must be driven out of the World?

We Querie, Whether the Common Body of Protestants, impenitent and unregenerate, be not further off Salvation, and lye not under a greater guilt (like Chorazin and Bethsaida) then does the body of ignorant Papists? Ignorant Pa­pists not such great sinners as knowing Protestants. And we humbly de­sire it may be deeply pondered what should be the kindling of the Jealousie of God, to poure forth the Blood of so many Thousands of Protestants, by the bloody hands of the Pa­pists (since most just He is and righteous in all his Judge­ments) whether or no the Lawes inacted, and Violence offred even to the Consciences of the Papists themselves, have not kindled these devouring flames?

'Tis true, the Prophesies are great concerning Christ and Antichrist throughout the Prophets and the Kevelation, but can you sufficiently demonstrate these to the consciences of men? The Prophesies of Daniel and John not so easity demon­strated. Are you those our blessed Prophets which can tell us how long? Psal. 74.

Can you clear up the mysteries of Daniels 2300 dayes, Dan. 8. Daniels 7 weeks and 3 score and 2 weeks, his one week, and his halfe week, Daniels and Johns mysti­call Numbers. Dan. 9? His time, times, and half a time, his 1290 dayes, and 1335 dayes, Dan. 12?

Can you unlocke those mysticall numbers of Iohns 42 [Page 9]moneths, 1260 dayes; the 3 dayes and a halfe, Rev. 11.12. the time, times, and halfe a time, Rev. 12. and the thousand yeare, Rev. 20. with divers others, which may establish the Judgements and Consciences of Men, and give them Warrant whereon to venture their Souls, and shed their Bloods, for the present destruction of Pope and Popery (not by the breath of Christs mouth, and the Sword of the Spirit, but) by the breath of murthering Canons, and a flaming Sword of steele?

Otherwise, we Querie, The wonderful slaughters of Papists and Protestants in the famous warres of the Waldensians. Whether the blood of so many hun­dreth thousand Protestants, mingled with the blood of so many hundreth thousand Papists, as was spilt some hundreth yeares in the Waldensian warres, when all the Protestant par­tie that took the Sword perished with it, be not a warning to us their offspring?

'Tis true, Iohn tells us of Christs great Battells against the Kings of the Earth, The great bat­tels of Christ Iesus yet to be fought. against the Beast and false Prophet against Gog and Magog: but where speaks he of other Ammunition and Artillerie, used by the Saints, but what we find in Pauls Christian Magazine Ephes. 6? Where read we of any other Horse and Armes but those all white? Rev. 19. And yet the Lamb shall have the Victorie over the Beast, and false Pro­phet, and over Gog and Magog in the appointed season. Gods children have been suc­cessefull wit­nesses against the Abomina­tions &c. but never did well in Church Re­formation, which their children after them discover, to vary from the Pattern.

QUERIE IX.

You both professe great Sufferings, &c. We Querie, Whe­ther any of the Sufferings of Gods Witnesses since the Apo­stacie, have been only right against the darke part, the Inventi­ons, Abominations and Usurpations of Antichrist, according to Rev. 11? As for the light part, who sees not but to this day the Childrens Reformations in new changes condemn their Fathers, whose Zeale and Patience against the dark part, have hitherto exceeded the Childrens.

We Querie, Whether the finishing of the Testimonie, with the slaughter of the Witnesses, and their 3 dayes and halfe last great oppression be over and past, that so the light part may arise in its brightnesse? Martyrs, that is, Witnesses, not peculiar to those that die for Christ. And though you commonly and on­ly call those Martyrs, who lost their lives for Jesus: yet we also Querie, Whether Martyrs, that is Witnesses, Rev. 11. be not applyable to all the servants of Christ, who Witnesse a­gainst any part of the Beasts Kingdome and Tyranny, al­though [Page 10]they never Witnesse to the Death?

QUERIE X.

Since you report your opposing and suppressing of Here­sies, and glorious successe, &c. We Querie, Whether that be a demonstrative argument from the Scriptures, for a Truth of a Church, or Government of it, since even the Church of Rome may boast of the same against many Schismes and He­resies, and doth try umph with wonderfull successe, even a­gainst the Truth, and the Witnesses of it, according to Daniel and Johns Prophesies? Dan. 11. Rev. 13.

Thus it pleased God in his Providence to turn the scales of Victorie (with a reliefe of their Armies) to the Idolatrous Israelites and Edomites against the Moabites, God sometimes gives great successe of Vi­ctorie, even to Idolaters. 2 Kings 3. and miraculously to deliver Idolatrous Apostate Israel from the mighty Armies of the Syrians, 2 Kings 7. Thus he also rewar­ded hypocriticall Jehn for his temporall service in destroy­ing Ahabs house with a temporall Honour to the fourth ge­neration, though himselfe and his continued in the Schisme, Apostacie and Idolatry of the house of Israel.

We pray you also to call to mind how it pleaseth God, out of the bottomles Ocean of his Goodnesse, to cause his Sun to shine, and his raines to fall upon the righteous and the wicked; and time and chance (saith Salomon) happens unto all, and one event.

It pleased the Lord to heare the Prayers of wicked Ahab, God sometimes heares the prayers of le­gall cries of Idolaters, and the Dwells themselves. and to remit his temporall Affliction upon his temporall Humiliation.

Thus the Lord Jesus heard the prayers of the Divels them­selves, Luke 8. Upon the cry of the Idolatrous Mariners God mercifully provided to answer their prayers, and cease the Storme by the casting out of Jonah. Thus upon the external legall Humiliation of Ninivie, it was reprieved and spar'd a season; and Sodome had not been burned to ashes, but had con­tinued untill Christs time, upon a supposition of their legall Humiliation, Matth. 11.

Thus although the Idolatrous Assirians feared Jehovah, Iudgements taken off from the Assyrians, upon the least shadow of Gods worship. and served their gods (2 Kings 17.) yet we hear no more of the Li­ons amongst them when the King of Assyria had taken order for one of Israels Idolatrous Priests, to teach the Assyrians som­thing of the manner of Gods service.

We Querie, Whether all these Instances amount to more then Evidences of the infinite Mercies, Goodnesse and Pati­ence of God but are not proofs of their Worshipping of God according to his Ordinance, that their Institutions were from him, and their Reformations according to his Appointment?

Yea, we further Querie, Whether the power of godlinesse, shi­ning forth in persons may evidence their state and Worship good? The power of godlines may shine in some persons living in great pro­phanations of Gods worship. You both confesse the great profession of the power of godlinesse in England: yet we beleeve the one of you acknow­ledge the Church of England as a Nationall Church not true; and both confesse the Government, Governours, and the Common Prayer (the Service and Worship of it) to be abo­minable. Yet it is confest that Englands false National Church, with her Bishops, Common Prayer, ceremonies &c. had more evidence of the power of godlines in her Children, then was to be found amongst the Scotch, French Dutch, who pretend a Reforma­tion purer. It seems therfore evident, that neither opposing of Heresies, nor successe in Victories Deliverances, nor power of godlinesse in some persons, can evidence and prove their State and Worship to be right and pleasing unto God, accor­ding to his Ordinance in Christ Jesus.

QUERIE XI.

Since you both seem to magnifie the Seales of Baptisme, and the Lords Supper, with a difference and excellency above other Ordinances, We Querie where the Lord Jesus appoin­ted such a difference and distinction? And whether there was not as full Communion practised by the first Christians in the Word, Prayer, and Communitie, as in the breaking of Bread? Acts 2.42.

Further we Querie, since Baptisme is one of those Funda­mentalls, Heb. 6. and every one that will be saved is bound to prove his Faith and his Baptisme true ( Mark. 16.16. he that beleeveth and is baptised shall be saved.) We Quere, how a Bap­tismes or 2 Great Seals can be true in the Kingdome of Christ Jesus, any more then 2 Great Seales can be true in the King­dome of England? And whether a Christian Commission, Pattent, Pardon, Writ, can be truly seal'd (as is maintained) from Rome, any more then a civill Commission, Pattent, Par­don or Writ can be truly Sealed at Oxford?

To insist upon a late instance: since the Bishops power and Calling is condemned as Antichristian, how can we evidence the Seale of Baptisme true, which we have received from them?

Furthermore, since a true Baptisme giveth Right to all the Ordinances of Christ Jesus, we Querie, how any Protestant or Papist, whose Baptisme you acknowledge to be true, can be denied Communion in the Supper also, according to 1 Cor. 12.12. By one spirit are we all baptized into one body, and conse­quently into the participation of the Ordinances therof: and if so, we Querie how farre off Rome and the Pope himselfe is from our bosomes?

QUERIE XII.

Since you both professe to want more Light, and that a greater Light is yet to be expected; yea, that the Church of Scotland may yet have need of a greater Reformation, &c. we Querie, how you can professe and Sweare to Persecute all o­thers as Schismatiques, Hereticks, &c. that beleeve they see a further Light, and dare not joyn with either of your Chur­ches? Whether the Lambes Wife have received any such Commission or Disposition from the Lamb her Husband, so to practise? Whether (as King JAMES once wrote upon Re. 20.) it be not a true mark and character of a false Church to Persecute? It being the nature only of a Wolf to hunt the Lambs and Sheep, but impossible for a Lamb or Sheep, or a thousand Flocks of Sheep to persecute one Wolfe: we speak of spirituall Sheep and spirituall Wolves: for other VVolves against the Civil State, VVe professe it to be the Dutie of the Civill State to persecute and suppresse them.

And lastly, whether the States of Holland who tollerate, though not owne (as you say) the several Sects amongst them which differ from them, The States of Holland in permitting o­ther conscien­ces, obey the Command of Christ of per­mitting the Tares. & are of another conscience & worishp, whether or no they com not neerer the holy Pattern & commād of the Lord Jesus, to permit the tares to have a civill being in the field of the world, untill the harvest the end of it. Mat. 13?

VVhether those tares can possibly be taken for Hipocrites in the Church, or Scandalous persons in the Common weal, but are most properly false worshippers, and in especiall, and punctually intended by the Lord Jesus Antichristians, the [Page 13]Children of the wicked one, opposite to the true Christians, the Children of the Kingdome?

VVhether for this very Truth which those States professe, Noctate for the time bath been blest by God as that to admiration. beyond either England or Scotland, it hath not pleased the Lord to prosper the State, above any other State in the word, for the time, since such their wise Permission? Whether there can possibly be expected the least look of Peace, in these fatall Distractions and Tempests raised, but by taking Councel of the great and wisest Polititian that ever was, the Lord Jesus Christ, in this particular?

VVe know the Allegations against this Councell: the head of all is that from Moses (not Christ) his Pattern in the typi­call Land of Canaan, the Kings of Israel and Iudah, &c. The danger and mischiefe of bringing Moses his Pattern into Kingdomes now since Christ Iesus his comming. We humbly desire it may be searched into, & we beleeve it wilbe found but one of Moses shadows, vanished at the comming of the Lord Jesus: yet such a shadow as is directly opposite to the very Testament and coming of the Lord Jesus. Opposite to the very nature of a Christian Church, the only holy Nati­on and Israel of God. Opposite to the very tender Bowels of Humanity, (how much more of Christianity?) abhorring to poure out the blood of Men meerly for their Soules beliefe and worship. Opposite to the very Essentialls and Funda­mentalls of the Nature of a Civill Magistracie, a Civil Com­mon-weal or combination of Men, which can only respect civill things. Opposite to the Jewes Conversion to Christ, by not permitting them a civill life or being. Opposite to the civill Peace, and the lives of Millions, slaughter'd upon this ground, in mutuall persecuting each others Conscience, especially the Protestant and the Papist. Opposite to the Souls of all Men, who by persecutions are ravished into a dissembled Worship, which their Hearts imbrace not.

Opposite to the best of Gods servants, who in all Popish and Protestant States, have been commonly esteemed and per­secuted, as the only Schismaticks, Hereticks, &c. Opposite to that Light of Scripture which is expected yet to shine, which must by that Doctrine be supprest as a new or old Heresie or Noveltie. All this in all Ages experience testifies, which ne­ver saw any long liv'd Fruit of Peace or Righteousnesse to grow upon that fatall Tree.

FINIS.

Errata.

Pag 6. line 13. dele Peter. p. 9. l. 12. r. yeares since. l. 26 r. have not been.

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