A
Friendly Conference between the suffering Saints for Conscience-sake, the
Jacobites; particularly
R. L. R. F. A. S. Bishop of
Salisbury, and the rest of the suffering Brethren met at —
R. L.
HOW fare your bodies, Brethren? for I know you are men of sense, and think not of Souls as essential parts of you. For my part I am
Heart sick.
R. F.
Before
Jove, I am far from being Heart-whole.
Saepius quam Euripus recurrit dolor.
A. S.
This is a catching Distemper among us now: I think not one of the Company is well
there.
Mr. H. Let us take up the Bible then, or the best of Books next to it, the
Common-Prayer Book, and read something to comfort us.
R. L.
Bible!
bibble, babble, I never thought that Book good for any thing, but to make Folk humoursome: And for the Common-Prayer Book (the best cheating Book that was) I cannot endure it since the Usurper's Name got into it, and jostled out the King's. Pray call for a Pack of Cards, and a chearful Cup, and then by G— I am for you.
R. F.
I say the same: and would swear by G—too, were I sure there were any: and would curse the Prince
[Page 6]of
Orange, and all his Adherents, to the Devil, were I sure there was any such Creature.
A. S.
Fie, Gentlemen,
fie, talk not so profanely and atheistically. We are Fellow-sufferers for Conscience-sake; and if at any time we be sober, it should be now.
R. L.
Is Saul also among the Prophets? What are you become
a Saint, and my
Brother in Christ? Come, Sir,
every Man as be likes: If you care not for
Cups or
Cards, we will call for a
Woman for you. None but Fools talk of Conscience,
the old stale Topick of Rebellion. It is a
Bedlam thing, and the ingenious
P. laught it away with an
As the Fool thinketh, so the Bell clinketh.
A. S.
What makes you to talk thus to me of a Woman?
R. L.
We have, Man, been told long since, That tho you pretended to leave the N. C. in
P. for refusing the Oath of Allegiance to the
Spark, (as we call'd him in the last intended Assassination) you left it for a
base Child. That after an Anabaptist's Wife desir'd you to baptize her Child (unknown to her Husband) you baptiz'd the Child, and lay with the Mother, a great Scandal to the Cause of Pedobaptism. That you, when the Spark was expected to land, look'd out for a fair Wind, and asked Mr.
W. and others,
Is there any hope the Prince will land? if he do not, we are all undone. We thank your natural Child for your company. So that they that knew you there say you are a great R—.
A. S.
In plain terms you are no little one, thus to reflect.
Mr.
H. In plainer terms, both may be true, and between our selves is so. But what if Brother
S. had a Bastard? the great Apostle of the Scottish Presbyterians had a Bastard, as I printed in describing that Tribe.
Mr. — Yes, printed it, but could never prove it to my knowledg, when question'd for it, unless it were before his Conversion, when a Member of our Church.
[Page 7]They grant, a Convert-maker in their Church might first be a Bastard-maker in ours. You could not prove this any more than another Story, That
the most learned Presbyterians in London
acknowledged Duke Lauderdale
to be a pious Man. When no sober Churchman (or prosane either) could so believe, disown'd by a Parliament for corrupting his King, and other Villanies. As you have worded the Story of
Rutherford, it is false: If he had a slip before he was accounted so
learned, pious, and
angelical among them (tho they cannot find he ever had any) was it fair to twit St.
Austin with his base Child before his Conversion, whom in his
Confessions he calls
Adeodorus?
A. S.
Why reflect you on King
Charles the Second, of
blessed Memory? If he kept Women, you know who preach'd before him on that Text:
Was not Solomon
beloved of his God, yet Women drew away his Heart—. He made it clear, That this is no parting Sin between God and Man, especially a King. Tho I confess
Solomon never kept another Man's Wife, never a
Castlemain in the company of his Concubines.
Mr.
H.
I heard the Story, but like it not; for one Gentleman as he then came out of Church, said,
There was nothing in Religion—.
R. F.
He said never the worse, if you like it not: I say, It was the wisest word ever that Man said in his life. I was inclinable to think so, when I
canted, and
ton'd, and
whin'd among the Phanaticks; but I am much more confirmed since I turn'd
Jacobite, and came among you.
Mr.
H.
I say this was scandalous; as was what that Bishop said to one of the King's Whores, weeping for a dead Child, Madam, be not too much troubled,
God can soon send you another—. I tell you these are great Sins, and it is a Duty not to justify them.
R. L.
By
Hercules, What a Cant is here about
Sin and
Duty! It is enough to give a man a stool to hear such Twit-twats: Come, for an
Huzza; or the old Trinity we gloried in twenty Years since, of
Wit, Wine, and
Women—
R. F.
Yes, by my
Faith, you speak now to purpose.
R. L.
You have broke the Order already, to talk of
Faith.
R. F.
Pish, that is but
Vulgariter, as the Atheist in
France, when burnt as such, said, when he cry'd, feeling the Flames,
O God— Doth any man think, that any Bishop of ours had so little wit to be a
John the Baptist at the Court, to lose his Head? If he had, I would have taken it up as a Calves head.
Mr.
H.
For God's sake, Gentlemen, be more politick than thus to talk; for if any Phanatick should know this Discourse, they would hate us more than they do.
R. F.
I never did any one thing for God's sake, nor will not be guilty of no such a piece of Phanaticism now to begin; but thousands of things for the Devil's sake; or if you will, all things for my own sake, and not one thing for any one else. I know the Phanaticks better than you; for their hatred of us, on due information of our Morals, is so great it is not capable of any addition. And seeing you would be Saintish too, they say, your Character of no man is to be regarded, and that your Pride is intolerable, and made them unlearned men, except Mr.
Pool and Mr.
How. You that make them
Fools, say they, fly in the Face of
God too, and have said, that
he knew not whether Men should be saved or damned till they died. If
Vorstius, or a few more, denied Prescience (supposing a God) I think it folly and madness.
Mr.
H.
Who said thus? Mr.
T. M. He once wrote me a Letter (two years after he left me) to give me thanks for my Arguments inducing him to Conformity; and as I lately told him, I have often mention'd the Story. What
good a Man may do by words he thinks not regarded; and—
Mr. —
Stop, Sir. He said then to you, He was positive in it. He never wrote you such a Letter when he was awake; and if he did it in a sleep, he supposeth you received it in a dream. That he never conformed; had Presbyterian Ordination; never us'd Cross, or Surplice, or our Form of Baptism, only sometimes read Common-Prayer as other
Noncons did, when he had
privileged places seven years; nay sometimes us'd none of the
Liturgy. This made him the more doubt your Answer to his Question,
Whether you did your best to save the Life of your Brother John Hicks? His own Son's Letter to the contrary signified but little to him, who knows what he is. He was a
proud Ape, he says,
once, and
odious as such. If Dr.
Calamy call'd his Father an
Old Rogue; how much or little a conforming Son might be concerned for the death of a Nonconforming Father, he knows not. He denies, That your Charge is true. He said not,
You did not your best, but only doubted it, and thought you or others must have so understood him. You answer,
You did. And seeing you protested, in the presence of Almighty God, you did your best (and Mr.
Lobb told him he was satisfied you did); he hath given it under his hand to you, That he charitably hopes you did, and will so declare to others; but says, the Reasons of his Doubts were these.
1. He was sure you lov'd not your Brother; would speak of him with unusual contempt, and visited him not (as he complain'd) when last in
London; you, as he phrased it, went up and down in your
Wheelbarrow
[Page 10](Coach) and regarded him not, tho once he help'd to maintain you, as he said.
2. In a printed Letter of Mr.
John Hicks he hath these words: I have written to your Uncle
George to intercede for me: but I cannot hear from him. Or to this purpose.
3. It was reported, you then said, If he would not subscribe to a Confession sent him, you would not intercede.
4. That your Books discover your bloody Principles, and you were justly accounted one of the greatest Enemies to the Dissenters in the three Kingdoms; and therefore might not care for your own Brother, because such, tho so much a Gentleman every way. No Fool, as you were wont to call him.
R. L.
D—me, What a long Story have we heard of a
damn'd Fanatick and
Rebel, as before forsooth of
Sin and
Duty! Drawer, bring us up the best Wine you have.
Drawer.
Yes Sir,
and a pretty Wench.
R. F.
This is to the purpose; this is Preachment worth a hearing. Come, shut the Door;
Here is a Health to King James, another to
Queen Mary, another to
the Prince of Wales, another to
the Confusion of the little Man of the Hague, and
all his Adherents—
R. L.
About with it, brave Boys, again and again.
A. S.
Come, Gentlemen, the time is come to read Prayers.
R. L.
Pox on't, you should have brought the Book sooner, whilst we were all sober.
A. S.
If I should never read Prayers, but when all the Company were sober, it would never be done; drunk, or sober, I will read.
Reform, we pray thee, these perjur'd Nations. Restore to us thy Servant King James
our lawful Sovereign. In the mean time comfort him in all his Adversity and Sufferings.
[Page 11]Bless the Queen and Prince of Wales. And—
R.F.
Nay stop, speed in one thing before you ask more. I believe more than one are of Brother
B's mind in
Somerset, That had he thought King James
would have been so long a coming, he would have better considered it before he had left his place for him. Besides, what talk you of Prayer? If there be a God, we cannot believe he regards our Prayers. King
James will never return, unless you give over praying for it. I remember I have heard of a Parson that would often pray in the Pulpit for his Patron; who one day said, Mr. Parson, I beg one Kindness of you.
What is that? said he. Leave me out of your Prayers; for I can never hear that you pray for me, but I have always a terrible fit of the Gout after it. But what says your
Grace, my Lord of
Salisbury?
A. S.
Would I had a good Parsonage: A Bird in the Hand is worth two in the Bush. Hope delayed maketh the Heart sad. Were my Wife the only Woman that wanted with her Children, I would not care; but, oh, there are others of the
Fair Sex—.
R. L.
I advise you, as an old Man, go into some corner of the Land where you are not known, and conform; swear to the Usurper, but be sure break your Oath by the first opportunity.
R. F.
Stay, let him not be too hasty; let us see what will be the end of Plotting first. For my part I may say to the Spark what she did to
Jason,
‘Adeone credit omne consumptum nefas?’
If King
James should return and find us
Williamites, we have spun a fair Thread. But can you tell, Mr.
H. what makes that unsanctified Villain
T. M. you talkt of but now, to write of late by way of
Dialogue, which is by many accounted no fair way of writing. You know
[Page 12]the Dialogue between
R. and
F.
Mr.
H.
He says thus in defence of himself.
1. That
Patrick's Friendly Debates were all approved of by us, tho foully managed by him this way.
2. That he blames not any of ours that write this way, if they bring in an Adversary in his best dress. He thinks the
Dialogue between
Irenaeus and
Novatus (done by
Fisher the blind Man of
Cambridg) to be one of the shrewdest Books written for the Church of
England.
3. This was the antient way of
Plato, &c. and pructis'd also of late by others, besides Mr.
Pool, against Papists,
&c.
R. L.
Hang the Church of
England: I was hastning to the Church of
Rome as fast as I could, but I broke my Shins by the way; the Prince of
Orange trig'd me, and many more. For my part I cannot believe any be such Fools to die at a Stake, or any other way, for Religion, that contrive King
James his return. No doubt he will bring a French Wheel with him.
R. F.
In troth I think we are all of us too wet to burn: But tell me in good earnest,
Roger, Did you ever in the least doubt whether the Earl of
Antrim had a Commission from King
Charles the First, for what he did in the Irish Rebellion? Or whether King
James had a hand in burning the City?
&c.
R. L.
Do you think me mad to doubt it? No, no, the worst was, he had not countenanced a Massacre in
England too, and King
James had not burnt more Cities than one. But what say the Phanaticks of us now?
R. F.
They admire Providence, that hath made us at last by our practice to justify them. We are now the Dissenters, and refuse to come to Common Prayer in the Steeple houses, (for so we may now call them) because we like not a Prayer or two, when they could not be excused that liked not one in the Book: They
[Page 13]say, must we escape as we do, who refuse to swear Allegiance to their King, as no lawful one, when they were in Goals for Noncompliance to Ceremonies, tho they swore to our King? They say what is true. Now some of us have thrown up the Doctrine of Non-resistance, as well as the new Bastard Church of
England. Others deny it to be any Work of a King to make Bishops, or unmake them; or to silence Ministers,
&c.
Mr.
H.
Remember what the Wise man saith,
There is a time—.
R. L.
Stay,
the Wise man! Who do you mean, of
Malmsbury? who had more wit in his little Finger than he (that I doubt you mean) had in all his Body.
Solomon is the Fool's Wise man, but the Wise man's Fool. O the depth that is in
Leviathan, and the best description of Religion in the World. An
Awe begotten in the minds of Men from Tales publickly told. Come what Religion will, the old Fox shall never get our Names in his Martyrology. Indeed he must excuse us, D—me.
Mr.
H.
I will kick you down stairs if you thus talk before me, and d—so.
R. L.
I will stop then, whilst this fit of Zeal or fanatical Fury is on you: For I remember the story of the Quaker, That
Yea and Nay kickt D—
me down stairs.
Mr.
H.
Will you hear me reason with you?
R. L.
No not I, with your long-winded stile, like
Jovian, which we as well as the Phanaticks complain'd of as
tedious and
contradictory: And he said right, that said, Either
you had no Friend, or would not use him—. You could not print
Kid and
Kings dying Speeches, but run, none knows where; when one complain'd of motions to evil, whether the
Motus primo primi were evil,
&c. For my part I think, if any Pope were infallible, it was he that said,
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‘Quantum nobis profuit haec de Christe fabula?’
If I could believe a Devil, and a Hell, I should think with King
Charles the Second of blessed Memory, for
Whoredoms, Perjuries, and
Infidelity, That Calvin
sat at the Devil's right hand in Hell, and Oliver Cromwell
at the left.
R. F.
Talk of other things. What think you,
R. of the Doctrine of Resistance? Is it so black, so unusual as you said? When I was an Antimonarchical Man, a Whig, and then
Williamite, I thought it not so, neither can I now. For my part I say of King
James, as other good Loyal men do,
I care not if the Devil brought him back so we could get him. When you were Old
Nol's Fidler, and were for deposing Kings, did you then, and I after, talk without Book?
R. L.
Between our selves I will tell you my mind. Nothing is more evident, than that the old
Romans (in the best Government in the World) depos'd their Kings, Emperors,
&c. Romulus the very Founder of
Rome, and first King, was slain in the Senate for his
proud Spirit. Florus can hardly forbear speaking it out,
Ob asperius ingenium— notwithstanding the Fiction of
Julius Proculus his seeing him after his death, and that he commanded the People to worship him. They all along depos'd, banish'd, and put to death Tyrannical Princes.
Tarquinius Superbus (as well as
Jacobus Superbus) after he discover'd his Cruelty, by striking off
Poppy's heads, and other Pranks, was forced to flee to
Porsenna King of the
Etruscans, who helpt him to a great Army, but in vain. Tho not he, but
Arunta ravisht
Lucretia, yet the Father must flee for the Son's wickedness. So King
James went to the French King, and all Attempts to bring him back are in vain. This is a lively Transcript of that story. He that reads
Suetonius and other Authors,
[Page 15]will find Subjects singing,
Tiberium ad Tyberim.—
A. S.
I doubt not but when King
James in his last Speech to our Senators, said often, His Will should take place, contrary to the Test, and other Laws: If he had had his due,
Julius Cesar with his 24 Wounds in the Senate-house had lookt more lovely than he.
R. F.
We have all sworn to secresy in speaking our minds: No one hears us. You know
Vitellius was with a Spear held up by the Chin when the People flung dirt on him. And the Bones of
Caius Caligula were melted by the Order of the Senate after his death, who said to his Mother disswading him from Injustice,
‘Memento mihi omnia in omnes licere.’
No doubt King
James could with him have wish'd all the People of
England (as he of
Rome) had but one Neck,
that he might cut it off at a blow. His Nurse did not in vain put Blood on her Nipples when she gave him suck. He paid dear for his
‘Optimum olere occisum hostem, melius sivem.
Sueton.’
Mr.
H.
O, Gentlemen, talk you as Non-resisters?
R. L.
When we did, we only talkt as such: as you Preachers have your Priestcraft, so some Statesmen theirs.
Mr.
H.
Whatever King
James hath done, he hath made many fair Promises to us Protestants on his Return.
R. L.
Protestants —,
Quodlibetarians we ever were and will be.
A. S.
Yes, promiseth just perhaps as that Roman Catholick, that in a Storm promised the Virgin
Mary a Candle as big as a Mast, but after would give one of
[Page 16]ten to the pound. It is a French Proverb,
After a storm the Saint is forgotten: These are my fears sometimes.
Claudius Cesar would condemn a Man, and after send for him and play at
Chess with him, and then hang him the next day.
Mr.
H.
If after the Storm the Saint is forgotten, then let them who are no Saints, but the greatest haters, maligners, and persecutors of them, never expect to be remembred.
R. L.
But seeing we are for once playing the honest Men, and speaking our hearts, (I know not when we shall again) pray, Gentlemen, what think you of the Prince of
Orange, you Mr.
F. whom you once
magnified, and afterwards
vilified?
R. F.
Gentlemen, I cannot forbear thinking him to be one of the
best of Men, one of the
best of Princes, who would rather be
lov'd than
fear'd. All the World knows he is one of the greatest Souldiers in it, (as King
James is one of the greatest Cowards) he was not for an
He illic, but
Venite hic: And as another,
Ego vester, Vos mei. With
Antoninus Pius, he is a
Cynici Sector, and searcheth into things. He is so politick, as if with
Domitian he had every where his
Phengites: He can see what is done behind him, as well as before him, as we too well know. I can never get, or long keep preferment under such a King; I wish therefore King
James his Return, tho I am not such a Fool as to say with
Agrippa, when she was told
Nero would reign, but would kill her,
Occidat, modo imperet; Hang him before I should have such a thought, I am sure it cannot be said of me. I am neither
Guelph nor
Gibeline, I have been both. Those two Dutch Brethren acted, one for the Emperor, the other for the Pope; I can do all the Feats my self, allow me time. Now, what think you of the Prince of
Wales? was King
James guilty, and of the Design with
France?—
R. L.
I will tell you a Story that every Man doth not know.
A plain Man among the Dissenters, seeing the King walking in a melancholy Fit at the Success of the Prince, be came up to him, and said, Sir, be advised by a plain Man; If you are not guilty about the birth of the Prince of Wales,
&c. never stir, a hair of your head will not fall to the ground: But if guilty, go away as soon as you can and save your life. (This Dissenter was often with him before.) K.
James went away a day or two after. I doubt not in the least but we had had the French Government and Religion too ere this time had he staid. But I am
clean Paper, Kings may write what they will on me. I hate all Religion, and look on it as
a Cheat.
Mr.
H.
Pray, Sir, give over, you may with
Rochester cry out before you die,
O that God had made me a Toad crawling in a Ditch; or that I had been a Link-boy, rather than what I was when I scoft at Religion! God, no doubt, had mercy on him, I wish he may on you. Remember
Buckingham's Cry,
O that God would give me a heart to repent! but I cannot repent: I am undone to all Eternity.
R. L.
Pray, Sir, hold your tongue; I think you are such a Prophet in Divinity, as in Politicks. You know you told the World, in that wordy Book
Jovian; That notwithstanding all that you had said for Non-resistance of a Popish Arbitrary Prince, yet the people of England
had as good security for their Religion and Civil Rights as any could desire: for,
1.
It must be suppos'd Princes are Men of Conscience as well as others.
2.
The Duke of York
in particular was a Man who never broke his Word, and had made many Promises to the Church of England.
3.
The strength of our Laws, Test, &c.
4.
The danger his Ministers would be in, that should act contrary to Law after his decease. I cannot exactly write your words, it is above fifteen years since I read
[Page 18]the Book. Now you know you were hooted at by Church Tories as well as Whigs, when the Bishops were sent to the
Tower, &c. Nay you there ask, Whether it could be suppos'd the Duke of
York was a Papist, who in
Scotland had a Protestant Minister to say Grace at his Table? tho so many Parliaments had declared him so long before to be a Papist, and propos'd
Bills of Exclusion against him, because as such he had countenanced the Popish Plot. This sticks, according to the French Proverb (for you are frenchified too as well as I)
as the Dirt of Paris: For
Lutetia a Luto. Hold you your peace—. And what is your Opinion my Lord of
Salisbury, of the new Church of
England? May it please your Grace to tell us in a few words.
A. S.
Her
Priests are Jeroboams
Priests; It is an Apostate Church. Sherlock is a notorious Apostate with his
Providential King, (tho he talkt after
Sanderson with his Providential Government, when he wickedly pleaded for taking the Engagement);
Burnet is a temporizer; not only they, but
William Penn and other active Quakers are apostatized too, tho we and they, with some Roman Catholicks, once took sweet counsel together.
R. L.
Never be concern'd; for many Clergy-men, that have sworn Allegiance to the little Man of the
Hague, have since answer'd King
James, that they did it only to be in a greater capacity of serving him: And some of them you know have written to us, with a
God be merciful to us Sinners—. Tho we have been (as the Phanaticks say lately) taken as wild Birds, or Birds of Prey from fleeing in the open Air, taking the lesser but best Birds, and have been clapt up in a Cage together: Yet,
‘Qui nil potest sperare, desperet nibil.
Sen. Med.’
Si fortuna volet, fies de Rhetore Consul:
Si volet hac eadem, fies de Consule Rhetor.
Juv.
Mr.
H.
O but little hopes now is left, whatever was in the time of the War. Now is a time of Peace, occasion'd by the Valour and Wisdom of Prince of
Orange: And I cannot but grant God's Blessing with both, as
if the Golden Age were return'd again:
Non Galeae, non ensis erat: sine militis usu
Mollia securae peragebant otia gentes.
However, the beginning of this Usurpation (and long continuance) was troublesome, yet the
Williamites are now ready to sing,
Nocte pluit tota: redeunt spectacula mane.
Divisum imperium cum Jove Caesar habet.
R. F.
Give not over all hope—.
A. S.
‘
Qui spe aluntur, pendent, non vivant.’
Sometimes I have hope; I do already in many places
look, and
act with such
state (tho a very poor Man's Son, and a poor Serviture in
Oxford) as if I were already consecrated, and sat down in my Episcopal Chair: We have found King
James to be
Rex Diabolorum, as all Kings of
England are said to be.
R. L.
I swear he might well be said to be so, that hath no better Subjects than we. Come, come, a Health to the Confusion of the Fanaticks, and to the worst sort of them; the now call'd
Church of England, the
perjur'd King-dethroning Church: Here is an Epitaph made for her long ago (and you know by whom) when
T. the Archbishop was alive, who was never Christned.
Hic jacet Ecclesia Anglicana,
Cujus Rex Batavus,
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Cujus Patriarcha Ethnicus
Non Romanorum, nec Fanaticorum furore
Sed propriis perjuriis obruta,
&c.
R. L.
The Devil take them, and their Prayers too; I had rather go to Mass, than to the Common. Prayer as now read. They that thirsted for the Blood of the
Monmouthians because Resisters, thirst for ours as Nonresisters; they can blow hot and cold. These turncoat, weathercock, temporising Rogues, when they read Prayers twice a day for King
James, That
he might live long in Health and Wealth, and that God would strengthen him to vanquish and overcome all his Enemies, would presently go out and say,
God send the Prince of Orange—
else we are all undone. I believe I should say in my Conscience (but that I have lost it, or never had it) that the Turkish Mustees are honester Men than the now Bishops, Clergy-men and Gentiemen that swear to the Usurper. Had we been Resisters, they would have hang'd us as such, had King
James prevail'd: and now for being Non-resisters they would hang us as such, seeing the Usurper hath prevail'd. The Devil choak them, for no
Prayers nor
Oaths can do it. The Phanaticks are Angels in comparison of them. If ever King
James return, I would as willingly cut their Throats, if he gave me a Commission, as ever the Catholicks in
Ireland by a Commission from his Father, (that glorious Martyr-maker of blessed Memory) did cut the Throats (or worse) of the Protestants there. Before G— I would not spare a Man of them; no, tho I knew the Rogues would read
any Prayers, take
any Oath, preach
any thing as opposite to their late Prayers, Oaths, and Preaching (especially in their profane, ungodly God-provoking Fast days, and Thanksgiving days) as the two Poles in the Heavens one to another. We are all of one mind in this, never to take the Sacrament, living or dying, rather than receive it of such
Jeroboam's Priests.
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Mr. — I profess, Gentlemen, you talk at such a wicked rate, that would make a Jew, Mahometan, or any sober Pagan, to blush. You have talkt as if the Blessed Saviour of the World were as very an Impostor as
Benchocab, or
Sabbata Sevi. I believe the Truth and Authority of the Holy Scriptures, and wish you did too. Were you willing to be convinced, I would ask you,
- 1. Whether you believe this World had once a beginning, and shall in time have an end? Hath it been more millions of Years of Ages than are Drops of Water in the Sea, or Sand on the Sea-shore? (and can all Men give but an account of one poor six thousand Years?) or shall it continue so?
- 2. Did not some cogitative, contriving Being, make all these things in their beauty, order and use, for some end? All things were made for Man, Man for God, who hath made no Creature but him capable of the knowledg of himself, or thoughtful of a Life to come?
- 3. Are not Scripture-Accounts of the twelve Tribes, the Passover, confirmed by what we see and know to this day? (About the Passover you know, who in a little thing against
Deism hath lately improv'd.)
- 4. Are not the certain Discoveries we have of Apparitions, Witches, evident proof of Devils, and after Punishments?
- 5. Is not the postibility, much more the probability, much more the certainty of a Life to come, enough to awaken Men to the greatest activity for God, and against Sin?
- 6. Ask your selves, whether you did not long ago resolve to live the Life of Brutes, and then set your heads to work to help you to Notions, that you might hope to die their death? Do you not hate Convictions, and dread them as Men a Ghost? Is it reason enough to grow desperate, and say,
Things may be otherwise?
- 7. Do not Men when they die, wish they had liv'd
[Page 22]the Life of the Righteous? Do you not believe, if you were sure now to die, you would wish so too, and give us all that counsel you laugh at from me.
- 8. Doth not a holy, useful Life, make Men Men, or God-like Creatures; and a sensual blaspheming Life make Men as Beasts or Devils?
- 9. I dare appeal from your Mouths to your Consciences, whether you do not by day (but often by night, when out of company or business) pronounce that Man happy in your thoughts, who hath gotten above the tyranny of filthy Lust, Drunkenness, Whoredoms, Oppressions,
&c. and that Man most miserable that hath not, but like your selves, is captivated by them?
- 10. After all Attempts to dispute your Souls into Mortality, and Christ and Heaven into a Fable, do you not find that good kind Spirit of Grace yet to court you, as if he would take no denial, that you often resolve on a Reformation? then this day; when that comes, then at another time. Wherefore I pray you, after so long a time,
whilst it is yet call'd to day, turn you, turn you, why will you die? The case is not desperate, tho dangerous. I know,
Can the Ethiopian change his Skin, or the Leopard his Spots? or you do good which are accustomed to do evil? I doubt, as they scoft at Jesus, and the Apostles, and thought them besides themselves, so may you deal with me; but Charity bids me hope the best, and, I pray—
R. L.
Shut the door, shut the door; else if any
true hearts should come in, they will think here is a Phanatical Meeting, and that we are all turning Diffenters, and so
Williamites on a sudden.
R. F.
We all no doubt have had our time of being
Priest-ridden: for my part I have made an Agreement with my self long ago, that I will be so no more, and I believe so have you done. If there be a Heaven, I am sure I shall never go there; and if there be a Hell, I am sure that will be my Portion, and therefore I will trouble my self no further.
A. S.
I am sometimes almost perswaded to be a Christian indeed: But, O—
Mr.
H.
I wish you were altogether perswaded to be such.
R. L.
I would desire him, if he take your advice, to take mine too. If he resolve to be a good Christian, let him resolve never to be Bishop of
Salisbury. For a good Christian and a Bishop are seldom (if ever) known to meet in one Man. And seeing you talk of Religion, which mars all Conversation, it is time to break up the Meeting. A
Plague on't, should I stay longer, I know not but I may catch the Infection, and talk, if not think, like a Phanatick too. Farewel; I hope our next meeting will be a better one than this, that is a more jovial one. I believe all Preachers publick Chears, and you among the rest. You preach'd, as I printed, for Money; or as he that was promis'd ten Pounds, left by Madam
Cheswell, the greatest Whore in this City, to preach her Funeral Sermon; but on this condition, that he should commend her. He undertook it, and in the close of the Sermon said; All was
well, for she was be gotten well, born well, liv'd well, and died well: for she, said he, was begotten in
Camberwell, was born in
Sbadwell; her Name was
Cheswell, and she liv'd in
Clarkenwell, and died in
Bridewell; and so, Sirs, farewel. I'll tell you, old
Nol's Fidler was not the only Man that would fiddle for Money.
To the sober and
truly conscientious
Jacobites (for such there are) tho deluded ones.
I Know you have been impos'd on in the two last Reigns by designing Clergymen and Statesmen about Nonresistance; and you call'd this New
Turcism Old
Christianity. I have compassion on you, because I once imbib'd your Notions, and was a great pleader for them twenty Years since, hearing and reading so many Discourses about it. But the Political Catechism first made me at a stand, and greater Writers fully convinced after.
Some of you appeared at first in the Cause of K.
William, and rejoiced for the Successes he had, when you knew what King
James did to some of you, and intended to do to all: But now they seem to repent, and plead that of the Wise Man,
Oppression maketh wise Men mad; when some of us answered them, that Oppression rather then made
mad Men wise. I know you are not infected with Atheism, who when you urge the Instance of
Abraham, the twelve Patriarchs, the deliverance of Israel
out of Egypt
through the Red Sea and Wilderness into Canaan,
The Miracles and Resurrection of Christ, to prove the Truth of their Religion, shall
meck, and say to this or the like effect.
So we read how
Saturn swallowed up a Stone given by
Ops his Wife instead of
Jupiter: and afterwards by a Drink she gave him, vomited up his two Sons
Neptune and
Pluto. How
Bacchus was taken out of
Jupiter's Thigh, and therefore called
Bimater. How when
Juno was jealous of
Lecherous Jove, she made
Argus to watch him who had Eyes before and behind: The old Fornicator made
Mercury play him asleep, and then slew him;
[Page 25]for which
Juno turn'd
Argus into a Peacock. That
Mercury was the Messenger of the Gods, the God of
Eloquence, Physicians, and
Thieves too, by his cunning stealing Sheep from
Apollo, and was the guider of Souls to Hell.
Mereuri foecunde Nepos Atlantis,
&c.
Horace.
He hath all this in few words. And this Infection they got by reading these Fables (monstrous vile Stories) in Schools when young; against which practice Mr.
Norris hath well written in his
Conduct of Humane Life, as others before him. How many of you loath the Name of
Roger L'Estrange who led you hoodwink'd to the Gates of
Rome?
Beware of all Scepticks among you, who ridicule Religion, as if nothing certain. Would you disregard History on any such Pretences? I have often thought of the various Opinions about
Cesar, why so call'd
Leigh speaks of. Some said from
Caesarie, his Bush of Hair with which he was born: Some a
cecis oculis, from his gray Eyes: Some a
ceso Elephanto, because he flew an Elephant: Some
ceso matris utero, because they say he was ript out of his Mother's Belly, (the like is said of
Edward the Sixth, but question'd by Dr.
Burnet in his
History of the Reformation) when it may be after all it is a Primitive word. So may
[...] be, for ought I know, for all what is said about its derivation, will it follow the History of
Caesar is therefore a Fable, and that there is no God?
Rochester, Oldham, or such vile Poems, shall be read more than Scripture: Would all did as little care, for the former, as he himself before he died, who caused them to be burnt before him; or as the pious wise Nonconforming Father of the latter (whom I knew) who cares not to see the Book, or hear of it.
Let them get but a little Story, as of the
Wilde Poet, and
Lilly the Astrologer, when
C. Love was beheaded in a terrible day of Thunder, Lightning,
&c. Wilde made
[Page 26]the Heavens put on mourning, to weep and groan;
Lilly to shoot off his Cannons for joy such a Traytor's Head was upon the Block, they laught at Providence.
I know, to your commendation, you love the Persons, Piety, and Books of holy Bishop
Ʋsher, Bp
Hall, Mr.
Bolton, and other great Men, tho accounted Puritanical. You that will not be laught out of your Health, nor Money, be not so out of Religion, good Company, or Heaven. I cannot but value you, being conscientious Non-jurors, more than such as have complied only for preventing Trouble, or getting Preferment. Most of them are content with the saving Conformity, (such as Mr.
L. of
Exon, &c.) some for getting Conformity, such as Dean
S. and others. I pray you, Brethren, (for I refuse not yet so to call you, as true serious Protestants)
Make it your daily Work herein, to exercise your selves to have Consciences void of Offence towards God, and towards Man. So, if any of you need my Charity, you should have it, whilst not Plotters, and live peaceable Men.
You say of the Jurors, they are a pack of Knaves; and they say of the Non-jurors, they are a pack of Fools, and perhaps both say true: But however it is better be a Fool than a Knave at any time. Had all the Non-resisters been Non-jurors, Nonconformists had been long ago in our publick Churches; then had the King seen no longer his Enemies preferr'd, and Friends supptest; but his Enemies supprest, and Friends preferr'd. Would in any Dialogue between
Satan and
Sherlock, the Devil had never helpt him to a rotten distinction of a
Providential King, or a
King de Facto only (after Dr.
Sanderson) which still made the best of Kings a Usurper; but got him preferment, and that was enough. I do believe, on long and close observation, that there is not one Dissenter to five, but is guilty, either of notorious Covetousness (which is idolatry) or of an implacable,
[Page 27]irreconcileable, unforgiving Spirit (which Christ makes a certain sign of not being forgiven by God) or of officious Lies to further Trade, (which is not consistent with common Honesty, much less Christian Piety) or secret Drunkenness, if not Uncleanness, (and such cannot inherit the Kingdom of God) or of secret Insidelity, which makes them so cold in works of Piety and Charity; and that that Man knows them not, who will always trust them because they are Dissenters. Yet I do as firmly, and heardily, and impartially believe, that where there is one Man in the Church of
England that hath gotten above these reigning Lusts, there are ten Dissenters that have so done; and this I think on as long and close observation of them every where, as of the Dissenters. And I do also believe, that where one
Jacobite is serious and upright, ten Churchmen are so.
You cannot but know, that your Gracious Sovereign, when Duke of
York, ever hated an Englishman, and said, England
was a good Country, if new peopled. And that
if he thought he had one spoonful of English Blood running in his Veins, he would not be quiet till he had let it out. But no wise Man that observ'd times and seasons, believ'd he had any there. His Brother (by the Mother) might be honestly begotten—K.
James owed his Crown to
Coleman's Halter.