A DEFENCE OF THE LAWFVL CALLING OF THE MINISTERS OF REFORMED CHVRCHES, AGAINST THE CAVILLATIONS OF ROMANISTS.

Whereto is subjoined, AN EPISTLE TO A RECVSANT, FOR CLEARING AND MAINTAINING SOME POINTS of the former treatise of defence, challenged by a Roman Elymas Bar-Iesus-it.

WITH A SHORT DISCOVERY OF THE ADVERSARIE his dottage in his impertinent and rediculously deceitfull demands.

BY PATRIK FORBES, of Coirse.

Read ye never in the Scriptures, the stone which the builders refused, the same is made the head of the corner? This was the Lords doing and it is merveilous in our eies, Math. 21.42.

Printed at Middelburgh, by Richard Schilders, dwelling in the langen Delft, at the signe of the Olyphant. Anno 1614.

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TO THE RIGHT WORSHIPFVL MY TENDER KINSMAN AND DEARE BROTHER IN CHRIST, VVILLIAM STRACHIN,
OF TIPPERTIE, GRACE and peace in our Lord Iesus Christ.

RIGHT Worshipfull and dearely be­loved both in the flesh & in the Lord, when, not long agoe, your love led you to come and visit me, I was, vpon the occasion even then offered, a pen­ning of this little piece: whereof you craving earnestly, at that time, a copy, and having, there­with told me how you had left my tender kinsman and your owne faithfull friend Maister Thomas Michel Mi­nister of the Gospel of Christ, lying sick of an ague: I co­venanted with you, that, with the first, who from you should bring me assurance of his cōvalescing, you shuld in recompence of so good tidings, report a copy heere­of. Which accordingly, God to him, you to me, and I to you performed. And whereof you had then a hastelie catched copy, I now send you the principall: and, so, I doe send it, as dedicated to your name that whither so­ever it shall happen to come, yea if possibly it may befal any so farre to fansie it, as, by print, to publish it to the world, yet it may alwayes cary with it this frontepiece, for a monument of our mutuall affection, & that singu­lar regard I have you in: not onely for our conjunction in blood, and these many courtesies and kindly offices [Page] wherof you wearie not to hold me still more and more your debtor: but, much more, for these rare christiā ver­tues, which, in you, are so much the more cōmendable, as, vailed vnder sweet and christiā modestie, and, in sin­glenes eying God, and carefully attending on a good cōscience, they never were curious, either to be knowen of men, or to currie the applause of the world. Albeit I very well know, that your sincere heart towards God, & constant care of walking christianly with all men, have bred you both the losse of great carnal, and yet but car­nal friends, and also, many apparant worldly disadvan­tages. In all which losse, your incōparable commoditie is both huge, in the purchase of that one thing which only is to be sought for, and also, passing praise worthy: in that neither any break of duetie to the one, neither a­nie errour of iudgement, or defect of prudent and dili­gent endeavour, in the other, but a free choise of mind, to forgoe willingly, what you could have easilie either holden or acquired, if you would, but therefore would not for that, in conscience, you ought not, hath made you to count light of such thinges, as the men of this world, madly running after, doe lose both them selves and all these things also: and yet heerein the Lord hath dealt so indulgently with you, as you cannot, but, to the praise of his goodnes and truth, acknowledge the verity of his promise, in a hundreth fold gain, euen in this lyfe. When the other yeare, I was dwelling by you, and, so, was delighted with that sweet conversation and happy fellowshippe, which I can never record but both with regret and ioy, you remēber, that, one day, Maister Tho­mas Michel brought Iohn Fraser his chalenge to the Mi­nisters of Scotland: which, albeit some yeares ere then, it had bene abroad in our countrie, yet I had never seen [Page] nor heard of, before that time: And, after I had read it, he told me how grealty our countrie-Papists did glorie thereof: And, that so much the more as it had receaved no answer: they imputing that to the strength of their owne, and imbecillitie of our cause: he willed me to cō ­sider if it were not expedient to say something thereto, I answered him then, that they had not great matter of insulting, for any stuffe which was in that treatise: wher­to to make any answer it were but to maintain an end­les iangling with men who would never be ashamed to repone vnto vs one and the same, a hundreth times, re­cocted crambe. that nothing was in him which our mē had not often answered: besides, that, whatsoever might have bene done at the first outcōming thereof, yet now when it was stale, and the author departed this life, any particular answer should appeare vorimous. But, as for the matter specially disputed by him, I was about to pu­blish my commentarie vpon the Revelation: whereby I hoped all equitable and judicious Readers should find themselves satisfied of all such doubtes, as by his sophi­stical discourse might arise even to the most simple rea­ders therof: loving much rather thus to maintain truth, then by contention of disputation. which manner the Church of God hath not, neither mind I for any Thra­sonik braggs of our adversaries to alter this resolution: though even a litle before your last visitation of me, som copies of a new treatise of theirs (inscribed a litle treatise of the Protestants profane calling, wherein is proved how they have no true Pastours, and consequently no true Church at all) sparsed here in this part of the countrie (the chiefe stage of their peirt pride) with insolent & high boasting, have thus farre in holy indignation caried me, as, in defence of our callings to pen these few pages. not, particularly [Page] to meet that their treatise, but generally, to refell both it, & whatsoever thing els of any apparant weight (in that argument) alledged by any other. I flee particular cōte­sting loving to cleare points but not to plead with per­sons: and liking to edifie all, but loathing to scold with any. Albeit, so, I might more clearly discover the chil­dish and ridiculous ignorāce of whosoever is the author of that litle treatise, and expone him more delightful to the Readers derision. but neither desire I so to dally: & I know that a Brother, before me hath vndertaken the taske to tread him & overturne him in his owne traces. This, truly, I must say, that, though in neither of the two either the first challenge or this late little treatise, there be any such thing, as may trouble the resolution of any meanly stayed mind: yet the last, for any apparant shew of skill, commeth as far short of the other, as he is, other­wayes, equall with him in high boasting and presump­tuous promising of wonders, but performing nothing at all. Receave then my dear brother, this little piece of my paines, wherein, and in ought that is mine, you may iustly claime a special interest, and receave it for a token of vpright love, as I maintain a iust cause: and howbeit that either for qualitie or quantitie it bee farre vnequall to the certain truth and great worthines of the matter: Yet, shal it, I hope, affoord you an answere heereafter to any who disdainfully insulting would aske, what say you Maisters for your callings: and to bee as good as your word once given, that, vpon covenant the deman­ders would read it, You should find an answer to that wherein they think vs put to non plus. The grace of our Lord IESVS CHRIST be with you.

Your kinsman and loving Brother in Christ P. Forbes of Coirse.

A DEFENCE OF THE LAWFVL CALLING OF THE MINISTERS OF REFORMED Churches, against the cavillations of Romanists.

TO any not well acquainted with the condition of the Church in our quar­ters, and the peert & perverse diligence of Romanistes against it (through their many and strong favourers, & in great scarcitie of able Ministers, the lōg weak resistāce made them) this piece of paines, how small soeuer, yet may perhaps appeare superfluous: in such store of both learned & large treatises already writtē, by our men, in defēce of the truth, & for overthrow of all that error can alledge against it: so, as, in adding any more a man may seeme, but vainlie, to hale the coard of conten­tion with thē who are already [...]. Which ma­ner the Church of God hath not. And as for these simple blindfolded ones, whom they lead away captive in error, this sort of labour availeth not, in that, howsoever they are readie, fide implicita, to applaude whatsoever Pamphlet put abroad by any of their men, and, insolentlie insulting, to interpret our silence to the aduantage of their owne and weaknes of our cause, yet, they stick not to professe, that, whatsoever we either writ or reply against thē, they nei­ther may nor will vouchafe to read it: but, much more in­equitable, heerein, then the fellowes of Iehu, they heare no sooner ( you know the man and what his talke was) but they con­demne it flatlie as false, & yet will not in any case (no not thereafter) heare it told them, least perhaps, vpon some re­spectes, [Page 2] they might bee moo [...]ed to alter iudgement. And, veri [...]y I was my selfe a long time of this opinion, that all [...]u [...]the [...] iangling with them was vaine: till at length, per­ce [...]v [...]ng, that not only their blinde leaders, and also their miscaried ones became, therevpon, the more insolent, but that even the resolution of some weak professours was al­so troubled: who either had not the care to read or skill to discerne, in our mens writing [...] ▪ what, sufficientlie, might haue stayed their hearts against all the obiections of the adversaries: I, then, for mine owne part, thought best, by opening vp the booke of the Revelation, to manifest so to all men (having eies) the mysterie of godlines, & that, also of iniquitie, impugning it, that the judicious and attent Reader might both be instructed against their deceit, and also made skilful to discerne so, their trumperies, that, nei­ther al the gold, skarlet, pearle, and precious stones, wher­with the whoore goeth masked, shuld hide her nakednes, not her golden cuppe cover the abominations fraudfullie propined therinto. Which, as by the helpe of God, in some measure, I performed, &, at the request of the godly, have made publik, that my p [...]ines, so, had I resolved never any more to put pen to paper, at least, in this polemick kinde of writing. But, a godlie brother, of the ministrie, sending to me of late, a litle (whither a Iesuits or Priests) Pamphlet, whereof some written copies were sparsed in the coūtrie, in the author his intent, proving the Ministers of the Pro­testant Churches to haue no lawfull calling, and that cō ­sequentlie, with vs is neither any true church, nor true Sa­cramēts: to the which he was requested by a well affected Gentleman to make an answer: and, desiring therevpon, to know my iudgement in the general question, I, accor­dingly, affoorded him a sheet of paper. at which time two or three godly Gentlemen falling to be in companie with me, and knowing of the matter, they at that time, & soone after, some of the ministry also, were instant with me, that, what, in my privat lettre to that Brother, I had shortlie pointed at, I would for common vse, somewhat more at [Page 3] length set downe: that the wel affected might have wher­wit [...] to meet the adversaries cavillations, at t [...]eir inci­dent occasions of cōference about such matter. For whose satisfaction, I have, heereby, not so much set my selfe to en­counter with any one (for their treatises in great penurie of matter, are, most part, spent in false personall criminati­on and calumnious railings, which I disdaine to answer) as shortlie to give to the godly a common antidot against all, by answering such of their maine obiections, as, wher­to all the rest easilie may be reduced, that, seeing by force of truth, they are now at last driven (dispairing of the mat­ter it selfe) for all other argument, to quarrel our callings, this sarie shift may be wrung from them also. Wherin, they may bee fitlie compared to those pleaders, who, being out of all hope of their cause, labour to cast the court: Or to such men, against whom an authentick reversion & good money being produced, for outquyting from them a pos­session, which, otherwayes, they can find no right to de­taine, they run, by all meanes, to annull the order. But, as, at the Barr, it were a preposterous order of pleading, after peremptorie argumēts proponed, to returne to delatours, so, when the head of all defence is placed in them, it argu­eth, that, even in the conscience of the proponer, the per­emptours are invalid.

2. Thus, the Priestes and Scribes of the Iewes (whose successours, and of whose spirit these men bewray them­selves to be) when, after many assayes against Christes do­ctrine, they were ever put to the worse in the end (pryding themselves, and with a great deale more reason then doe our adversaties, in that ordinarie place which they broo­ked in the Church) for all argument they come at last to this, Math. 21. from the 23. verse to the end. By what authoritie doest thou these thinges; and who gave thee this authoritie ▪ where the Lord answering for him self, then, and for vs now, in the like case, most plainly, & at length sheweth, that, howsoever in the ordinarie course of a con­stitut Church, a carefull regard must be had to the ordina­rie calling, yet, when (as sometime it falleth) that the or­dinarie [Page 4] husband-men become murtherers, and the or­dinarie builders become destroyers, there God, extraordi­narilie stirreth vp men, whose ministrie prooveth itself to be from heaven and not from men, even by this, that they [...]ome in the way of righteousnes: and sinners are converted by them, that, so the Lord of the vineyard may report fruit thereof, even when the ordinarie husbandmen rebel, and that the stone, rejected, even of the ordinarie builders, may yet bee made the head of the corner: which, how­soever it bee marvailous in our eies, yet it is the Lord his doing.

3. Now, this alone, without furder, though we have no more ordinarie vocation then our adversaries alledge, yet (in so great a confusion brought in the Church by Anti­christ, and, in such evidencie of truth in our side) it suffici­entlie answereth for our calling. And, albeit that perhaps it not onely may, but also ought to be brought in defence of some particular men, who, wāting som ordinarie points of an ordinary vocation, yet comming in the way of righ­teousnes, and, in evidencie of spirit and power, cōverting sinners and convincing errour, witnessed, clearelie, their ministerie to bee from heaven: yet, for our Church, in common, I see no necessitie to have recourse heereto. For, whatsoever our adversaries may pretend, heerein, against some particular persons, whose defect, if it any were, hur­teth not the Church in common, yet, I marvaill with what face they can denye our first open contesters with Antichrist, in common, to have beene ordinarie Church­men, bearing publike charg of Pastours or Doctours ther­in. And, that I goe not higher, what, iustlie can they lay, heerein, against VViclesse, Iohn Husse, Hierome of Prague, and the Bohemian reformed Churches? against Luther, Melan­ [...]thon, &c. of the Churches of Germanie, and whatsoeuer cavillation, their peruerse contentious mindes may sug­gest to them against these. yet, what pretence can they have against the ordinarie vocation of so many fa­mous Bishops and Pastours of the Church of England▪ [Page 5] Yea, and who of our first Preachers were not either ordi­narie Church-men, ere then had their admission to the Ministerie by the reformed Churches of England, Gene­va, or Germanie? If they were not blindlie miscarried, they might perceave, that, what they speake and write of our men in derision and contumelie, (calling them Sir Iohn Kn [...]x, and Frere Iohne Craig, &c.) it verifyeth their or­dinarie vocation. And, giving, that nothing might bee alledged for the ordinarie vocation of our first Preachers, and, that it were als essentiall a defect as our adversaries account it, so as they had, thereby, a iust exception against our Church: yet, I pray you, what doth this helpe them against the Church of England, and so many other fa­mous reformed Churches, all agreeing in communion with vs, and glad to give vs the right handes of fellow­ship? What a peevish pretence is this for their errour; and how weak an obiection against so many famous Chur­ches convincing them, that, forsooth, the Ministers of Scotland, have no ordinarie calling? But, neither is the want of ordinarie vocation in our first Reformers, anie iust exception against our Church (as partlie, alreadie, and more at length, heereafter, shall bee shewed) neither, if it were, Hieron. [...] Ocean. & [...]d Euagr. & [...]n 1. cap: Tit. may it be iustlie laide against our first Pastours. They labour, indeed, much to convince vs as destitute of all lawfull either Pastours or Church: and bringe to this end (as seemeth to them) an irresistable argument, that or­dination is only proper to Bishops. Augustinus Ep. 19. & questione ex [...]eter [...] test. 101. But, by evident scrip­ture and cleare testimonie from antiquitie, that is posi­tive. Whereby, it is, that our Reformed Churches agree­ing soundly in all the substantiall points of faith, & with­out break of communion, yet, heerein, for the matter of governement, Ambrosius in epist. [...]d Tim. ca. 3. have takē libertie, diverslie as seemed best to each, to rule either by Bishops, or the common counsel of Elders, which of them most laudably I do not here dis­pute. Neither mattereth it much for the point cōtroverted with the cōmon adversary. Na [...]anze­nus oration [...] in Maxim. For, giving thē that the appro­priating of ordinatiō to Bishops were not only tolerable, [Page 6] but even most of all other commendable, and also, po­sitively, necessarie: yet, from the defect of that which by a positive law is or hath beene practised, or, which, in the iudgement of many, is still most expedient, for common order to bee practised, to infer that wee have neither any lawfull Pastours or true Church: it is from that which is [...] or respectively necessarie, to conclud [...] or a necessitie absolut. Wherin, both antiquity standeth strong­ly for vs, by clear Testimony of not onely lawfull power, but also of approoved practise, in that Ambrose recordeth [...]lim in Aegipto Presbyteros absente Episcopo consignare solitos. And Augustin also that in Alexandria & per tot [...]m Aegyptum, si desit Epi­scopus, consecrat Presbyter: & their owne lay Schoolmen also even in the last declining degree to ignorance and corru­ption, yet heerein will plead our quarrel. Our owne coū ­trie man Ioannes Ma [...]r, De gestis Scotorum, lib. 2. c. 11. in a much semblable case, bringeth that distinction. which in the Schooles of Sorbon hee had both learned and taught. that, ad actum moraliter b [...]nu [...] non [...]equiritur quod à vera prudentia reguletur actu [...], sed sat est quod ab ignorantia invincibili vel errore nō imputabili reguletur. erat jus Pon­tificium in oppositum quod non tenebatur s [...]ire, Scripturii sacru & de­votionise accommodab [...]t, &c. in humanis legibus positivis [...]nusquisque [...] suo sensu abundat, &c. This same Major, and with him, all our ancient Historiens do witnesse that, before the dayes of Palladius (whom he and al others confesse to have bene the first either consecrated or consecrating Bishop in Scotland) per Sacerdotes & Monach [...]s, De gestis Sc [...]t [...]r [...]m, [...]. 2. ca. 2. sine Episcopi [...], Scoti in side erudiebantur. Now, I aske our adversaries (who heerein, as in a substan­tiall defect divini juris, thinke they have enough wherefore to condemne all both our Church and Pastours, for that their ordination hath not bene by Bishops) if they dare say but, in Scotland, there was a notable Church, & excellently both learned & holy Pastours, long before Palladius? if they would deny it, they are cōvinced by cleare and vniforme consent of storie and testimonies evē of their owne men: who all confesse it to have bene so by the space at least of two hundreth and twentie yeares: and, if not, with more, [Page 7] yet with alse high & iust commendation both of learning and holynes, as ever thereafter. And, if it cannot be deny­ed but such was the estate of our Church, then, dare they condemne those men for theeves & who vnlawfullie had broken in vpon the sheepfolde; whom they them selves have both superstitiouslie canonized, and, do still, idola­trouslie worship? Or, if that was no essentiall defect in them, or a relevant exception against our Church then; how impudent are they, therevpon, to conclude so per­emptorilie against vs, as if all both light and life of a true Church did hange wholy vpon that one point of Episco­pal ordination? whereof, when all is graunted that the most vehement (and not shameles) assertours thereof, in al their partiall heat and all probable apparance can plead for: yet, besides a cleare shewed instāce of more then two hundreth yeares practise in our owne Church, and that in the primitive and most pure times thereof, their owne schooles also (in the height of palpable prevailing darke­nes) have given vs, yet, this to answer them, quod ad actum moraliter bonum non requiritur vt à vera prudentia reguletur actus, sed satu est si ab ignorantia invincibili & errore non imputabili regu­letur.

4. Thus, then, the Pastours of our reformed Churches, having (in common) had even an ordinarie calling: and, therewith holding the true Apostolike doctrine, wee are the true successours of the Apostles, and not our adversa­ries, as they both vainly & falsly boast. For, as Ireneus saith, Eu qui in Ecclesia sunt Presbyteris obedire oportet, Libr [...] 4. cap. 43. his qui successionem habent Apostolis sicut ostendimus, qui cùm Episcopatus successione, cha­risma veritatis certum, secundum placitum patris acceperunt: reliquos ver [...] qui obsistunt à principali successione suspectos babere (that is) we must obey such Pastours as are in the Church, these, who, as we have shewed, have a successiō to the Apostles, name­ly, who, with Episcopall succession, have, also, according to the pleasure of the Father receaved the gift of truth: but all others who slyde away from this principall succession, we must suspect. And, in another place, he noteth those to [Page 8] be only true successours apud qu [...]s est caqu [...] est ab Apostolis suc­cessio, & id quod est irreprobabile sermo [...] constat, with whom is that succession which is frō the Apostles, and with whom constantly abydes that word which cannot be improved, quia (as saith Augustin) nec Catholicis Episcopis consentiendum: [...]e [...]itate Eccles [...]s con­tra peti [...] ep. 166. cap. 3. sicu­bi falluntur vt contra Canonic [...]s Scripturas aliquid sentiant. For we ought not consent, no not to Catholike Bishops, if any where they be deceaved, so, as they hold any opinion cō ­trarie to the Canonik scriptures. and it holdeth ever true, that [...], as saith Gregorie Nazianzen. his words are notable, and which alone are even enough to oppose to all our adversaries shameles brags of bare succession. [...].they are to this sense, the succession of pietie is properlie to be bolden Succession: for who profes­seth the same doctrine of faith, he is partner of the same chaire: but who embraceth a contrarie faith, he ought to bee accounted an adver­sarie, albeit even sitting in the chaire. & this, indeed hath the name, but the other hath the substance and truth of succession.

5. Where-vpon this our acclaiming even of ordinarie calling, they inferre against vs, that, we iustifie them to be the true church, and that, consequently, we have made de­fection therefrom: in so farre as we could have no such or­dinarie vocation, but with and amongst them: it is a chil­dish fallacie from themselves but a part in the Church, and yet not of it (even the abhomination of desolation stāding in the holy places, [...]il. 49. [...] Math. as saith Chrisostom) to the whole church, or rather to the true Church, which is both within the church and of the church. For, as within the vsible church ( in sanctis Ecclesi [...] locis) are both Christ and Antichrist, truth and lyes, Pastours & Wolves, sheepe and goates, wheat & chaffe: and now and then, either of them obtaine & beare sway in tot [...] [...]cclesia commu [...]iter (in the whole church in com­mon) but never universaliter in singulis, (vniversally in each one:) so, both of vs (our adversaries and we who contest with them) beeing within the visible Church: the true de­fence of either partie, were by the right rule of examina­ [...]ion, to proove them selues so to bee in the church, as that [Page 9] they ar also of it: and not, by impudent and ridiculous as­suming what is in question, to flee all tryall. Wee never denyed Antichrist to be in the church, and as was foretold of him, to have so far prevailed therin, by force of errour & standulent pretence of the Lambe his hornes, as, he obtai­ned place and ruled in tota Ecclesia communiter (in the whole church in cōmon) but à toto communiter (from the whole in cōmon) to conclude ad vniversum singulariter (to vniversalli [...] each one) it is a deceitfull aequivocation.

6. Here, yet, they think vs intangled in a great incōveni­ent, for that the Bishop of Rome (whom we hold to be Anti­christ) having bin for som ages acknowledged ministerial head of the church: &, the outward ordinatiō of al church­men either mediatly or immediatly flowing frō him, wee must cōfesse vs to have no ordinarie calling at all, or then that we have it from Antichrist. so as they think vs hereby reduced to one of these necessities, either to refuse al ordi­nary vocatiō, or then, for maintaining of our ordinary cal­lings, to iustifie their Pope from whō they have proceded, and, so, cōsequently, to cōdemne al our owne both church & doctrine. But, while they think vs intrapped, we are by an open way escaped: for, we both yeeld that our ordinary vocatiō, hath, outwardly in a sort, proceded frō the Bishop of Rome, & that he is notwithstanding, that very Antichrist & man of sin. And, to shew how these two so apparātly re­pugnant points do yet very wel cōsist, without any either discredit or derogation to the dignitie or lawfulnes of our callings: we have rightly to wey the distinct cōditions of Antichrist, as he cōmeth to be diversly cōsidered in his first hatching, yea & the many insensible, flow, & long succee­ding degrees of his grouth towards that height, whereby against al that is called god, Satan his throne was erected in the mids of the church: and againe, in that toppe of im­pietie, whereto the mystery of iniquitie did mount vp by time, 2. Thes. 2.4. Revel. 2.13. nemo enim repente fit turpissimus (for none becommeth extreamlie evill at once) for, even from the Apostolike times that mischiefe was a workinge, and, albeit, first, [Page 10] by slow and insensible, 2. Thes. 2.7. 1. Iohn 4.3. and next by more speedie and sen­sible degrees: and, even in the height thereof, it had yet two degrees. In that, first, like a fraudulent Parde, albeit having on his head the name of blasphemie, the beast deceaved, and as, Revel. 13.1.2. Balaam, crastily laying stumbling blockes, bewitch­ed the earth, Revel. 2.14. as in Pergamus. And secondlie, by increase of crueltie and impietie, he became all of the Dragon his co­lour, and had his whole body full of the names of blasphemie: Revel. 17.3.6. the Whoore borne vp by him, being drūkt with the blood of Saintes, Revel. 2.20. and furiouslie, as Iezabel an impudent cruell queein, domining in Thyatira. and yet still, in both these states, he was long so borne out with Propheticall pre­tence, as, Revel. 2.13.14.19.20. even the true Church lurking vnder and within his compas ( where Sathan his throne was) yet had her eyes so dazeled and courage so quailed with the glistring shew & proud pretence of Pastorall and Propheticall authoritie, that, howsoever shee keeped her selfe pure from his spiri­tuall fornication, and held the name of God, yet shee had not either the knowledge or courage to challenge direct­lie the impious vsurpation; which, was, indeed, an argu­ment of the true Church her weaknes, and that Christ had therein, somewhat against her, but no argument for all that, why either she, so dwelling, & in weaknes, tolerating that evill, was not the true Church, or that Balaam and Iezabel, thus tolerated of her, were not that false prophet, and my­sticall whoore.

7. An other consideration of Antichrist, is, that hee is no outward enemie openlie and directly fighting against the ensigne of profession and name of Christ, but an in­ward traytour, deceaving by the ensigne: and that so cun­ninglie and covertlie, as, a long time, not only his charac­terized ones (who only of his favoures are partakers both of his treason and endles iudgement) but also many sim­ple sheepe deceaved by the semblance of the Lambe his hornes, Revel. 14.9.10. and 16.2. and in singlenes of heart following the ensigne, were made so to follow him, and to receave his name. albeit they receaved never his character, nor learned the [Page 11] deeepnes of Satan. Revel. 13. & 2.24. and, many also, who never either re­ceaved character or name, yet lurking within him, and shrouded vnder the common ensigne of profession, recea­ved the number of his name (that is, were numbred and counted to be his) albeit, in effect, they were none of his, either by acceptation of character or name. Revel. 11.2. & 13.5. For, hee trea­ding downe the holy Citie & Court of the Temple (that is, domining and ruling in the visible church) and, along time, ouerthrowing, therein, all true worshippe, as did Ie­zabel in Israel 42. monethes, or three yeares and a halfe, & Antiochus Epiphanes, in Ierusalem, the same space: all which time of his vsurpation, the true church within his compas. continuallie lurking, as the Temple within the Citie and Court: No other possible accesse could bee to the Temple (the true Church) but through the Citie and Court (the visible Church): 2. Thes. 2.4. wherein, Antichrist sitting, that is, Do­mining, all Christians behooved, of necessitie, to ioine to that body where was the common ensigne, which, how­soever, or by whomsoever caried, August. lib. de vtilitate [...]redends. yet it was ever oportunum inquirendi exordium (convenient entrie to inquire by). and, so, alwayes, many comming thither, and spying the pollu­tion of the Citie and court of the Temple, they stepped in to the Temple: where, continually (therefore in a close and deepe wisdome, that case is numbred by dayes) al the time of Antichrist his most absolut prevayling, Revel. 11.3. was the true church, and true and faithfull Ministers of grace and light: and albeit few, and long lurking, & in heavines, yet powerfully dispensing light and grace, & free from open and barbarous persecution: Revel. 10.8. till the little booke opened, and ob­tained out of the hand of the great Angell, and greedilie and sweetlie swallowed, inabled, and stirred them, by the right measuring reed, Revel. 11.1.2. to examine the church, and thereby, to finde that citie and court were to bee cast out. whereat the beast (Antichrist) highly chaffed, Revel. 11.7 &c. murthereth first, even with applause, those true Ministers. But, God, still stirring vp others in the same spirit, at last, a visible separation is made, not from the Church (as our adversaries vainlie [Page 12] pratle) but from Antichrist and the long covered traitour in the church. So as, then, truth and true professours, with­in the church & onely of the church, but long borne down and lurking through prevailing errour, at length begun to becom visible (to the terrour and astonishment of their ad­versaries) and to obtain and beare sway, by the discoverie & fall of Antichrist. Whose sacrilegious impietie, having come to such height, as it could no longer bee covered or borne, Revel. 11.12. it was then, said to the revived witnesses, Come vp hither, and their enemies saw them and were afrayde, that is, the long lurking, afflicted, and at last murthered ones be­come visible, even to their enemies, who, first, imagined none such to bee, and next, that they could bee no more: and to their griefe and terrour, are seene and knowen to beare away the title of the true Church, in that place (as through all that Prophecie) signified by the name of hea­ven, in opposition to the earth and earthlie ones. Wee have not only stronge and invincible argumentes, but e­ven, therewith, such cleare foretolde storie of all the ry­finge, grouth, doctrine, dealing, and fall of Antichrist: And of the continuall manner of God his gracious dis­pensation towardes his true Church, lurking vnder him, afflicted by him, and victorious over him, as that, where­in our adversaries glorie most, turneth most to their shame, and, that, wherewith they most reproache our Church, speaketh stronglie for vs. And the Lorde his wise providence, for preserving, thus, his Church, in the middes of Antichristian vsurpation, while he appeared to possesse all, was wonderfull in that, even in time of grea­test corruption: yet a sure accesse and free way was still reserved and kept, thorough the Citie and Court, to the Temple, the Sacrament of Baptisme, in substance re­mayning, and the doctrine of the Trinitie beeing kept sounde.

8. Wee are so farre from denying to Antichrist a place, yea and an ordinarie calling in the Church, that wee af­firme [Page 13] constantlie, that so it must have beene: And, that, not onely hee behooved to bee in it, but also Sit, that is, beare rule therein. 2. Thes. 2.4. Revel. 2.13. 1. Iohn 2.19. But so, wee grant him to bee in it, as yet hee is none of it, more then a boile or apostume, in the body, is a member of the body. so wee grant him to have had rule, and ordinarie calling in the Church, as had these Husband-men, to whom, indeed, the Vineyard was set, Math. 21.38. &c. but, they murthered the heire, such an ordinarie builder wee confesse him to bee, as reiecteth that stone, which yet, in despyte of him, becommeth head of the corner. Math. 21.42. Wee yeeld him the ordinarie vocation of a Pa­stour, but that hee is a wolfe: to have beene, sometime, a starre of heaven, and minister of light, and of the keyes of the kingdome, but, to have fallen to the earth, to have changed the keyes of heaven, in those of the bottomlesse pit, Revel. 9.1.2. and to have become the minister of darknes, where­by hee hath darkened Sunne, Moone, and Aire. Sathan ha­ving bene once, Revel. 12.8.9. by Michael his valour, so powerfullie cast downe from heaven, had never againe bene able, by the beast of his authoritie, to erect his throne even in the Temple of God, if hee had not pretended the Lambe his hornes: Revel. 13.2 2. Thes. 2.4. Revel. 2.13. Revel. 13.11. Iudges 14.18. neither had hee ever bene able to sende out our Sampson his ridle, if hee had not plowed with his hei­fer.

Now, then, seeing that Antichrist of an order & successi­on of degenerating Pastours (and that not at once, but slowlie and by degrees) hath slylie arissen to that height of impietie, as a beast rising out of the earth, ( Sensim impera­re incipiebat religio, habenas imperij capere, ius suum acquirere, nibil subitum nihil tumultuarium (sayth their owne parasite Steu­chus: And, Revel. 13.11. seeing that alwayes, before his discoverie, the pretence of the common ensigne carried him out: and, that, there-through, many true, both Pastours and Pro­fessours, receaving his name, or his number, but not his character, did come in singlenes, to the cōmon ensigne, & not properlie to him: Revel. 11.12. seeing, that albeit he was a Wolf, yet before it was said to the revived witnesses, Come vp hither, [Page 14] he brooked stil the place of an ordinarie Pastour: and, see­ing that outward ordination, and all the action of the mi­nisters thereof, serveth but for outward order, all inward gift, grace, power and vertue comming from God the au­thor of the calling: what absurditie is it, that a good Pa­stor receave ordination of a wolfe, who yet hath the place of an ordinarie Pastour in the Church, more then a true Christian to receave the Sacraments from a reprobate, be­ing alwayes an ordinarie minister, which sacraments, yet by the inward cooperation of God are effectuall to the re­ceaver? for, it is sufficiēt for an outward ordinarie calling, that the minister thereof have outward place and power of ordination, albeit he be but a hireling and a thiefe: and the receaver of outward ordinarie vocation, as he hath al gift and grace from God only, whose the work is, so, is he not tied or sworne to the will or appetit of the outward minister, but only to the Lord: no more then any minister baptizeth in his owne name, 1. C [...]r, 1.13 but in the Lorde his, whose badge and cognissance only we take on thereby, and not of the minister thereof. So, as, who, therevpon, would e­vince me to have made defection frō the church, because I impugne the heresie of him who gave me ordination: or that, finding him to be a wolfe, and both giving warning thereof to others, and my self shrinking from him, that, so doing, I either had no ordinarie vocation at all, or thē had fallen from it: I thinke that any of sound and setled senses would advyse to minister to him rather Hellebore for his braine, then any other answer.

9. Now, then, albeit our adversaries be more then im­pudent to deny our ordinarie vocation, and, it were, in vs, but childish simplicitie, in such evidencie thereof, to grant them any apparant advantage: and, albeit it harmeth no­thing our cause, that our outward calling hath, in a sorte, flowed from the Bishop of Rome: whose long vsurpation in the church, Revel. 13.11. 2. Thes. 2.4. so litle dismayeth vs, as, rather it confirmeth vs the more, Antichrist being so proper a soare of the body of the church, as that he can befal none other body: & thus, [Page 15] though no otherwayes, yet even by sight of the soare, in, but not of the body, being sufficientlie assured that, cer­tainlie, the true body was there: yet, in so cleare and direct an answer and solution of this question given by Christ him selfe, Math. 21.23. &c. I will never yeelde that the want of ordinarie vocation shalbe, alwayes, a relevant exception against truth and the true Preachers thereof.

10. But, thus, say they, a doore is opened to all confusi­on in the house of God, while a liberty is left for each man to vsurpe a calling at his pleasure, God forbid. Yea we are so farre from this disorder, and do so farre both reverence and maintaine ordinarie vocation, that, in a constitute Church holding the foundation (albeit otherwayes, di­vers things, therein, did require reformation) if any man of how great giftes soever, yet without ordinarie calling, should intende him selfe to be a Pastour: we would no o­therwayes account of him, then of a seditious and turbu­lent spirit, who either, fanaticklie presuming of graces, would vainlie despise order, or, for some infirmities and defectes, would arrogantlie and vncharitablie, breake the vnitie of the Church. But, if corruption hath so farre pre­vailed, that the faithful Citie hath become an [...]a [...]lot, Isai 1.21.22. Math. 21. Ierem. 6.13. Ezech. 22.25. Isai 56.10.11. and all her silver be turned in drosse: if her husbandmen have become murthe­rers, and her builders have become destroyers: if from the Prophet even to the Priest every one followeth after lyes: if there bee a conspiracie of her Prophets in the mids of her like a roaring Lyon rave­ning the pray [...]: if her watchmen be al blind, & know nothing: if they be all dum doggs and can not barke: if they ly and sleepe and love to sleepe: if her Pastours know nothing nor vnder stand, and looke wholy to their owne wayes: Mich. 3.6. if night be to them for a vision, and darknes for a divin [...] ­tion. In such a case, God both heretofore hath, and alwayes may send out men extraordinarilie, who, comming in the way of righteousnes, and in evidence of truth and pow­er, convincing the ordinarie husbandes to be thieves, and the ordinarie builders to bee destroyers, even thereby suf­ficientlie verifie their ministerie, Math. 7.18. to bee from heaven. For an evill tree can not bring foorth good fruit, nor a good tree bring foorth [Page 16] evill fruit. By their fruits ye shal know thē. It is deceitfull sophistrie to reason frō the state of a wel constitut church, to a church dead in Baall: or contrare, frō the first generatiō, or (as I may cal it) regeneration and reformation of a Church, from deadly confusion, to that, which in a constitut or well re­formed church is to be observed: frō a respective necessity, to conclud a necessitie absolut, & he were a ridiculos phi­ficiō, who in the cure of a deadly & desperat disease, would admit nothing, but, what, for maintaining of health in, or­dinary dyet wer observed. Our maister, who most precisely fulfilled all righteousnes, [...]. 2.14. hath taught vs by his owne exā ­ple, that, when the ordinary pastours have made the tem­ple of God a house of merchandise, & the house of prayer, a den of thieves: that, then, by extraordinary motion from him, the tables of these money-changers ar to be roundlie overturned, & these thieves to bee whipped to the doores. That which is written of the house of God, answering for the matter, and, that, which is written of true zeale of the house, answering for the manner. And, who, I pray you, did ever yet heare, or what instance can bee given of anie reformation, of a quiet disordered state; but, by some more (at least in some points) then an ordinarie fo [...]me, either in the persons reformers, or in their manner of doing?

11. Our adversaries answere, that, if such a case as that is, in which onely, wee make extraordinary calling to have place, can not at any time befal the church, thē all our rea­soning is vaine. But, so it is, that such a case cā never befal the church. Erg [...]. the major or first part of the argument is from our owne ground: the assumption or minor, they proove by that, wherewith compendiously, forsooth, they alwayes, in al things, defend them selves, and summarilie with one stroake, overthrow all whatsoever wee bring against them. Math. 16.18. Math. 28.20. Namely, that the church can not erre. For hath not the Lord builded her on a rocke, so, as, the gates of hell cannot prevaile against her? hath he not promised to be alwayes with her til the consummation of al things, and end of the world? we grant all these goodly and great [Page 17] promises made to the church: we both reioyce & glory of them in the Lord, & know assuredly, that he, who is faith­full and true, holdeth well his height. But, their conclu­sion, hereupon (in their sense) hath a wordle of aequivoca­tions. For, first, albeit it be most certain, that God never so abandoneth his church, as that, finally & fundamentally, she falleth from truth, or is miscaried with errour: but that still, even in most desperat cases, shee hath in her both the light and life of God, yet, hereupon, to inferre, at all times and in all and every thing, such an absolut perfection as is mixed with no degree of errour or infirmity, it cōcludeth not. Neither is shee for this, rejected, or not esteemed the true and beloved church of God, for that hee hath somewhat against her, but lovingly, therupon, exhorted to amēdement. And, albeit, God in his word, hath fully revealed what, for her accomplishment in grace, Revel. 2.1 [...].16. &c. is requisit, yet, in this mortal course, where, we know but in part, and prophecie but in part, she neither alike at all times is capable, neither of all things, 1. Cor. 13.9 perfectly, at any time. And, yet, the Lord, according to his promise, leadeth her in all truth, for that, by degrees, he bringeth her on to perfection: and, notwithstanding of her owne weaknes, & of all the gates of hell assailing her, yet errour & lies never so provaile, but that she keepeth the name, & liveth the life of God: And, in the end, victorious over all vntruth, Ephes. 5.17. she is perfyted in all veritie. The Lord is said to washe his church, that she may be a holy and cleane spouse to him, not having spot or wrinckle, and hee per­formeth accordinglie: but, so, as, hee is still purging and cleansing her, til, fully, at lēgth, beautified, she be receaved in the mariage chamber. Neither is she, herefore, not to bee counted holy, because she not only is exhorted to the study of sanctification, but also maketh a daylie progres therein. He hath promised to subdue Satan vnder our feet. Rom. 16.20. Neither question we therefore of his truth herein, because we find the enemy, not onely standing armed against vs, but also, often woūding vs: for, we know, that he who hath promi­sed, will performe, Philip. 1. [...]. and, the work, which he hath begun, he wil accomplish in his saints. Would we accuse a phisicion, [Page 18] who had assured vs of p [...]rfyt convalescing, therefore to be skilles and false, because, albeit finding our selves in the way of health, yet, before attaining the full point, wee had sustained many fittes, & apparant, deadly traunces? That, which the Psalmist sayth of the outwarde afflictions of the Church, [...]sal. 129.2. may be truely affirmed of all whereby, in any sort, Sathan assaileth her. They have often afflicted me from my youth, but they haue not prevailed against me. And, that which the Apostle, vpon his owne experience, speaketh of our pro­gres in the strength of the inner man, is most true in all the graces of God bestowed on his Church: that, his strength is perfyted in [...]nes: [...] Cor. 12.9. and, that, therefore, in patience, we have to esteeme his measure of grace in the tyme sufficient for vs. Being assured, that, albeit we are not yet perfyt, yet, nei­ther in fighting wee beat the aire, [...] Cor. 9.26. nor yet run in vaine, but are in the way towards ful perfe [...]tiō: forgetting what is be­hinde, endeavouring to what is before, [...]. [...].1 [...]. & following hard towards the mark for the pryse of the high calling: cer­tain so to end our race, as, therewith to obtaine the crown. And, if the condition of the Church can be no otherwayes rightlie esteemed, but according to that measure which in any of hir membres, or in al jointly, during her course, here in weakenes, is fulfilled: which, in the best degree of any ordininary state is ever mixed with some infirmity & mist of ignorance: what madnes is this, to dream of a perfyt and ful point; while we ar yet but in the midst of our journey?

12. Now, again, when, in a right sense (such as I have shewed) it is granted that the Church can not erre: what, I pray you, is our aduersaries avantage herein? except that▪ still, impudently they take that which is in question. For, even herby, we argue thē not to be the church, because they have erred, and that both foullie and fundamentally. And, thus, again, they fall in a second, and their owne ordinarie aequivocation: concluding from them selves, the boile, apostume, and excrement of the Church, in it and not of it, to the true Church and promises proper to her, whereof they vainly and falslie boast: ridiculouslie pleading truth [Page 19] to be with them, because they, forsooth, are the Church: where their right defence were, by evincing the truth to be with them, which is the life of the Church, so, to vindi­cateiustlie to them selves that title.

13. For strengthening of them selves in this vsurpati­on, they fal to a third aequivocation. The church (say they) is alwayes visible. and, in so farre, as, for some ages, no o­ther church can be shewed which was not of their com­munion, it evinceth them to be that true Church, which can not nor hath not etred. And, here, they display all the force of their eloquence the Church being the sheepfold of the sheepe, Iohn 10.2 [...]. 1. Timoth. 3.15. the house of God, the piller and stable seat of truth: would God invite vs to a church which cannot bee seene? would he so, delude his own childrē, as to bid them heare a Church which doeth not speake? That, which I have already said of the arysing, groneth, and successe of Antichrist and of the condition of the true Church vnder him and within his compas, answereth sufficiently to this aequivocation, whereby, deceitfully, they reason from the visible Church to the truth and true Church alwayes in the visible Church, but not alwayes visible in it: except in a sort, for that the visible church and commō ensigne ever telleth where they are. When we affirme the church to be invisible, it is not that wee deny her to bee and to haue alwayes bene visible in the common ensigne of publike Profession. But, to infer herevpon, that truth and true pro­fessours, alwaies in her, & onely of her, are at al times visi­ble, obtaine, Revel. 12: and beare sway, it is a secret fallacy. Sathan, first, in open and advoued rage, oppugned the common ensigne: Revel. 13. 2. Thes. 2. till, dispairing of succes therein, he turned course and shape: &, in his vicar of the bottomles pit, pretending the Lambe his hornes, he tooke vpon him to beare it, and deceaved mightily thereby. And, yet, neither, thus, did the Lord ever leave his owne sheepe incertain or wild whe­ther to goe. For, the common ensigne, albeit caried, prin­cipallie, by a traitour, yet ever told them where the true church dwelt, even where Sathan his throne was: so as [Page 20] comming to the ensigne, Revel. 2.13. August. lib. [...] [...]tilitate [...]edends. Revel. 11. tanquam ad op [...]rtunum inquirendi ex­ordiū (as to a cōvenient entrie to inquire by) albeit they did finde both the holy Citie and Court of the Temple trod­den vnder foot of the Heathen, yet stepping inward, there never wanted two olives and two candlestickes in the Temple. And thus, still also, the true church did speak: but so, as amidst Antichrist his vsurpation (while hee seemed without controlment to brooke all, and that, vnder pre­tence of the Lambe his hornes, nothing was heard in the holy Citie and Court of the Temple but the Dragon his mouth) albeit the two witnesses still prophecied: and a 144000. Revel. 14. sealed, and secret ones, cleaving constantlie to the Lambe on mount Sion (while all the earth followed the beast) and, worshipping before the throne, beastes and elders, had a powerfull & plentifull dispensatiō of grace (like the roare of many waters, the noise of strong thun­drings) and so, loude & sweet a song of praise as the sound of douce and well tuned harpes could yeeld: yea, and al­beit they keeped them selves, in the mids of so common­lie a prevailing evill, Revel. 13.3. pure from spirituall fornication, as which were all Virgines chast and faithful to their Spouse the Lambe: yet, while all the earthlie ones wondred, and were in wonder, miscaried after the beast, none could ei­ther heare or learne their high and sweet song, but them­selves, who, in that cōmon Apostasie, were bought from the earth to be the true Citizens of heaven: and, albeit in the earth, yet not of it, neither perceaved of their ene­mies, till, to their terrour, astonishment, and beginning fall, Revel. 11.12. it was saide to them Come vp hither: and, till that, by degrees, they did breake foorth through the middes of heaven, Revel. 14.6. with no new, but even with that one and everla­sting Gospell. Our adversaries trifle, by concluding from the whole church in common, to vniversallie each one with­in it: and from these, who, in the Church, and even ob­tayning therein, yet were not of it, to these, who were al­wayes in it, and, albeit sometime borne downe, yet were only of it. Truth is alwayes in the visible Church, yea & no where els, but yet not alwayes visible therein. And [Page 21] who thervpō would infer this, or that therfore it behoved alwayes to obtaine & beare sway, were, in Logike, no les ridiculous, then who should cōclude that lies & errour did ever prevaile therein. for they ar alwayes in the church: in that the envious one soweth his tares even with the good feed, & was a lier from the beginning. God never forsaketh his church. yet we must acknowledge, to his glorie, that, sometimes, if he had not left vs a remnant, we had bene as Sodom, Isai 1.9. Ad vi [...]c. epist. 48. & had bene like Gomorrha. Ipsa est (sayth Augustin) quae aliquando obscuratur, & tanquam obnubilatur, multitudine Scanda­lorum: aliquando tranquillitate temporis quieta & libera apparet: ali­quando tribulationum & tentationum fluctibus operitur at [...], turbatur. It is, shee which sometime is darkened, and as it were o­vercludded with multitude of offences: sometime by trāquillitie of time, quiet & free sheweth her self: somtime is covered and troubled with the waves of tribulations.

14. But seeing by our owne cōfession, truth ever abydeth in the church, with whō shal it be foūd (say they) but with the ordinary pastors & ministers therof, whose lips should preserve knowledg, Mala [...]. 2.7. & at whose mouth the Lord wil have vs to aske coūsel? shal the ordinance of God be despised, & each man follow his owne sense? God forbid. We know wel, that, howsoever the Lord be not tied to meanes, but that, against & without al meanes, he may accomplish his good pleasur, Rom. 10.17. 1. Corint. 2 [...]. Reverent reading of the scrip­ture. yet that faith is by hearing, & it pleaseth the lord to save the world by the foolishnes of preaching, we know that how soever the careful reading of scripture, is both recōmēded to al, & is commendable in all, yet, that for vnderstanding what we read, the cōmon sort have need of an interpreter & a messenger, who is a man of a thousand: we are so far, herein, Act. 8.31. Iob. 33.4. Eccles. 8.1. frō permitting every man to his owne sense (as ca­lūniouslie our adversarie give out against vs) that we con­stantly avouch, that who ever cōtemneth the Lord his or­dināce, herin he cōtemneth the Lord: & is worthily given over to giddines and blindnes of mind. But, because, the Lord wil save by preaching, and dispenseth all light and grace by Pastours, doeth it follow heereupon, that the or­dinarie Pastours and Ministers can not erre, and fall from [Page 22] this truth? Or, is the Lord, the holy one of Israell so limi­ted, that, though everie man be a liar, yet his truth should faile? or, is he not able, though all the naturall seed should degener, Math. 3.9. yet of stones to raise children to Abraham? And, is hee not alike able, yea hath hee not more then one (to the praise of his power and truth) when ordinarie Pro­phetes become fooles, then even to open the mouthes of asses, N [...]b. 22.28. 2. P [...]t. 2.16. to rebuke the foolishnes of the Prophetes? It is most certain, that when prophecie faileth, the poeple perish. But from the necessitie of Prophecie and of Prophets, togi­ther, that to the ordinarie succession truth, alwayes, is ne­cessarily tied, who seeth not herein, a plain fallacy? For, though the ordinarie husbandmen becom murtherers and the ordinarie builders becom destroyers, yet the Lord still maintaineth his promise, reporteth fruit of his vineyard, & buildeth his house, by stirring vp others extraordinarilie, who come in the way of righteousnes, and this, is their fourth aequivocation in this their stout affeveration (that the Church can not erre): for that not only they conclude from the Church to Pastours, a part of the Church (which we could passe with them,) but, that also, from the neces­sitie of Pastours, indefinitlie, they conclude, definitlie, & sophisticallie, of ordinarie Pastours.

15. Now, I do not herefore affirme, that ever God so left the ordinarie ministers of his church, that, albeit all did, in cōmon, yet that ever at any time, vniversally each one did fal from truth. Revel. 7.3. & 9.4. & 11.3. & 14 1.2.3. Yea, I am perswaded (neither that by con­iecture only, but by cleare warrant of scripture) that in all ages, evē in most corrupt times of Antichrist, God stil had a number of true and godly Pastors: and, that, not only in them, but also by them, hee preserved light and life in his church, howsoever for their tolerating in weaknes of spi­rituall fornication, Revel. 1.14. he had something against them. But, heere, our adversaries fal in the fift, & that same aequivocation, in the case of pastours, wherby they deceave, in the case of the church. as if because truth still abydeth with, & by the mi­nistrie of Pastors, that, therfore, al, or most part of Pastours [Page 23] did ever hold the truth, or that amongst Pastours in com­mon truth did, alwayes, obtaine and beare sway: for it is most cleare and certain, that howsoever vniversallie each one never do fal from the light & life of God, yet whē that carnallie presuming of God his promises, and of their or­dinarie place in the church, they become secure, and abuse their place to fulfil their owne lustes: that then, they both may and have communiter omnes (al in common) fallē away: from the Prophet even to the Priest everie one following after his: Ier. 6.13. Ez [...]ch. 22.25. that then, ther wil be a conspiracie of her Prophets in the mids of her: thē all her watchmen will be blind and know nothing: all dum doggs which can not bark: lying and sleeping and loving to sleepe: knowing no [...] vn­derstanding nothing, Isai 56.11. but looking wholy to their own wayes. So as most iustlie, the Lord, therevpon, giveth them night for a vision, & darknes for a divination. Math. 3.6. [...] In which case, for magnifying of his truth and power, and for their confusion, the Lord hath & may extraordinarilie stirre vp men in the way of righte­ousnes to doe his work.

16. But, whatsoever (say they) might bee presumed of Pastours in common, yet, being assembled in Counsell or Synode, they can not so fall from truth. As if, forsooth, where all the members are, apart, bad & infected, that to­gither they could make vp a good or sound body. Yea, as we have alreadie cleared, that the argumētation from the church, or promises made thereto, to ordinarie Pastors in common, is vicious: and, from the ordinarie Pastours al in common, to vniversallie each one, is much more halting: so, here even from the whole Pastours vniversallie, to the generall counsell, it is still faultie. For no generall counsel can be brought, but that, albeit al, therein, had erred, yet numbers of ordinarie Pastours were besides, who might have holden the truth. O, but the Counsels have a special promise of the Lord his presence, as which doe represent the whole church, and he blesseth, his owne ordinance. This is still impudently to oppone one & the same thing. I denie not but the Lorde hath promised, Mat. 18.19 that where or whensoever two or three assemble in his name, he wil be [Page 24] in the midst of them. And, I am perswaded, that no num­ber, how small soever, of lawful pastours (hauing God and his honour singlie before their eies, and proponing, and following onely his reveiled will, and in Christian love agreeing in one, & in that disposition, humblie & hearti­ly in calling to the Lord) did ever assemble themselves, or shall at any time convene, which have not found and shal not find the truth of his promise. That no man esteeme me, herby, to loose a liberty for men to contemne God his ordinance in the assemblies of his Church, more then, be­fore, in the meane of preaching of the worde. But, I pray you, had ever the Lord so limited him selfe, that al coun­sels shal vndoubtedly & alwayes so assemble, as they may be ever secure of that promise? miserable experience, in all ages, hath taught vs clearlie the contrarie. So as the holy [...]an Nazienzen did not stick to say, that hee never did see any good effect of counsels. And Constantin the Emperour, in his epstle to the Synode of Tyrus, roundly telleth them [...] that, in all the dealings of Bishops, hee could see nothing but an overthrow of al religiō. So while men ar miscaried with the spirit of contention, bitternes, pryde, avarice, am­bition, and selfe-love, they cannot, indeed, make the pro­mise of God of none effect, which, alwayes abydeth sted­fast, but, they depryve thēselves of the fruit therof. Besides this where voices are numbred & not wayed, albeit many assemble with good hearts, [...]. Kings 22.24. [...]re [...]. 26. yet, oftē, major pars vincit meliorē (the grater part obtaine against the best.) Thus, Michaia was not only disdainfully checked, but also buffeted & impriso­ned. Thus Ier [...]mie was condemned & delivered to the se­cular power, as a man who was worthy of death: &, thus, our Lord Iesus was convicted & condēned of blasphemy, and adiudged to die. Neither giveth this a liberty to de­spyse counsels, as which are the Lord his appointment for the rule of his house: but, it warneth wathchmen, in feare & trembling, to take heed to their ministry: & not vainlie, while they securely follow their owne lustes, yet presump­tuously to cry out, The Temple of the Lord, The Tèple of the Lord. The law shall not perish from the Priest, nor counsell from the ancient. [Page 25] For, evē the Lord answereth such men, that the law shal perish from the Priest, & the counsel from the ancient. And, it is to waken al Christians, wysely and carefully, to discerne spirites. Au­gustin, in few wordes, telleth, how, rightly, both to trye and make good vse of counsels. Lib. 3. ad­vers [...] ma­xim. Nec ego Nicenam Synodū tibi, nec tu mihi Arminensem debes tanqua praejudicaturus obijcere. Nec ego hujus authoritate, nec tu illius detineris: Scripturarū authoritatibus, non quo­ [...]um [...] proprijs, sed quae vtris [...] sunt cōmunes res cum re, causa cū causa, ratio cūratione certet, that is, neither ought I to obiect to thee as a preiudice, the counsel of Nyce, nor thou to obiect to me the counsel of Ariminum. Neither am I holdē to the authori­tie of the one, nor thou to the authoritie of the other, let vs debate by authorities of Scriptures. Which are common to vs both, and not these authorities which are proper to ei­ther partie: let matter bee set against matter, cause against cause, and reason plead against reason.

17. The Romanists themselves perceaving well how weake & incertain a warrant of truth, is either the cōmu­nalty of pastours or the decrees of counsels, which, as Cad­mus his race, each, al most, destroy other: they, in end, leave al other refuge, and come to the Bishop, of Rome, and doe cō ­fine al verity within his breast: who, though he be a Devill, a Sorcerer, Ihon Gerson then alyve. a Sodomit, a Simoniak, a Murtherer, an Heretik (as was Ioh. 22. who denyed the immortality of the soule) finally, a despiser both of God and man: yet, he cannot erre in Cathe­dra, in the chaire. Thus, as men mated with maintaining an vnequall match for a wrong cause, their last defences are feeblest. Wherein, albeit, not onely they be destitut of all warrant either of Scripture or sound Antiquity, but that even a great part also of their owne Clergie are ashamed therof: yet their Iesuits & Seminaries are stil more then extreemly impudent. It is inded, true that some of the ancient fathers attributed much, yea and too much to the church of Rome, & reverenced greatlie both the iudgement and authority thereof: by reason of so many famous Bishops, who still, in that seat, had, both holden soundlie, the true faith them­selfes, and had bene great ayders and conforters of others, [Page 26] who in diverse parts did stryve and suffer for it. And, in this, men otherwayes learned and holy, were not only too liberal, but, even beyond measure prodigal: because what­soeuer either praise or prerogative they could have on the church of Rome (as the course of things, then went) it made for the credit of their cause: Satan, even thus, subtillie plowing with God his owne heifer, for fetting forward the mysterie of iniquitie: which (mynding, simplie, but the defence of the good cause in the tyme) these good men were not ware of. But, such an vnbridled & blasphemous licence, as the Popes, since, have vsurped & taken to them selves, and their Canonistes and Parasites have given them, these god-fathers never dreamed of. As any who readeth their writtes and stories, and, with iudgement, considereth the cases and condition of these tymes, will easely perceave, and bee never a whit troubled, with the hyperbolick and partly evill vnderstood; partly false and supposititious praise, and priviledges given to that seat. Wherewith when any of the Bishops of Rome, being too much tickled, did, presse thereupon, to vsurpe intolerably, they were thē, oftner then once not only resisted, but also their ambition freely checked and gravely rebuked. As the headines of Vi [...]r repressed by Ireneus Bishop of Ly [...] and Polycrates of Ephesus: the act of the counsel of Chalcedon in fa­vour of the Bishop of Constantinople, constantlie maintai­ned against all [...] his chaffe: and the act of the counsel of Cha [...]tage against all appellation from thence to the seat of Rome (vpon evident conviction of his fraude in falsifying the actes of the Synode of Nice) make more then manifest. That I speak nothing of the sharpe check given to Iulius Bishop of Rome (albeit topping a good cause, yet, therein, arrogating too much to his state) by the Bishopes of the East. So as, instead of helping the truth, his ambition gave the adversaries an advantage to put him so to silence, as al the sway and authority of Church matters remained with the Easterne Bishops (saith Sabellicus) till, long after Ph [...]c [...] restored it to Rome, many such instances the story affordeth. [Page 27] But as the Romane Doctours are extreemlie impudent, so, any broken sentence or wrested authoritie, is good e­nough to blind the ignorants: whom God, iustly, giveth vp to believe lies because they delite in errour: giving them, therefore, heape of Teachers according to their hu­mours. Now, how far, they are destitut of all sure warrant, and yet, how farre, in giddines of mynd, and force of the bewitching cuppe of fornicatiō, they are carried to main­taine this absurd and monstrous opinion, is cleare, if it were but by this, that they are not ashamed to bring an instance and argument from Caiphas, prooving that the Popes cannot erre in the chaire, in that, by vertue thereof, he did prophecy that one must die for the people. Iohn 11.49.50.51. & one, of their side, goeth so farre herein, in a deep speculation, forsooth, even from the bottomles pit, as, to iustifie Christ his law­full succession and right to the Priesthood (which, other­wayes, I warrant you, could not beene well maintained) he will have Caiphas, Maister Iohn Fras [...], in his chal­lenge. by that saying (in a hudge misterie) to resigne the Priesthood and instal Christ therein. Thus ra­ther then he should appeare to brooke any thing but by or­dinarie succession; making our Lord, who was neither of that tribe, nor of that order, but a Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedeck, to bee successour, in a sort to Caiphas. And, it is the Lord his iust iudgement, that, who sel them­selves to maintain lies, they bee given over to such absurd & blasphemous suggestions. But, what a blindnes is this; to catch hold of that one word, which was no definitive sentence of the chaire, but a bloody advyse, for incou­raging the rest of his consistorie to passe roundly over all points of conscience or equity in that matter, for that, howsoeuer they could find no iust pretence against Christ, yet, in any sort, it were better that one man should die, thē that, by the peoples believing in him and cleaving to him, the Romans should be stirred to destroy the whole natiō? why passe they by these sentences, in the chaire, whereby all were excommunicated who confessed the Lord Iesus, and, whereby, the Sonne of GOD was convicted and con­demned [Page 28] of blasphemie? Will they rather subscribe these sentences, then grant an errour in the chaire? Or, if these cannot bee excused, how ridiculous are they, for prooving an impossibilitie of erring in the chaire, to produce a­mongst a number of execrable and blasphemous errours, one reckles worde vnwittinge spoken? Neither did the holy Ghost in noting that speech, meane any such mat­ter, as these men, to strengthen their owne imaginations, fondlie build thereon. But, to shew, that Caiphas, while hee was vtterly corrupted, and but set onely on mischiefe, yet, by the all and overruling power of him, who hath al both hearts and tounges in his hand, did speake such wordes, as howbeit hee neither so vnderstood nor mynded them, yet, if in vprightnes and knowledge they had beene vttered in that sence which the wordes might have borne; and according to that event, which contrarie to the speakers mynd, the all and overruling hande of God brought about: that, then, they had well besiemed that place which that wicked man did occupy. Such a prophet then, was Caiphas, herin, as was the Devil, when, mynding but blaspemie, deceit, and murther, hee told the woman, that, eating of the forbiddē fruit, they should become lyke vnto God. For, indeed, out of man his fal, much cōtrarie to Satans mynd, the Almightie wrought that hudge and in­comprehensible worke of the manifestation of God in the flesh: and making, thereby all true believers, partakers in a sort, of the divine nature. And, such a prophet for vs, let their Pope be, as, who, being continuallie set on lying and murthering, yet never prophecieth true, but when the o­verruling power of GOD bringeth some such thing to passe, which, albeit his wordes might beare, yet, he neither mynded not willed. Yea, this example of Caiphas so little helpeth them, that, thereby, evidentlie, all whatsoever they bragge of generall Counsels, and of their Pope even in the chaire, is seene to be foolishe. For, I pray you, what instance can they bring of a more lawfull Counsell, or, of a Pope more solemnely sitting in the chaire (as touching [Page 29] all outwards requisite for the lawfulnes either of persons or ordinarie power) then were, both that whereby Ieremy was convicted; and this againe, whereby our Lord was condemned as a blasphemer?

18. But, as, men, who disput more, for maintayning, any way, their point, then for resolution, being sore pres­sed, doe seeke all corners: so, heere, they alledge, that, howsoever such a decay might have befallen the Church vnder the law: yet, of the Christian Church, vnder the Gospel, in so large a measure of light, and ample promises, no such thing ought to be presumed. Wherein, besydes an evident halting in Logike, is also a horrible & open blas­phemy in divinitie. The fallacie is, that, from the measure of dispensation, & of the promises made, they reason to the truth of God in performing. It is true, that vnder the law, albeit they had one and the same covenant, in substance, and the same promises: yet not in a like measure, or cleare manner of dispensation. Now, heerevpon, to conclude, because God promised not so clarelie nor plentifullie ope­ned, his grace, that, therefore, he performed not alse truelie what hee height: It is, first, a vicious argumentation, and, iuxt, a contumelious blaspemie against the truth of God. For as a true man promising a cottage to one, and a king­dome to another, is alike true in both albeit not alike libe­rall: so, is God, alwayes, in whatsoever or in what measure soever hee promised. His Church was his Church al­wayes, and, truth, alwayes, was the lyfe of his Church: and, hee prooved, alwayes, alike true, in maintayning it in a sparkle, as hee did in keeping it in a shyning toarch. If they answere, That they doe not meane, that, for the common errour of the Priestes, Prophets and or­dinarie Church-men vnder the Law, that therefore, ei­ther the promise of God failed, or his Church perished, then, wee have all we plead for. For what, I pray you, let­teth him; Or is his arme now shortened; that he may not in the like manner and in the like cases preserve his Church? And, if, in a common apostasie of ordinarie Church-men [Page 30] both Prophets & Priestes, he yet hath, heretofore, still had a Church, why doe our adversaries make no end of bitter contention against vs? We have, indeed, great & sure pro­mises that the gates of hell shall not prevaile against his Church: but that the ordinarie Ministers, shall alwayes, and all, in common, holde the trueth, not one syllable, yea, contrarie, we have not only manie and serious war­nings of false prophetes to arise in the bowells of the church, & in sheepes clothing, but also most clearlie fore­told, that such an Apostasie should come, whereby Anti­christ in al effectual deceyt should even sit, and beare rule in the Temple of God. If they will saye, that the Church of Israel had not such promises of continuall presence and preservation of truth, as the Christian Church hath: It is a treacherous sophisme. For they had also sure promises of continuall presence and preservation of truth, according to the measure dispensed, albeit not of so great measure of presence and light. And as for that point, whereof our ad­versaries glorie most, and, wherein, now, at last, they are faine to place all defence (namelie, the prerogative of places and persons:) the Church of Israell had much more for them (in so ample and many promises made of Ierusalem, And to the house of Levie and familie of Aaron,) where as the Church vnder the Gospell (in which, neither at Ierusalem, nor in any mountaine, but every-where, and of all men, God is to bee worshipped in spirit and truth) albeit having great sure promises of presence and preservation: yet, of tying God or his truth to any places or persons, in all Scripture, shee hath not so much as any shew of a war­rant; which, if the holy Ghost had minded, hee might, with much lesse ado, have reduced those many grave and earnest warnings given both by Christ in the dayes of his fleshe, and by his Apostles, thereafter, of the perill of false prophetes: and those carefull instructions of notes how to discerne and avoid them, to a short and sure com­pende against all fraude: bidding the Church but holde whatsoever the Bishop of Rome did holde, for, that hee, [Page 31] forsooth, could not erre. If our adversaries yet oppone, that howsoever the Church vnder the Law did sometime fall away all in common, and, that, albeit the Christian Church should also in like manner, yet the truth of God his promises should not therefore faile: but, that no such thing hath befallen the Christian Church, or could befall her: in respect of the great measure of light and cleare di­spensation by the Gospell. It is many wayes both foolish, and impertinentlie alleadged, for, first, it is a plaine ta­king of that which is in question. Next, as the state of our question is (whither possiblie, the Church may erre ( com­muniter tota) and God his promise yet abyde true) to op­pone, that shee hath not erred, is alse ridiculous as, if in disputation de iure, one should answer de facto. If God his promise still may consist, albeit shee did so erre, wee have the point wee pleade for. And, whither shee hath erred or not, they must of necessitie come with vs to trye by such rules of examination, as wee only labour to reduce them to, and they, in an evill conscience, alwayes, flee: onely crying against vs, The Tēple of the Lord, The Temple of the Lord: And the Church can not erre. Thirdlie, this their pre­sumption of the ones possible and easie falling away, and of the others assured standing in truth, grounded vpon the lesse and greater measure of light, it sheweth their foo­lishnes in divine matters. For, as, whatsoever measure of light dispensed, is God his free benefite, so is our either imbracing or abyding therein, his only gift. Who as hee iustlie will give over presumptuous and secure men to groape even at noone day, 1. Corinth. 10.13. so, is hee faithfull and wil not suffer his owne to bee tempted above that they are able, but will give the issue with the tentation. Wee have, in­deed, to glorifie God, and even to glorie in him, for the huge measure of light and gracefull dispensation by the Gospell: but so farre ought men to have bene from vaine boasting thereof, or carnall and secure relying thervpon, as, in all watchfulnes and godly care, they should have remembred, with all, that, accordingly Satan was to ad­vaunce [Page 32] the mysterie of iniquitie by all effectual working, with all power & signes and lying wonders, 2. Thes. 2. and in all deceaveablenes of vnrighteousnes, among them that perish, because they receaved not the love of the truth, that they might be saved, and therefore, God should send them strong delusion, &c. for Sathan, as a craftie warriour and subtill enemie, reserved and framed his last cunning, force, and maner of working, according as he did see that, for deceaving, was requisite: and accordinglie, by God his wise permission, & iust iudgement, obtained a throne even in the temple of God. And, as in the dealing of God, it is not to be esteemed strange, that he so farre gave over the world to the efficacie of errour (whereby he iustlie pu­nished the contempt of his truth, and clearlie foretold the case) so, is it nothing derogatorie, either to his goodnes and truth of his promises made to his Church, or to his power of performance: as our adversaries, because the Lord (whom they would make a varlet to their lustes) hath iustlie cast dunge vpon their faces, therefore by a do­ting dilemma, Maister Iohn Fraser, in his chal­llenge. would inforce vpon vs this blasphemie, as a necessarie consec [...]arie of our doctrine. For that, if the Church have erred, it must have beene that either GOD would not, or then that hee could not keepe his promise to her. But, it is the propertie of their king Abaddon, to blaspheme the name of God, his Tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. Wee both acknowledge his good­nes, and praise his truth, and power, and confesse, that, by this course of dealing, they are more highlie mani­fested, then if the gates of hell and smoake of the bottom­les pit had never assailed the Church: Or, if the weaknes of men had never appeared to the praise, both of his goodnes and power. For, as his incomprehensible good­nes and constant truth, are, herein, magnified, that though all men be liers, yet hee abydeth true, and the infideli­tie of men can not make his promise of none effect: so, did his infinite power exceedinglie extoll the selfe in this, that as hee bringeth light out of darknes, and maketh his light to shine in darknes: as hee bringeth [Page 33] life out of death, and preserveth the children of death: so, Revel. 11. in the middest of Antichrist his vsurpation, and such absolute domination in the holy Citie and Court of the Temple (the visible Church) as no possible meanes appeared of intertaining light: yet, hee not only, all the while, preserved two candlestickes and two olives, true witnesses and Ministers of light and grace: but also (when, spyed out by Antichrist, they were cruellie murthered, and, in his, and his sectatours estimation, vtterlie vndone) hee revived them in furder vigour, to his and their terrour. That, while all the earth follo­wed the beast (wondering and singing, who is like the Beast, &c.) hee not only, all the while, had a 144000. singing another, Revel. 13. though an vnperceived, note: but also, at length, to the astonishement of all the earth, made, Revel. 14. no newe, but even that everlasting, albeit long smoothered Gospell, to bee proclaimed, first, through the mids of heaven, Revel. 14.6. and, at last, to descend, so to the earth, that all the earth is lightened with the glorie thereof: Revel. 18.1. hee thereby, I say, to the high praise of his power, sheweth to all men: Zach. 4.6. that, neither by an armie, neither by strength, but by my spi­rit sayeth the Lord.

19. Where they except yet heere against vs, that for many ages, no such Ministers can, from any record of storie, bee alleadged, who did oppone themselves or contest with the Church of Rome: so, as, of neces­sitie, it must followe, that either none such were, or then they were not faithfull in dissembling so long the trueth: which, also, could not bee so preserved by their ministerie: It hath a manifolde Sophistication, for (to let bee that whereby our men have often answe­red them, by faire Catalogues (from cleare Storie) of famous and worthie men, in all ages, holdinge the truth and striving against arysing corruption) they are, here, even in Logike, rediculous, concluding (as schooles speake) ab authoritate negative, whereon nothing doth follow, they were not perceaved nor known, or they are [Page 34] not recorded: Erg [...], they were not, who seeth not the weaknes of this consequence? [...] Kings 18.13. & 19.18. In the dayes of Ahab and Iezabel, though princes have long eares, and, Prophets, in God his matters, bee sharpe sighted, yet, a hundreth Pro­phets, in one cave, and seven thousand true worshippers in one kingdome, escaped the knowledge not onely of Ahab and Iezabel, but even of Elias also: An other fallacie is in this, that, because they are not recorded, and, so, are not knowen to the world, now: that, therefore they were not knowen in their owne times. It followeth not, for re­cordes beare commonly, but what obtaineth in the tyme: so as, albeit some men, in each tyme, have, either opposed them selves to prevailing evils, or, at least, not beeing a­ble to resist a speat of iniquity, have keeped them selves pure from the corruption, and were knowen to the Godly then: yet, as they were borne downe in the tyme, so, nei­ther hath any record of thē come to the posteritie: through the tyrannie of such who, not onely, maister-fully, did set fordward wickednes, but also disposed of all registers and recordes of matters, at their pleasure: Daylie experience maketh this more then manifest. How many, in all ages, and in all countries, will sigh for the evill which iniquity of time carieth through? And, from that which in a Pro­vince, Church, or Synode, is enacted and taketh place in the whole, in common, without open resistance: to con­clude, that, in that Province, Church, or Synode, vniver­sally each one did think so, and that none were contrarie mynded: whom doeth not daylie proofe teach; that it were a ridiculous illation? How many will give open signification of miscontentment; whose both meaning and memorie yet wilbe buried from the posteritie? How many, in weaknes, will beholde, and tolerat, what they can not resist; or without evident danger cōdemne? How many, at the first signification of opposition, will bee silen­ced and terrified, with some such check as this; Art thou also of Galilie? Was not Christ condemned by the whole Coun­sell of the Priests; and yet, the Scripture witnesseth, that [Page 35] divers of the Priests did believe in him? Iohn 7.5 [...], Iohn 12.4 [...] If one, presentlie, writing a story, should, therein, affirme, that, in Italie, all vniversally did now hold the Roman religion: the future ages could have no reason but to esteeme it true: but we, who now live, would laugh him to heading as a shame­les lier; if hee but denyed that many hundreth were even in Rome, who hold the Pope to bee Antichrist. The third deceit, in this their argumētation is, that from their owne knowledge, that is the knowledge of the earthly ones fol­lowing the beast, they conclude of all mens knowledge, absolutly: against the rules of Logike. For, although nei­ther the beast nor his wondering sectatours did see them or heare their song (which, was GOD his speciall care and providence for their preservation) yet the sealed ones and followers of the Lambe, did, each generation, in their owne ryme, both see and heare them: as, by Scripture, is manifest. Their fourth illusion, herein, is in that, vpon this, that no opposition was made to their Pope, they conclude that none were contrarie minded. Wherein, besides that they, still reason, ab authoritate negative, and, so, doe impinge, foul [...]y, in all the sortes above specified: And, that, by cleare instāces, in abages, of famous learned men taxing the abu­ses of religion, I might convince them: as divers of our men have alreadie done: they deceave also, crastily, by cō ­funding tymes and cases. For, as the degrees of the myste­rie of iniquity wrought on slowlie, at first, and Antichrist did not moūt vp to the height of Satan his throne at once: so the measure and manner of contesting behooved, in course of tyme and grouth of evill, to bee much divers. No age, since the Apostolike tymes, brought not with it some degree of grouth to that mischiefe, which, even in their dayes was a hatching [...] and, no age, accordingly hath not left behind it (in despyte of all repressing and suppressing tyranny) recordes of some grievous complaints, of holy men, vpon the abuses in the tyme. Love is ever loath to cast of, till all hope and possibility of remedie bee clearlie pa [...]t. The pretence of the Lambe his hornes, and of Pro­pheticall [Page 36] authority caried him long outso, not only in hi [...] first and more tolerable beginnings, but, even in an insu­ing hudge height of impious vsurpation: and multitudes even of true, but simple sheepe, following, in vprightnes of mynd, the common ensigne, and (through not discer­ning of the Dragon his mouth vnder the semblance of the Lambe his hornes) receaving his name, Revel. 13. or at least, his number, but never his character, so strengthened him: as, men had not yet gotten either the knowledge or the cou­rage to challenge him directlie for Antichrist: who, yet, both hated and abhorred his impiety, and, freely, taxed it, both by word and writ. And, it was the Lorde his will, that, before open and full contestation, in the highest de­gree, his impious vsurpation should mount to the highest. While GOD gave even Iezabel tyme to repent her of her fornications, Revel. 2.21. & 9.20.21 that the more justlie shee might bee cast, at length, in the bed of torment. Whose whoordomes, that the true servants of God did tolerat so long, it was, indeed, a point of weaknes in them, and, for which, the Lord had som­thing against them, but, no argument, wherefore either they were not his true and beloved servantes, or yet, that they were not at al: as sophistically, our adversaries doe inferre. And, this their infirmitie, will appeare, yet, the lesse won­derful, if we consider how, with the degrees of arising im­piety, antichrist, also, arose to greater & greater impatiency of any cure: and to a tyrannicall intreating of opposers. At first, some freedom was of admonitions: therafter, they were repressed by deprivations, degradations, & excom­munications. At last, hee becommeth all and whollie of the Dragon his coulour, and barbarouslie sheddeth the blood of Saints. All which course of his waxing impietie and condition of Saints vnder and against him, are so clearelie set foorth by the holy Ghost, as I even loath to spend so many wordes in so plaine a matter. And, verelie, if compassion of the weake (whom they stupifie with these bugbaires) did not moove me, I would not once [...]ake and were to such blind leaders of the blind, and men [Page 37] so perverslie contentious, against, not onely invincible reasons, but, even clearlie foretold and fallen out cases. The two witnesses (a sufficient though a small number) had a long tyme of prophecying, Revel. 11. and, albeit in heavines, for the prevailing evill, and succes of the mysterie of ini­quitie, yet without open contestation. But, corruption growing to such height (the beast not onely sitting in the holy city & court of the temple, but also treadding downe all true worship therein) as, of necessitie, the right rod of examination behooved to be applied to discerne the tem­ple (the true Church) and to trye, if City and court, being so far polluted, could possibly come in the account of God his house, or were to bee cast out. Then, the applying of the rod, made Antichrist to perceave such to bee within him, as he thought not of whom, when, thereupon, he had so cruellie murthered, even with applause of the blind worlde, as they seemed not onely to be no more, but, also, that their memorie was reproachfull and odious: yet, hee did find them revived, in greater strength, and, visiblie, at last to his griefe & terrour, to obtaine the tytle & account of the true Church: Wherat, his kingdome falleth. And this course of the Lord his working, as it sheweth his great patience, to the justifying of his iudgements, against so ob­stinatlie impenitent an apostasie: so it answereth abūdant­lie the foolishe demands of our adversaries, whereby, in al the force of eloquence which a badde cause can affoord them, Maister Iohn Fras [...], in his chal­lenge. they aske, why, in any case, wee would not rather have reformed the Church, then overthrow her; and cured her rather then killed her, & forsaken her fellowship? For, first, they are stil ridiculous in assuming the question, by v­surping to thēselves the tytle of the Church: of which they are not, & in which they are no otherwayes then a soare & proper evill of that body. VVe have not forsaken the Church but have brought the Church out of Babel, wherein shee was long captive. We have not fled from the Church or left the ensigne: but cleaving stil to the ensigne & true Church, Revel. 13. we have iustly, gone asyde from the traitour in the church, pretending the [Page 38] Lambe his hornes, Act. 19.9. but speaking with the mouth of the Dragon. We have not rent the vnitie of the Church, but, by the example of the Apostle, we have separated the Dis­ciples from refractarie enemies. Ierem. 51.9. Wee were so farre from wounding the Church, as faine, would wee have cured Babel (in the Church) but shee neither could nor would be cured. I [...]r. 51.26. So, we behooved to leave her as a burnt moun­taine, wherein, could not be found, any more, a stone for a corner or for a foundation. Her grapes were become as the grapes of Ad [...]a [...], and her vine as the vine of Tzeboim. that, without so much as once looking behind vs, wee be­hooved to goe vp to the mountaine for our lives, and for­sake Sodom. Genes. 19. Revel. 11. And least we should be partakers in her iudge­ments, we have great reason (it being said to vs Come vp hi­ther) to escape, and be like the he goates of the flock: com­ming out from among that contagious & incurable com­panie, and touching no vncleane thing. Did we goe out of Babel, till there was no balme for her soare? Did she not so farre refuse all medicine, as, we lay cruellie slaine and barbarouslie vnburied in the streetes, before we left her? And yet, one of their mylde men (sorie, as seemeth, they had no more of our blood) is not ashamed to aske: why we did not rather chuse to suffer for the truth, if so be we hold it, then to have rent the vnitie of the Church? Thus, still the Whoore, impudentlie, braggeth of the Brydes name: and, albeit her filthines be discovered, yet shameleslie ha­ving eaten, Pr [...]v. 3 [...].10 Shee wipeth her mouth, and sayeth, shee hath commit­ted no iniquitie.

20. Now, I hope, I have cleared, that, howsoever the promise of God can not faile, but that truth ever abydeth in the Church: yea, and by the ministrie of true pastours, is, and hath alwayes bene maintained therein: yet, nei­ther have our adversaries anie thing whereof to boast heerein, as, who neither are the true Church nor true Pa­stours of it: neither, albeit both Church and Pastours communiter omnes (all in common) have fallen away from this truth, that it derogateth ought to the veritie of God [Page 39] his promises: whom, as, it pleaseth, sometime, (for mag­nifying and manifestation of his truth and power, in man his falsehood and weakenes) to preserve his truth, in a smal sparkle, in, and by a few secret sealed ones: so, when hee will have it to breake foorth in a great fyre, for chas­sing away and dispelling all overclouding errour, hee both may and hath, at all such occasions, raise vp men ex­traordinarily, in the way of righteousnes, and in evidence of his spirit and power: to the iust conviction and confu­sion of them, who having the ordinarie place of husband men, in the Vineyard, yet were become murtherers and having the ordinarie place of builders of the house, yet were destroyers. Neither tendeth this, to open a doore, for anie, to despise the Church of God. Which, whosoe­ever heareth not, Mat. 18.17 let him be a Heathen and a Publicane: Neither giveth it libertie to cōtemne the ordinarie means of God his dispensation by Pastours (seeing none, ordina­rilie, can beleeve but by hearing, Rom. 10.41. or heare, but by prea­ching) but, as I have said before, it is to waken Pastours to looke to their ministerie, and how they keepe the cove­nant of Levie: and not securilie to sleepe, and whyle they looke but to their own wayes, Malach. 2. yet proudlie, to make God the varlet of their affections. And, on the other part, it is to stirre all Christians to a carefull studie to discerne be­twixt the true church and the Synagogue of Sathan, Revel. 2.9. cal­ling themselves Iewes, and yet, are not: and betwixt true Pastours, Math. 7.15. and false propheres, cōming in sheepes clothing, but within are ravening wolves: for it becommeth men not to be rechles in so important a matter. and, if it had not bene both a high and requisite point of wisedome, the Lord and his Apostles had not given so many sad and seri­ous warnings to that effect.

21. Here, now, as at the pulling from them of their Palla­dium, to the evident peril of their Pergamus, & Satans throne in it, Revel. 2.13. and the vndoubted subversion of their execrable Ili­um, they cry out a great cry and a bitter. That, if thus, men once depart from the iudgement of the Church, what cer­tain [Page 40] warrant can they ever finde to stay on? or, What guyde can they be sure to follow; for finding out of truth? So; still, they cease not to dallie, and, shameleslie, in one sort. Wee would not have men to depart from the iudge­ment of the Church (which is the piller and stable seate of truth, and without which is neither veritie nor lyfe) but, howe much we are necessarilie to cleave thereto, so much the more carefullie, by the right rule of examinati­on, to trye and discerne betwixt the Church, and the pre­tending harlot, and, to this end, the Lord hath given vs his word & his spirit: and, in all ages, hath recommended them to his owne children, as vndoubted guydes, in all doubtfull cases, so vnder the lawe, men are ever exhorted to the lawe & the Testimonie. David, and the Prophets di­rect al men, Luk. 16.29. Iohn 5.39. 2. P [...]t. 1.19. alwayes, thereto, they have the Lawe and the Pro­phets, saith Abraham, in parables. And, our Lord, for cleare testimonie of himselfe, biddeth the Iewes search the scrip­tures. Peter, from an other spirit, then have our adversa­ries, calleth the word of the Prophets a sure and certaine word, 1. Timoth. 3.14. &c. Throughout [...] 4. and exhorteth to attend thereto. And, Paul, even vpon this that the Church is the house of God, the piller and stable seat of trueth, and that godlines is a great my­sterie, groundeth both a reason why hee did write to Ti­mothie, and an earnest exhortation, to take heed to the reading of the scripturs: for that many, diverting therefrō, and giving themselves to spirits of error and fables, should fall from the truth, and teach doctrines of Devils. We read many warning not to be miscaried with common errors or the authoritie of men: yea, as I have before touched, di­vers times, both Pastors and people, in common, are taxed for falling away from the word. We are exhorted, careful­lie, to proove and try what word men doe offer vnto vs, but never, in all scripture, have we so much as one mine, of secure relying vpon the authoritie of ordinarie Pastors, without due examination, and the iudgement of al sound antiquitie accordeth hereto. One of the Fathers saith thus, Qui vuls cognoscere quae sit vera ecclesia non cognoscat nisi tautumm [...]d [...] [Page 41] per scripturas. and sone after, A [...]thor [...] ris imperfe­cti in Math. homil. 49. Christiani ergo volentes firmitatem ac­cipere doctrina verae ad nullam rem fugiant nisi ad Scripturas: ali [...]qui si ad alia respexerint, scandaliz abuntur & peribunt non intelligentes qu [...] sit vera ecclesia, & per hoc incident in abhominationem desolationis qu [...] stat in sanctis ecclesi [...] locis, the place is remarkeable, & in En­glish thus, who wil know which is the true church, let him not seeke to know it but only by the scriptures, &c. Chri­stians, then, willing to receave the stable assurance of true doctrine, let them runne to nothing but to the scriptures, otherwayes if they look to ought else, they shall stumble and perish, not vnderstanding which is the true Church: and shall fall, hereby, in the abhomination of desolation which standeth in the holy places of the church. This same is yet more plainly shewed in these wordes, quum videri­tis, &c. (that is) when ye shall see vngodly heresie, which is the armie of Antichrist, standing in the holy places of the Church, then, let them who are in Iudea, flee to the moun­taines: that is, they who are of christianitie, addresse them­selves to the scriptures: because, when once that heresie hath obtained place in these Churches, there can bee no tryall of true christianitie, neither any other refuge for christians willing to know the veritie of the faith, but the divine and holy Scriptures. And the same Chrisostome in the same place; Antea multis modis, &c. before, many wayes was shewed which was the Church of Christ, but, nowe, no maner of way but by the Scriptures. Thus is cleare not only that the scripture is the sole rule of tryall: but that the necessarie reason why only to have recourse thereto is Antichrist his obtaining so farre within the Church, as, to escape the abhomination of desolation standing therein: also, wee must runne and runne only to the Scriptures. Non enim per alium (saieth Ireneus) dispositionem salutis n [...] ­strae cognovimus quam per eos, Libro 3 [...]. cap. 3. per quos Evangelium pervenit ad n [...], quod quidem tunc praecomaverunt, postea ver [...], per Dei vol [...] ­tatem, in scripturis nobis tradiderunt fundamentum & columnam fidei nostr [...] futurum: (that is) for by none other have wee knowne the disposition of our salvation, but by these, [Page 42] by whom the Gospell hath come vnto vs, which then they preached, and thereafter, by the will of God, delivered to vs in the Scriptures, to remain, in all tymes to come, the foundation and piller of our faith. The same father in ano­ther place speaketh thus: Lib. 5. Plantatus est enim Ecclesiae Paradisus i [...] hoc mundo: ab omni ergo ligno P [...]radisi manducabis, id est, ab omni scriptura dominica, &c. that is, for the Paradise of the Church is planted in this world: thou shall eat therefore of every tree of Paradise, that is, of all the Lord his Scripture. And as Ierome sayeth both pleasantly and pertinently, When ever the Church looketh to any other warrant egreditur de finibus suis (she passeth out of her owne bounds) let any man, in whom is left any spunk of spirituall sense, conferre these sayings of the Fathers with the dealing and doctrine of Rome now, labouring ever to divert men from this Pa­radise of the Scriptures, where only is the fruit of lyfe, to a barren wildernes without water and Cisternes of their owne digging, and, thus, making millions to fall in that abhomination of desolation which standeth in the holy places of the Church, but their soares are seene, & they shal prevaile no longer.

22. They exclame, here, against vs, that, thus, we pervert all order in God his house: making every privat Christian iudge over Pastours, and subduing the spirit of the Church to every privat spirit. And, O how they both please them­selves, and play themselves in amplifying the absurditie, as they think, of this point. But, to calme, a little, their chear heerein. First, I aske them, is it not a common dire­ction for all Christians; to trye spirits, and not to believe every spirit? 1. Iohn 4. 1. Thes. 5.21. Are we not cōmanded, to proove al things; & to hold that which is good? Are we not often, & carefully exhorted, to beware of false Prophets? While they cannot, or dare not (though they would) gainsay so cleare Scrip­ture, they runne to this: that the only sure trial is, to acqui­esce in the iudgement of the Church. But, shameles men, is not this all one thing as if they said, the best triall were to [...]se no triall at all? And what doe they, hereby, but still as­sume [Page 43] the question? It is the true church, within the visible church, which we have to trie: and, how we shall rightlie discerne the bryde from the harlot. It is in a commō pre­tence and audaciouslie acclaimed title of the church, and prophetical authoritie, to discerne wisely the true church from the Sinagogue of Satan calling thēselves Iewes: and the voice of the true shepheard, frō the Dragon his mouth even in the temple of God. We wil acquiesce in the iudg­ment of the church: but, we must first know that it is she, and not a masket harlot vnder that name. Yea, and even then, not acquiesce simplie, because it is her voice, but be­cause by the word and spirit, we perceave her to speak the words of the brydgrom: and that, therfore she is the bryde and true mother of vs all. O, but thus say they, you stil sub­iect the spirit of the church to everie privat spirit: & make lay men iudges over Pastours, to whom Christ hath com­mitted the governemēt of his house. If I aske them, what they do meane by this their distinction of a publike and privat spirit; what can they answer? ar their mindes so stil plunged in the pudle of their predicamēts, as they imagin the spirit of Christ to be a Species divided in individua? dare they say, that there be divers spirites, or, that the Church hath any otherwayes the spirit, but because al the mēbers of her body are indued with one and the same spirit; each according to the measure of the donation of Christ? there is but one spirit, albeit divers administrations and opera­tions. Now, if every true member of the church hath one and the same spirit, for what vse have they it? Or dare any be so blasphemous as to imagine that the spirit of God cā be in any without some spiritual operations? have not the children of God the spirit, that, thereby they may both dis­cerne the things of God; and be capable of them? for the naturall man can not: but the spiritual man discerneth al things & is iudged of none. and, as the spirit of mā know­eth & iudgeth the things of men, so doth the spirit of God, the things of God. Our adversaries here delude the simple with a deceitfull aequivocation: from that ordinarie pre­rogative [Page 44] of governement and iudgement given to Pa­stours, concluding, falslie, of all spirituall sense and gust given to all and everie Christians, for iudging and discer­ning, heavenlie things, by the spirit of God in them. And, because the gift of dispensation, and ordinarie governe­ment is peculiarlie given to Church-men, or Pastours, vn­der an aequivocation, they wil spoile all and everie privat Christian of al spiritual sense, and discerning facultie: If a stewart of an house, to whom the dispensation is cōmitted of distributing food to the familie, did offer to a child or servant of the house a stone in stead of bread, or, a serpent for a fishe: and, if the child or servant did, therefore, reiect them: had he place, by reason of the dispensation commit­ted to him, to quarrell either the child or servant, for vsur­ping his office? The horse, or oxe, which neither have the skill nor place given them by nature, to provide or dis­pense to themselves their foode: yet, by naturall sense, have allotted to them, this facultie, to discerne haye from thornes, and provander from gravel. Any common sensi­ble man, which hath not the art either to teach himselfe or others musike, yet, naturallie, perceaved a ia [...]e therein, and sturreth at it. and, hath his Maister of art place, here­vpon, to expostulat that hee taketh too much on him? In divine matters, God, alone, properlie, is Iudge: and, the Church is index (that is declarer) non index (not iudge) of his will or word. No more then heraults of armes are iudges or discerners, but intimaters, of the Prince his pleasure: and, yet, in a peculiar manner, and by a speciall power, which no common subiect, may or dare vsurpe; who, yet, all of them have place to crave & examine their warrant. that ordinarie and peculiar power of dispensation, gover­nement, and iudgement, according to the warrant of God his word and will thereby, proper to publike office-bea­rers and spiritual heraulds, is one thing, and the spiritual gust or facultie given to all Christians, whereby to try & discerne, whither it be food or poyson; a stone or bread; a fishe or a serpent, that is dispensed vnto them: whither it [Page 45] be the voice of the sheepheard, which they heare, or the voice of a stranger, it is another thing, we admit not everie subiect to vsurpe the place of herauld, nor every sheep to v­surpe the office or power of a sheepheard. But, by the great sheepheard his own testimonie, we know, that whosoever are his sheepe, Iohn 1 [...]. they will discerne betwixt voices: and, so, learne to avoide the thiefe, & follow the true sheephearde. These two, our adversaries, either maliciouslie or igno­rantlie, and, sophisticallie, cōfound: vnder pretence of that which is the Pastours part, by aequivocation, pulling from the sheep, all spirituall sense: so, making them, in stead of lightened & living mēbers of Christ, dead & sensles: thus, to miscarie them whither they list. To Pastors we yeeld, al­wayes, both the place & honor of dispēsing food to the fa­milie: yea & that so far forth, as we absolve not any Chri­stian from the necessitie of submitting himselfe to God his ordinance therein. But as Christ hath given his spirit to al his sheep, whereby they live spiritually: and, hath left his word to be the only food of his house, for fostering & nou­rishing that life: so, we affirme, that al true sheep, even who hath neither the skill nor the power to be their owne car­vers, have, yet, by his spirit in them (that vnction which teacheth all things) a spiritual discerning facultie to know what is propined them, 1. Iohn 2.20. so, as even the weakest in that fa­cultie, yet having in any measure, the true gust, albeit, in infirmitie, he wil be brought to muse & doubt, ye & som­time to mistake that for food which is not, yet as a mā see­king after some precious Iewell, though many things in apparance like it, present them selves to him, and even de­tain his mind, as doubting, but som of thē may be his dar­ling: yet this is ever stil without satisfaction of heart. so as he cannot rest nor acquiesce, but still his mind giveth him that he is deceaved. and so hee, still searceth and sendeth after something, which he hath not, as yet, gottē: and if he could yet but once see, he would sone know. Vpon which having fallen, then as two wel accorded lutes, the one be­ing stricken, the other also soundeth: so at the first sight, [Page 46] his heart leapeth and is filled with ioye, his mynd with cleare light, and his soule with solide peace. And, then, he, disdainfully, casteth from him these counterfaits, which he never heartelie embraced. Is it not a strange impuden­cie, in these men; that, in so manifold warnings, given vs by our Lord, to trye well what wee embrace or hold; and in so faire a facultie affoorded vs by his spirit dwelling in vs, to proove things, that they notwithstanding, dare, so malapertlie, exact, of Christians, a blind obedience, and implicit faith? Who setteth any wares a seale, boasting of their fynesse, and, yet, in any case, will not have them lookt on, or tryed, but, will bee, blindlings, believed vpon his baire word: for me, I would never seeke any greater argument, that hee were a thiefe, and no true marchant. The Romanists plead, stoutlie, that the truth is with them: why? Because they are the Church, and why the Church? Because they have an ordinarie succession of Pastours since the Apostolik tymes. If, here, you vrge, that in so farre as, often, personall succession holdeth not the same doctrine, but, even all, in common, have and may fall therefrom, therefore, to approove themselves true suc­cessours to the Apostles, they must also verifie themselves to hold the same doctrine: Act. 7.54. then their hearts brust for anger, and they will gnashe at you with their teeth, and crie out, fye on such an heretike as once thinketh such a blasphemie. That no such thing hath befallen, or possiblie could be­fall the Church. If yet they bee requyred, to bring, then, their doctrine to due examination, by the written worde. No: but you must, fide implicita, believe them vpon their word. And, albeit Scripture did seeme never so farre to condemne them, yet you must not suspect any evill of them, why? Because that is onely the true sense of Scrip­ture which they approve, so as you must not so much as doubt, or once call in question their interpretation. And why? Because, foresooth, they are the Church. Is not this, proudlie to mocke God; and, impudentlie, to delude men? Is not this, to picke out the eies of the worlde, [Page 47] to cary them, blindfolded, as oxen, to the slaughter; and, as fooles to the stockes, for correction? Augustin, pleading for the truth, and, having, trulie, for him all, which our adversaries doe, falslie, glorie of: yet, sheweth, that he was of another spirit, which taught him, that verity was other­wayes to bee defended, then by such subterfuges, as they, in an evill conscience flee to. Contra Ep. fundam [...]nt. His words are these, Nemo nostrum dicat jam inve [...]isse veritatem, sic [...]am queramus quasi ab vtris (que) nesciatur. Ita enim diligenter & concorditer queri potest si nul­la temeraria praesumptione inventa & cognita esse credatur: aut, si & hoc à vobis impetrare non possumus, saltem illud concedite vt vos tan­quam incognitos nunc primum audiam nunc primum discutiam: ju­stum puto esse quod postulo, hac sane lege servata vt vobiscum non orem, non conventicula celebrem, non Manichaei nomen accipiam, si non mihi de omnibus rebus ad salutem animae pertinentibus sine vlla caligine rationem perspicuam dederis. That is, let none of vs say, that he hath alreadie found out the truth, let vs so seek it as if it were vnknowen to vs both. For, so, it may be di­ligentlie and peaceably sought out, if, in a rashe presump­tion, men doe not esteeme that they have, alreadie, found and knowen it. Or, if neither this can be obtained of you, yet grant me that other, at least, that I may now first heare you, and, now first, trye you, as vnknowen before. I think it bee an equitable thing which I crave, observing, fore­sooth, this rule, that I neither pray with you, nor keep conventicles, nor take the name of a Manichaean, ex­cept of all things concerning the salvation of my soule, you give me, without any obscuritie, a most cleare rea­son. And, in that same place, vt ergo hanc omittam sapien­tiam quam in Ecclesia esse Catholica non creditis, multa sunt alia, quae in [...]ius gremio me justissime teneant. Tenet consensus populorum atque gentium, tenet authoritas miraculis inchoata, spe nutrita, charitate aucta, vetustate firmata, tenet ab ipsa sede Petri Apostoli cui pascen­das oves suas post resurrectionem Dominus commendavit, vsque ad presentem episcopatum successio sacerdotum, &c. Ista ergo tot & tanta Christiani nominis charissima vincula recte hominem tenent credentem in Catholica Ecclesia etiamsi propter nostrae intelligentiae tarditatem vel [Page 48] vita merit [...]m veritas nondum se apertissime [...]stendat: Apud vos autem [...]i nihil horum est quod me invitet ac teneat, sola personat veritatis pollicitati [...], quaequidem si tam manifesta monstratur, vt in dubiu [...] ve [...]i [...]e non possit, praeponenda est omnibus ill [...]s rebus, quibus in Cath [...] ­lica teneo [...]. (that is) to passe by, then, that wisedome which you beleeve not to be within the Catholike Church, there be many other things also, which most iustlie doe holde me within her bosome, the consent of peoples and nati­ons: the authority by miracle begon, nourished by hope, increased by love, and stablished by antiquitie: a successi­on of Priestes from the selfe seat of Peter the Apostle (to whom Christ after his resurrection, recommended the fee­ding of his sheepe) even to this present Bishoprike, &c. These then, so many and deare bands of christianitie, doe rightlie hold a mā, beleeving, within the catholik churh, though for the slownes of our vnderstanding, or merit of our life, the truth do not as yet most plainly shew it selfe. But, with you, where none of these are either to draw [...]e or detaine me, nothing soundeth but a bare promise of the truth, which notwithstanding, if you can so evidentlie shew, as it cannot be doubted of, it is to be preferred to all these other things whereby I am holden within the Ca­tholike Church.

23. But, this truth (say they) can neither bee shewed but by the church, which, only, hath it: neither could men bee otherwayes induced to beleeve the Gospell, except there­with, the authoritie of the church did move thē, as Augustin speaketh: Contra Ep. f [...]damen­tal. ego vero Evangelio nō crederem nisi me ecclesiae commove­ret authorita [...]. We denie not that the church only hath, and sheweth the truth. Yea we grant also, that, according to Augustin his mind in that place, the authority of the church is the ordinarie and necessarie motive whereby a infidell who neither knoweth Christ, nor beleeveth the Gospell, may & wil be first induced to reverence religion: but it is but a cōmotive, Libro de vtilitate [...]. and, as the same Augustin speaketh, oportunū inquirendi exordium, so as albeit men be so stirred to reverēce & inquire, yet they rest not vpō this, that the church saith [Page 49] so, Iohn 4.42. no more thē did the Samaritans vpon their womans re­port, but because by the word & spirit they finde that shee speaketh true, Augustin. contra Ep. fundamen­tal. cap. 14. non iam hominibus sed Deo intrinsecus mentem illu­minante atque firmante. for, as in his testimonie little above cited, he saith, there be many things which be great moti­ves to hold a man in the bosome of the church, yet trueth manifested is to be preferred to all, and, as truth is only in the church, and shewed onely by the Church, so is it, that, which only maketh the church to be the church, & wher­by, only, she is discerned. O, but all heretikes (say they) doe pretend the truth. yes verilie, and the name and title of the true church also, and so much the greater ought our atten­tion and care be to examine all their pretences. For, bare pretence of truth, as it never yet did, so neither ever shall it be able to beare outfalshood longer, then by the right rule of examination it is reduced to due tryall. It is a great fal­lacie, because that truth can be no where found, but in the church, nor shewed by anie but by the church, and that the authoritie of the church, as a fit entrie to inquire by, first induceth men to reverence and seeke after the truth: therevpon, to conclude that truth, opened, hath no other vertue, or cleare note, whereby to be discerned from con­testing errour, but the authoritie of men affirming it. For, being admitted to plead for it selfe, it is not so weak (as to blindfold men, 2. Cor. 4.4. our adversaries would make thē believe) but that anie, whose eyes the prince of this worlde hath not pyked out, or, whose hearts, forstalled prejudices have not hardened, may easilie discerne it from lyes: indeed, these, to whom, in God his iustice, the mysteries of the kingdome are spokē in parables, Math. 13.11. &c. that hearing, they should not heare or vnderstand; and seeing, they shuld not see or perceive, can never discerne them. But, they to whom it is given to vnderstand them, wil clearlie & wel. for a scorner seeketh wisedome and findeth it not, but knowledge is easie to him that will vnderstande. Prov. 13. [...]. and, as it is a vaine thing to reason with, or offer any sound instruction to a drunken man, while his wine is on him, and possesseth all his senses: so, is [Page 50] all travell, taken for clearing truth but fruitles towardes such as God hath given over to the bewitching cuppe of fornicatiō. but, who neither in pride, singularitie, nor bit­ternes, are wedded to their owne will, or to the will and appetit of men. and, give a free and an vnforstalled heart to God, Iohn 7.17. to doe in singlenes his will, they will know of the do­ctrine whither it bee of God, or whither men speake of them selves. as witnesseth the Lord him selfe: Prov. 8.9. and, as Solomon, in the spirit, speaketh of the words of wisedome, They are all plaine to him that will vnderstande, 1. Cor. 3.13. and streight to them that would finde know­ledge. For, as saith the Apostle: The day maketh every man his worke manifest: Ephes. 5.13. for it shall bee revealed by the fire. The word of God is not like the word of men. He that hath the worde of the Lord, Ierem. 23.28.29. let him speake it faithfullie what is the chaffe to the VVheat, saith the Lord. Is not my word even like the fire; and like a hammer that breaketh the stone? as the lilie among the thornes, so is my love among the daughters: Cant. 2.2.3 and, as the apple tree among the trees of the forrest, s [...] i [...] my well-beloved among the sonnes of men: Ecclesiast. 12.11. The wordes of the VVyse are like Goads and like nails, fastened by the Maisters of the assemblies, given by one Pastor. Yea, even as the night flyeth before the sunne, in such sort, as no thiknes of clouds or foggie mist can so farre darken, but that men doe easelie discerne th [...] light of day: so trueth, once shewing her face (howe fewe, howe base, or howe weake soever the instruments bee) then, nether multitude, nor high qualitie of maintainers, nor prescription of tyme and prevailing darknes, can give to error any strength to stand against it. For, the wise re­solution of Gamaliel holdeth, Act. 5.38.39. ever, true, that if the Counsell or worke bee of men, it will come to nought, but if it be of God, none can destroy it: but, even, in that wicked endeavour, they will be found fighters against God. The powerfull, yea & miraculous prevailing light of the Gospell, whereby, against all the deceit, force, and malice of Satan, & power of the world, Antichrist is so sensiblie going to destruction: that, howe­soever they obstinatlie blaspheme, yet, they are gnawing their toungs for sorow: it sheweth sufficiently, what pow­er is in the word of truth against al oppositiō whatsoever.

[Page 51]24. And, this miraculous successe, and evident finger of God, wee, indeed, glorie of, in the Lord, who, thus, beareth witnes to the worde of his truth. Whereby as by the roare of a Lyon seconded with seven thunders, Anti­christ is thunderstricken with astonishment and going, sensiblie, to pouder. Neither doe wee this, for that wee thinke vs holden to produce miracles for a warrant of our doctrine or callings: as our adversaries, iesting (but with fained chear) at this our successe, require of vs. For, a wic­ked and adulterous generation requireth a signe, Math. 12.39. and no signe shall be given them but that of the Prophet Ionas: and, that, albeit they destroy this Temple, yet God shall raise it vp againe in three dayes. Ihon. 2.18.19. This signe they have got­ten, and have seene it to their terrour and iust confusion. In that, howsoever, with al malice, fraud, and barbarous feritie, Revel. [...]. they have crucified the Lod Iesus in his members, and destroyed his true Temple: albeit his faithfull wit­nesses lay slaine and vnburied in the streetes of their great Citie, Revel. 14. [...]. three dayes and a halfe, yet God raised them vp a­gaine. But, to discover yet, more clearelie, in this point, their either ignorance, or evill cōscience, or both. I would aske thē, who, thus, cry after miracles, if we did work alse many, yea and in appearance, alse great miracles, as ever did Christ, and all other Prophets or Apostles: would they therefore beleeve vs; teaching any other gospel thē which is alreadie taught and written? they are worthie, indeed, whom God should give vp, in his iustice, to this grossenes, who, by false miracles and lying wonders, have seduced the world to believe lyes. Yet, I think there is none of thē that dare say so. If thē, our doctrine be new (as they stout­lie affirme) how vaine are they to require of vs miracles? when onely, this, that it is new, may sufficientlie improve it not only being destitut of miracles, but even albeit it were backed with al the wonders of the world. But if our doctrine be not new, but even that everlasting Gospell: then, their desire, prooveth them to bee a wicked & adulterous generation. If anie man or Angell preach any other Go­spell [Page 52] then which hath beene taught and written, though hee remove mountaines, Deutr. 13. let him be Anathema. In the verie infancie of the old Church vnder the law, when, in a smal measure of dispensation, miracles had their owne place & vse: the Lord, yet, was so farre from making them the warrant of truth, as, even then, hee would have them con­trolled by the word of truth. Now, shame, I think, shall dryve our adversaries to say, that they requyre not mira­cles of vs for a warrant of doctrine: but that, seeing wee have no ordinarie vocation, of Pastours in the Church, that for maintenance of the lawfulnes of our extraor­dinarie calling, wee have to worke miracles. Who, of any sound mynd, can not but extreamlie wonder; how, by so manifold and childishe a cavillation, men affec­ting the opinion of learning and holynes, should so evi­dentlie make themselves ridiculous and bewray open­lie an evill conscience? For, first, as I have already clea­red, for our Churches, in common, they are impudent to deny our ordinarie vocation. But, to let this passe with them, if my doctrine proove it selfe to bee the truth, what place have such men as it convinced to bee [...]yers, to except against my vocation; which justifieth it selfe sufficientlie even by that fame? Math. 7.16. Doe men gather grapes of thornes, or fygges of thistles? And, if necessitie were of miracles, Mat. 21.42 what greater can bee then this; that, The stone even reiected of the builders, is yet made the head of the cor­ner? Which by the Lord his owne Testimony, is marveilous in our eies, and, yet it is the Lod his doing. If our doctrine bee truth, their mouthes are stopped who, directlie, impugne it: and, if it bee false, what foolishnes is it to crave a warrant of our callings; as if all the miracles which ever were wrought, could warrant a man to teach lyes? Besides all this, that miracles are, alwayes requisite for iustifying an extraordinarie callinge, it is falslie assu­med. For, Mat. 21.25. of Iohne Baptist (whose callinge, Christ his an­swer to the Priestes, prooverh to have beene extraordina­rie) it is witnessed, [...]hn. 10.4 [...]. that hee wrought no miracles: as [Page 53] neither did divers Prophets, Chris [...]. in Math. ho­mil. 47. before him. And, whatsoe­ver was, then, either vsed or requisit, while that man­ner of dispensation had place, yet, now, when the whole Counsell of GOD is reveiled, and, that manner of dispensation altered: miracles, in these our tymes, with­out any more, were even enough, wherefore to mi­strust the worker. For that, howsoever at the beginning of the Gospell (in so strange and great alterations, as were, the inbringing of the Gentiles, and the abrogation of the legall worshippe, which was of GOD his owne appointement) it was, as sayeth Augustin, miraculis inchoata (begun with miracles:) yet, now, the Sonne of man having long agoe, come in his kingdome with power, and the Sinagogue beeing buried with honour: the case, in these last tymes, 2. Thes. 2. varieth so farre, as, miracles and wonders are the badge of Antichrist: who hath come with all effectuall working of Sathan, in signes, lying wonders, and strong delusion. So, as, whosoever, now, worketh miracles, Lib. 21. de ci [...]itate Dei cap. 7. quanto magis mira [...]ilia confi [...]emur, tanto cautius vitare debemus. (How much more wonderfull wee confesse them to be, wee ought the more warilie to eshew them) as sayeth the same Augustin. And, this diversitie o [...] dispensation, the holy Ghost, in goodly and convenient types, most fitlie expresseth, Chapter 4. and Chapter 15. of the Revelation. In the first is put a cleare Christallin Sea, with seven burning Lampes, apart. So, to designe the pure word & worship according thereto, in these first tymes, accompanied with the powerfull cooperation of the holy spirit: but, in such sort, as then, there was a distinct outward and visible dispensation, and dona­tion of the holy spirit, by imposition of hands: and kyth­ing in visible symbols of the holy spirit, and divers gifts, and miraculous operations. In the fifteene Chapter, is shewed again, that the Sea is cleare as Christall, and hath the ioyned operation of the holy spirit: but, the Sea is mingled with the fyre. To shew, in the last dispen­sation, for overthrow of Antichrist, a puritie of the word [Page 54] and worship, & the vertue of the spirit ioyned therewith, as at first: but yet so, as no dispensation of the spirit should be, but by and with the word, as mingled therewith: all outward, and visible extraordinarie donation of the spi­rit, and miraculous operations, now, ceassing. And vere­lie, an other manner was requisite for bringing in first the Gentiles to the faith, and so, casting Satan from heaven, (even that the Gospell should be miraculis inchoata) then for overturning his fraudfully reerected throne in the church vnder pretence of the Lambe his hornes: and to much dif­ferent dealing for burying the Synagogue with honour, then for thrusting Antichrist to the doore with shame. At first, the Lord had to procure credit to his Gospell as to his owne sacred will & word: next, again, he had by this Go­spell, so now obtaining, as the partie to be detected and o­verthrowen thereby dare not openly denie the authoritie thereof, but to convince the traitour covered vnder false pretences.

25. To disproove this power of plaine and prevayling truth, and, to discredit the argument of our miraculous successe thereby: our adversaries yet ryse against vs with two obiections. The first is, that, if successe and wyde obtayning were a note of truth, then also, or more iustlie, might Arrianisme and Mahometisme acclaime the title thereof, as wee. But, these instances are sophisticallie, brought against the truth and vs. For, albeit wee confesse heresie to bee verie contagious, and the word thereof to be fretting as a gangrene: through the conveniencie it hath with the vaine humour of man, who is, naturallie a lyer: yet when soever it is put to iust tryall by the truth, then can it retaine no strength. It is indeed, true, that truth alwayes prevayleth not. (for then, the mysterie of iniquitie had never attayned to such height,) but, this falleth not through the weaknes of truth, but partlie, through the vanity of men, who falling away frō the love and due regard of truth, are, in God his iustice, given vp to the efficacie of errour: Partlie, through their vniust furie, [Page 55] reiecting and persecuting the truth vntryed. wherein, yet the great odds betwixt veritie and lyes, is wonderfull: in that, even in the highest degree of prevailing error (while Satan hath a throne in the verie temple of God) yet, Revel. 2. even then, as, in Pergamus, the truth still dwelleth, and a num­ber keep the name of God, even where Satan his throne is, and against the terrour of bloodshed. Whereas, on the other part, truth being but admitted to plead for it selfe, albeit the holders have little strength (as, Revel. 3. in Philadelphia) yet, the adversaries are forced to come and worship at their feet. But, this we maintaine and hold, that when ever it pleaseth the Lord to send out his light and truth for leading men to his holy mountaine: Revel. 11. and, that herefie, howe stronglie soever grounded, is reduced to due exa­mination thereby: that, then, albeit it hath vsurped even the holy citie & court of the tempel, yet, by the true mea­suring reed, it will be clearlie found to be cast out. Their argument is a deceitfull falacie by confounding of divers cases and causes: of the truth admitted to plead, and of the same, againe, after in God his iustice hid, or, by mens cruel­tie and vniust violence, debarred from all defence. And, this is evident, in both the alleadged instances. For, Aria­nisme, albeit having, for it, great (but vnsanctified) both learning and eloquence, yet was ever ashamed before the truth: till by the crueltie and violence of Easterne Em­perours, in Asia, and by the Barbarous feretie of Vandall and Gothik Kings in Africk and Europe, it was inforced. and yet, neither, so, could it ever either beare downe the truth, or continue long vngone in smoke before it. As for Mahometisme, nothing bred it, but preceeding degrees of Antichristian darknes & decay of light in the Church: and, with Antichrist his arysing to a heigh, it, still, increa­sed as, which was both an effect thereof, and, in God his wrath, Revel. 9. a punishment of Antichristian Idolatrie. Neither doeth ought yet still maintaine it, but ignorance of the Gospell: Revel. 1 [...]. the revived light whereof, hath not, as yet, come to them. For, thereby, first, the waters of Babylon (at which [Page 56] both they and the Iewes doe still stumble) must be dryed vp: that, so, the way may bee prepared for the East to re­ceave the Gospell: as, increase of Antichristian Idolatrie (the swelling of Euphrates) first alienated the one from it, and, still, holdeth the other in induration. Moreover, this instance of Mahomet, and the comparison thereof with our powerful prevailing light of truth, is ridiculous. For that Mahometisme never was advanced one foot of earth, but so farre as by sword and fyre it was set forward. Wher­as the Gospell, having sword and fyre, and when sworde and fyre, even in the hands of pitilesse persecuters, yet by the patience of Saints, have fainted, having nowe, at last, privie poisonings, bloodie complots, and all the treaso­nable and tragicall machinations, which the Emissarie frogges of hell can hatch against it: yet, it prevaileth: and, still, shall, in despit of all opposition: till, Antichrist being vndone, these errors of Iudaisme and Mahometisme shall also vanishe at the cleare light thereof, when they shall even see him who pearsed him, and shall mourne apart for him: which great events, no doubt, are approching neere: in such strange and busie endeavour [...] [...]he frogges of Satans mouth, to assemble their forces to Armageddon that their iust destruction, Revel. 19. may, much against their inten­tion, minister matter even of an Ebrew song: in a sweete and high tuned Halleluiah.

26. Their other obiection, is, the manifold Sectes which have sprung vp with the revived light of the Gos­pell: each contrarie to other, and, all stoutlie acclayming the prerogative of truth. And, O, howe our adversaries doe heere applaud themselves, of their vnitie, and, how skoffinglie they exagitat this (as they call it) our distra­ction and multitude of opinions, so, as, one of them, in a faire, but faintlie fought, challenge, sent to the Ministers of Scotland: at the end of his weake wrestling, minding to finishe it with a deadlie blowe, concludeth his dis­course in a good tale faire tale, forsooth, of this our di­versitie: which, for the greater force, hee fetcheth from [Page 57] a tippling Taverne in Germanie, seeking, belike, in Vino veritatem. But, doe not these men erre; because they know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God? yea, though they themselves bee Ministers of Satan his deceit, and men of his right hande, yet, are they not skilled to dis­cerne his slight and malicious maner of working: Might not this, wherewith they reproach our Churches, have bene laid alse, yea and more iustlie, against the first out­going light of the Gospell, and primitive Church raised thereby? yea, was not this, then, the common accusati­on thereof, in the mouthes of all ignorant and earthlie men? for that, even with the beginning and prevailing light of the Gospell, Euseb. lib. 3. Ecclesiast. hist. ca. 20. & libro 4. cap. 7. Sathan stirred vp such an infinite number of detestable heresies, and prodigious opinions, abhominable even to any naturall man of stayed witts, and all, vnder the name of Christianitie: that, there­vpon, without more sifting or tryall, the worlde was stirred, madlie, to reiect and condemne the whole pro­fession: and, with sword and fyre, to persecute it as a horrible Pest. Luk. 11.21. When Satan brooketh all at ease, then is hee at rest: but, if a stronger then hee come in to spoile his house, Revel. 12. then hee imployed might and slight. When, by the valour of Michael and his Angels, Sathan is thrust out from brooking a place in Heaven, then, commeth hee downe on earth, Luk. 10.18. with great rage: then, VVoe to the inhabitants of Sea and earth. For, being, by the power of the Gospell, cast out of Heaven, and falling downe, thence, as lightning, then, seeing hee can not brooke a roome in God his house, hee, furiouslie, mistrammeth his own. When hee can not keepe downe the light of the Gospell, nor, by all his guyle and malice, obtaine, but, that pre­cious pearle must come foorth: his next endeavour, is, to cast in, therewith, such a multitude of counterfaits, as may make the vpright pearle either hardlie to bee discer­ned, or then, with the rest, to be esteemed all alike false. so, to divert mens heartes from it. This their obie­ction, then, maketh so little against the Gospell, as, [Page 58] it sheweth evidently, by this angrie busines of Satan, that he is, indeed highlie chafed. and therefore the wyse hear­ted ought the more diligentlie to search after that preci­ous pearle, the manifestation whereof so breeveth him, & for that true and vpright money, which hee laboureth a­mong the mids of his counterf [...]its and false coine to con­ceale, [...]r then to discredit. When Satan by the beast of his throne and authoritie, brooked all: then, was that [...]ase and vnitie whereof our adversaries glorie. Revel. 17.17. For, God had put in the heartes of the Kings of the earth, with one consent to give their Kingdomes to the beast, till the wordes of God were fulfilled. Sahtan never invyeth vnitie in errour, nor zeale in a false religion. If vnitie, simply, without respect of that, wherein parties are vnited, were a note of the church, then might hell vindicate to it selfe that title. Math. 12.2 [...]. For, the Deuills have an vnitie, and Satan his kingdome is not divided against it selfe. Brigands, conspiring to shed blood, and having one purse, Proverb. 1.10. & [...]. are vnited. It is then vnitie in truth, and not a conspiracie in errour or brotherhood in evill, which men may glorie of. As, at the first publishing of the Gospell, Sa­than was put besides his possession, and, thereupon, stirred vp swarmes of herefies: so, having, once again by the beast of his power, gotte his throne erected even in the Temple of God, & brooking al peaceably therein: when, again, the litle, Revel. 10. long closed but at length opened & sweetly swallow­ed, booke, gave hability, by the right [...] to examin him & cast him out: Revel. 11. then, he returned madly to his former policie. Thus the sorcerers of Egipt, to discredit the works of Moses & [...], [...]xod. 7 did work the like: and, thus, ever, the invious one, with the good seed, soweth in his [...]ares. But all this maketh so litle against the truth, Math. 13.24 that (by the cōtrarie) the vertue & power thereof a [...] so much the more clearly manifested: In that these, who are the Sinagogue of Sathan ( calling them­selves [...] and [...]re not) ar evē forced to come & worshipe be­fore the feet of P [...]il [...]ia: Revel. 3.9. and are compelled to know that God loveth her, in that shee only is stablished, and made a piller in the house of GOD, which shall goe out no more: [Page 59] and, shal, at length, beare away the name of the true Church written on her evidently with her Lord his finger, even of the true and new Ierusalem from heaven, in despyte of all this slight of Sathan. Wheras all counterfaits, calling themselves Iewes and are not, shall, either come and worshippe at her feete, or be cast out of God his house, & lose the name which they doe falslie vsurp. In one word, though al the Inchanters of Egypt (strengthened with all both the craft and power of darknes) should make, Ex. 7.1 [...]. apishlie, to imitat Mos [...]s, yet Aaron, his Rod shall, alwayes, devour the Rods of all inchanters. Even truth, shall, both discover and cōsume errour in the end. And this vertue, in the truth now preached, all, who with single eyes, looke on things, may evidently perceave: and so much the more, as, in litle outward strength, walking in meeknes and patience, and oppugned with all wordlie power, and great pryde and bitternes, yet, in despyte of all opposition, [...]t prevaileth. Glorified be the Lord our strength.

27. All, whatsoever our adversaries lay against vs, & wher­by they syle the eyes and beguyle the mindes of the simple, being lookt on with iudgement, is founde but meere Sophi­strie and cavillation; so as they have to bring more solide stuffe, if they would spoile our Pastours of all lawful calling, and vs of any true church.

28. We plead ordinarie vocation for our Church, in com­mon, and, this, because so it is, and not, for that of absolut ne­cessitie it behooved to be so. Neither speak I thus, as partial­lie caried to maintaine the credit of some particular men, whose defect, herein, (if it were any) could never preiudge our Churches. For mine owne part, as, in all sobernes and cleannes of heart, by the gift of GOD, I have beene carefull to know the truth, so, was I never much curious to inquire of the particular state of our first mens callings. Which, whether it were ordinarie or extraordinarie, and, that, whollie or partlie, in some men or in all, as it matereth litle o [...]othing (in so great & extraordinarie a worke wrought by their mi­nisterie, as is the discovery and conviction of Antichrist, sit­ting masked in the Temple) so is the disputation thereabout, [Page 60] but idle and childish. For, if ever any such evill and confu­sion did befall the church, as that, for reformation therof, any extraordinary dealing was requisit. The vsurpation of Anti­christ, most of all other: as I doubt not but God, accordingly, shewed, in some, either persons workers, or works of persons or both. I approve our men who sustain our ordinarie voca­tion, in common, but, who plead so for it as a point absolutly requisit for approoving our cause, and in such a case of the church, doe place al defence therein: in my iudgement, they doe, wronglie limit the holy one of Israel, against both the priviledge of his power, and his vsuall manner of dealing in such cases. And, who defend our first mens callings to have bene partlie ordinarie, partlie extraordinarie (whither that some extraordinary persons were raised by GOD, or, that, ordinary persons were, by him, stirred to extraordinarie mo­tions and actions (I think, for me, they have fallen vpon the right defence: and which is both most agreeable to GOD his honour and manner of working, and also most strong and honorable for our church and cause.

29. And, these, now, forsooth, are the invincible ar­guments, in confidence whereof, they are bold to offer, that, if wee can bee able to maintain the lawfulnes of our cal­lings, and, that, so wee have any true Church: they will, without any more doubt or disput, about other points in controversie, joyne in communion with vs. But, certainlie, if truth bee with vs, and they, consequentlie, bee heretiks, they jangle with vs, impertinentlie of outward calling: the ha­ving whereof, as it will never justifie errour, so, neither will the defect thereof bee ever a relevant exception against truth, Math. 7.18. Mark. 9.4 [...]. Luk. 9.5 [...]. clearlie, convincing it. For an evill tree cannot bring foorth good fruit, nor a good tree bring foorth evill fruit. And, whosoever is not against vs, is on our part. And, if our doctrine may be prooved false, why make they such adoe about, calling, or why, thus flee they the tryall of the cause, and goe not the neerest and plainest way, to justifie themselves; and to be­reave vs of all defence? An evill conscience maketh men to seeke subterfuges. And, as they bewray it, evidentlie, in [Page 61] this their quarrelling of our vocation: so, when, in course, they are put to their defences, they manifest themselves yet more.

30. When, by cleare scripture, we proove their Pope to bee Antichrist: to free him of that blot, albeit they be other­wayes extreemelie impudent and malicious, in forging false criminations, and calumnious slaunders, yet, with all the ingyne of hell finding none other, vpon whom to lay over the staine of that odious title: they are faine to refuse that hee is yet come: and, that, when hee commeth, hee shall openlie overthrow all true worshippe, and obtaine rule over the whole earth. Rhemists [...] their anno­tations vpon the 17. of the Revel. Yea, some of them are so straited by evident truth, that, with pale faces and trembling lippes, they are forced to confesse, that probablie, hee may expell the Pope from Rome, and Domine there. And, shall, so strangelie destroy all truth and true Professoures, as, for­sooth, Enoch and Elias must returne (I know not whence) to fight with him, and to bee killed of him. Now, in this case, I pray you, where shalbe all the long boasted of pre­rogative of Rome, and of Peter his chaire; whereto, against vs they infalliblie doe chain all truth? Where shalbe these goodlie and true promises; which they wronglie wrest, and falslie vsurpe against vs? Where shall, then bee the notes of vniversalitie (in their sense) multitude, visibilitie, per­sonall succession, and externall maiestie and Pompe? If these, bee the certaine and infallible notes of the true Church; how faile they at any tyme? Or, if, as they them­selves confesse, in Antichrist his vsurpation, the case shalbe such: why see they not that, vainlie, and absurdlie (for eximing their Pope to bee that Antichrist) they obiect to vs, as impossibilities, and horrible blasphemies; these same, yea much smaller things, then they themselves grant, that, in Antichrist his vsurpation the Church must suffer? If, when Antichrist commeth, multitude, visibilitie, and vniversalitie shall bee with him, if all personall succession of Pastours shall so farre faile, as, that, for pleading the truth, Enoch and Elias must come from another world against him: [Page 62] if, the church then shall, not only in truth and true professors, but even in all publict ensigne of profession, bee invisible: if he shal (possiblie) sit in Rome and peaceablie brook all: why (in the disput about Antichrist) are multitude, vniversalitie, personall succession, and visibilitie, still laid against vs? Why is ruinous Rome as an infallible rock opposed, for al defence, vnto vs? and why see they not, that by their owne confession, they must otherwayes vindicat their Pope from that blot; & that wee have, but, to cleere, whither the Pope bee hee who was to come, or, if we must looke for another? If they would pretēd the short space of the churches defect vnder Antichrist (according to their dreame of three yeeres and an half (yet, how doth the truth of God his promise consist (as for their owne defence they interprete) if it faile but one day? or, if he may and shal, in a totallie prevayling evill, whereby, not onely truth, but also al pretence and profession of Christiani­tie is overthrowen, yet, preserve both his Church and pro­mise to her, three yeares and an halfe, why might he not alse well, and vnder the vaile of permitted profession, much bet­ter, for many ages? and if vnder their imaginarie Antichrist, directlie impugning Christianitie, and advowedly exalting him selfe against GOD and Christ, whose name he shall not so much as pretend, yet, both truth and a true Church shall lurke three yeares and an halfe: how much more (vnder him, who, of a degenerating succession of ordinarie Pastours, pre­tending Christ his name and power, &, who did not become extreamlie evill at once, but by degrees, mounted to the height of impietie, masked in a Mysterie) might the true Church, vnder the common ensigne of profession, have lyen long hidden? For where deluding simple minds, they affirme, that Antichrist must be one singular person, (because in scripture he is named [...] (that Antichrist the ad­versarie, and the man of sinne) they proove exceeding either childish, or shameles cavillators. Might not the 4. Kingdoms of Babel, Persia, Macedonia, and of the Seleucides, prophecied of Daniel, Chap. 7. have, by this reason, excepted, that the foure beastes there foretolde, could not bee meaned of them, in so [Page 63] farre as in each of their Kingdomes was a succession of mo [...] persons then one, and these foure beastes are of the Prophe [...] interpreted, to bee but foure kings? Who would hereby refell any affirming that there is but one great Turk, because that from Ottoman many divers persons have succeeded in that Empire, should he not prove but a ridiculous sophist, reaso­ning from one in seat, state, succession, and subrogatiō, to one in person? the seat hath but one person at once, who by rea­son of succession dyeth not. It is the Pontificality which we challenge, & not personallie, Pius, Leo, Paulus, or Clemens. And, to how hard shiftes our adversaries are driven in this point, it is easie to perceave: when, to pul mens minds from espying their Pope, they propone to bee exspected such an Antichrist, as, comming, could not, possiblie, in all his three yeares and a halfe, find three phrenetick fooles to be his followers. As if, foresooth, one, directlie damning all Christianitie, openlie blaspheming the name of God and Christ, and impudentlie and advowedlie, challenging to him selfe all diuine honour (in such daylie growing light of the Gospell, and settled knowledge of God) could possiblie in three yeares & a halfe roote out all religion, and subdue all nations of the earth. in which space, a verie deliver single man in fulnes of bodilie strength and continuing vigour, yet were scarce able, with all possible speed, vpon a wager, to survey them. And, that they should not appeare vnresolved, forsooth, in such important matter (without so much as any mine of Scripture warrant) they will have him a singular persone of the tribe of Dan: Revel. 20. who (albeit it was the honour of faintes a thousand yeeres, that they receaved not the beast his marke) yet, shall, in three yeres and a halfe, 2. Thes. 27. Revel. 13.11. & 17.5. immediatlie before the day of iud­gement, begin, accomplishe, and end, in open and avowed impiety, that mischief: which, (that in the own time it might come foorth, cūninglie & covertlie masked vp in a mysterie) Satan, in all deep deceipt, was working since the Apostolike times. and, thus, whereas God hath reserved to him self alone the knowledge of that last day, which shall come as a thiefe in the night, vpon a sleeping and secure world: these men, [Page 64] set vpon it so faire & conspectible a mark, as, either no Chri­stians at all, shall, at that time, be in the world, or then, they may alse well know, and calcule that day, as we doe, now, Christmas. namely, having so iumpe a space of yeares and dayes, and so notable coincident cases, as the returning of. Enoch and Elias, their slaughter, and miraculous resuscitation. But, it is not my purpose, here, to handle this point of mat­ter, either for prooving their Pope to be Antichrist: or to re­fute these their foolishe dreames. for more full resolution whereof, and, of ought else, that from that booke may ap­peare here, of me to be too shortlie touched, I referre the rea­der to my commentarie on the revelation.

31. The waxing light of the Gospell, dayly more & more discovering the man of sin, maketh our adversaries to paint out Tragelaphos & Chimeraes. wherby they may stupifie & de­taine foolish hearts in expectation of such an Antichrist, as shall come, I warrant you, ad grecas Calendas: some thousand yeares after the Iewes have gotten their, long, but, vainlie lookt for, Messias, But, as these shall never get another Christ then whom they pearced, so, neither shall the others, any Antichrist, but whom they follow. The Iewes, in God his mercie, shall, yet see their true Messias, and mourne for him: Our characterized adversaries shall follow, still, blindlings, their Abaddon, to the lake of fire and brimstone, & waile, then, with him. And, they are so anxiously carefull of their credit herein, that, for holding, still, simple mindes in a maze, least, longing, perhaps, they should looke more nearly, and so, with setled senses, espy the Dragon his mouth vnder semblance of the Lamb his hornes: some surmise, for intertaining exspe­ctation, (of one, never to come) must be brought, nowe and then, from the East: of som dumb Devil borne at Babylon, and begotten, forsooth, betwix some feind or farie, and a devised Daniel, who hath I warrant you, two thousand years agoe, lost all the writings of his genealogie. It is not so strange, that these men, whose filthines & shame, the glorious light of the Gospel hath so farre detected, that, now they see no remedie, but, desperatly to passe all bounds of shame, should therfore, [Page 65] so impudentlie delude the Worlde, with such foolishe fan­tasies. but, it is both wonder and pitie, in so cleare light of truth, that, still, so many should be abused with them. a iust punishment of the careles misregarde of that light which is come in the worlde; but the worlde loveth darknes more then light. And howsoever some of the Auncients, whose tymes & perception were farre remooved from the know­ledge of these mysteries, in a slender and careles considera­tion of them, did fall vpon some points of these fonde specu­lations: yet, nowe, when not only knowledge is, with course of time, increased, but also the eventes have made things cleare: it is not only a maigre defence, but, bewray­ing, also, evidentlie, perversenes of mindes, and guiltines of conscience, to runne to such doting dreames, and ridicu­lous raveries, as, albeit they were not refelled by cleare Scripture, yet, were fitter to bee an addition to Rables, or to make vp the last booke of Amades de Gaule, then to bee re­puted profound pointes of Christian wisedome.

32. Thus have I shortlie answered the maine obiecti­ons of our adversaries, which, as, an vnresistable ordinance, they proudlie plant against our callinges and Church: and, finding nowe, their batterie directed, speciallie, against that quarter, wherein our Lord and Captaine hath assigned mee a station in his service (for that, by reason of our weak fortification, and their great inwarde intelligence, they conceave great hope of an easie surpryse on that part:) I have, as becommeth, albeit a weake, yet a faithfull soul­dier, hasted to the breach, with such armes as came to hand. That, if, perhappes, the courage of our weake once hath beene, in any degree, dismayed, with the terrour of this recent alarme, yet, finding the ennemie effronted, their heartes may bee, thereupon, so farre stayed, as to stande and perceave, that all this supercilious shewe of a fierce assault, is but a vaine, and weakly backed bravado. which, to offer vs with a newe and high morgue, our adversa­ries have newlie bene animated, by their late supplement of fresh [...] forces from beyond sea. who, & their cuilliers, what [Page 66] disposition they are of, is evident by this, that they are puffed vp, and made more insolent, with that, which, iustlie, hath dumped in a deep sorrow, all true hearts of both the Ilands. and the daylie surmises, from them, of yet, moe doolfull e­vents, with the cursed hope whereof, they can not dissem­ble but they are tickled: (albeit, all praise to God, yet found false, & we hope in the Lord, shall stil prove) yet, they clear­lie shewe, either what plottes they are on: or, with what plotters they have intelligence: or, what practises, pernici­ously performed, would chiefly chear their poisonable minds.

And, now, howsoever I be in a weake guerison, not the strongest of all, yet so stronge is the truth, and that Lord, in whose strength, and whose cause I plead: as I hope that, even heereby the deceit and imbecillitie of these their obiections are so clearelie discovered, that the judicious and free hear­ted Reader, shall remayne satisfied: and, even our simple once hearts strengthened against our adversaries high boa­sting. To men of corrupt minds nothing is enough. Neither is our labour for any either ecclesiasticke or (as they terme them) lay persons, of that Antichristian body, which have receaved the beast his character, and are not reclaimable: who, deceaving, and being deceaved, waxe worse & worse: and, compassing sea and earth, and with lying and murthe­ring (to vphold their tottring kingdome) madlie mixing all, doe evidentlie bewray, what spirit they are of. but, they shall prevaile no longer, for their madnes shall be manifest vnto all men. As for such, whether ecclesiastike or lay persons, among them, who are, in simplicitie of heart, and blind zeale miscaried, having but the name or number, but not the character of the beast: we both pittie them and pray for them, that the Lord would open their eyes and put in their hearts to come out of Ba­bylon, least they be partakers of her iudgements. for, her plagues shall come in one day. even the Lord will cut of all lying lippes and the toung that speaketh proud things.

TO A RECVSANT, FOR CLEARING AND MAINTAINING SOME POINTS IN THE PRECEEDING TREATISE, challenged by a Roman Elymas, Bar-Iesus-it.

RECOVERING, some dayes since, a copy of my Treatise in defence of our cal­lings, which had fallen in your handes some moneths agoe: I perceaved that it had passed the examination and cen­sure of some one of your ghostlie Fa­thers: (if I misdeeme not) even the same, whose pamphlet against our callings stirred me to the defence of them, yet so, as, amids divers dumbe draughts of a silent Aristarchus, there is but one onely open challenge through all. Which (while he is perhaps, a breeding of a bigger birth) his weak heart could not keep, til, with the rest, it should be timely borne: thinking, belike he had, theirin, so cleare an advan­tage over me, as, vpon that place, he might be bold to put out some speach: thus to intertaine his applauders in hope that hee had also much to say against the rest. But, if this his glorying Goliath, so confidently stepping out single shal be easilie foiled, it may well be presumed, that, with noe great a doe, the rest of his dumbe Host may be made both to flee and fall.

Over a place; in my Treatise, he setteth this signe, ✚. and therewithal, this saying, agree this and the other places that is marked with this signe. My wordes, first signed by him, are [Page 2] these. And the Lord his wyse providence for preserving thus his church in the mids of Antichristian vsurpation (while hee appeared to possesse all) was wonderfull: in that, even in time of greatest corruption, yet asure accesse and free way was still reserved through Citie and Court, to the Temple, the Sacrament of Baptisme, in substance, remaining; and the doctrine of the Trinitie being keeped sound. Sect. 7. The pla­ces, thereafter, signed with the same signe, and, in the chal­lenger his conceat, contradicting this, are two: and these both, Sect. 10. the first in these wordes. Yea wee are so farre from this disorder, & do so farre both reverence and maintain ordina­rie vocation, that in a constitute Church holding the foundation (albeit, otherwayes, divers things therein, not only for maners but also for ma­ner of worshippe, did require reformation) if any man of howe great gifts soever, yet, without ordinarie calling should intrude himselfe to be a Pastour: we would no otherwayes account of him then of a seditious and turbulent Spirit, who, either, fanatikly, presuming of graces, would vainlie despyse order: or, for some infirmities and defects, would ar­rogantly and vncharitably breake the vnitie of the Church.

Now, that I may the more clearly recōcile any apparant repugnācy betwixt these places, I wil, first, set down, (as I can take it) the challenger his conceaved cōtradictiō, thus,

VVho in a constitute Church holding the foundatiō, &c. would intrude himselfe, without ordinary calling, to be a Pastour, is to be accounted a seditious & turbulent despyser of ordre, and an arrogant and vncharitable renter of Church vnitie.

But the Christian Church, since her first constitution, al­wayes, even in time of greatest corruption, hath holden the foundation.

Therfore, who at any time, without ordinary vocation intru­ded himselfe to be a Pastour therein, he was but a sedicious and turbulent despyser of order, and an arrogant and vn­charitable renter of Church vnitie.

I wil not, here, dallie vpon these words ( intrude himselfe) which in no case can ever be lawfull, and may never bee iustly said of any who is truely, albeit, extraordinarlie, sent out by God. I come to the argument. The proposition of the sillogisme is mine owne, & I can not disadvow it. The [Page 3] assumption (that we iangle not about the state of our que­stion) must be cleared from equivocation. for, no question, but the true Church elected according to the purpose of grace, hath alwayes, and ever shall holde the foundation, without which shee could be no true Church at all. But, from the true Church and elect, to the visible Church, the argument concludeth not. Next againe, albeit, in a right sense, it be true of the visible Church, that she ever holdeth the foundation: because within the compasse of the visible Church the true militant Church abydeth alwayes, as vnder the common ensigne: yet, hereupon, to conclude, that, alwayes, visibly, & the visible Church, tota communiter (whole in common) doth hold the foundation, it is a seene fallacie. for, she may fall from the foundation tota communi­ter (the whole in common) but, never vniversaliter singuli in ea (vniversally each one within her.) And howesoever mine adversarie will not yeeld me this point, yet hee can not but condescend, that this is, here, the state of our que­stion: whither I have, in my first signed wordes graunted so much, as will cōclude cleerly against my selfe that even the visible Church, & whole in common, ever holdeth the foundation. which is the assumption of this syllogisme: & which he thinketh to prove out of mine own words, thus:

VVhere the Sacrament of Baptisme in substance, remaineth, and doctrine of the Trinitie is keeped, sound, that Church holdeth the foundation.

But, in the Church, alwayes, even in time of greatest corruption, the Sacrament of Baptisme, in substance, re­mained, & the doctrine of the Trinitie was keeped sound.

Therfore, the Church alwayes, even in time of greatest cor­ruption, held the foundation. and, consequently, no place was at any time in her, since her first constitution, to extra­ordinarie calling. VVhich is contrarie to my position.

The proposition hath an equivocation: which to disco­ver, and, so, to avoid the deceit intended thereby, I distin­guishe thus. If by the Sacrament of Baptisme, in substance, bee vnderstoode all the substantiall matter by Baptisme [Page 4] represented to our knowledge, sealed vp through faith in our conscience, and, all the grace thereby, through the co­operation of the holy Ghost, conferred to vs: and, if by the doctrine of the Trinitie, be vnderstood whatsoever we are taught and doe beleeve of that triple one, either in himself or his dispensation towards vs, and our duetie againe to him: in that sense, I yeeld the proposition to be true. But, if by the Sacrament of Baptisme, in substance, remaining, be vnderstood only the sacramental action in the substan­tiall rites thereof, so making it still to bee counted lawfull baptisme in substance, albeit otherwayes, miserablie in­fected with many superfluous and superstitious ceremo­nies: and, if by the doctrine of the Trinitie, no more be vn­derstood but that only one point of God one in substance and three in persons: without which, and the solemne in­vocation thereof in baptisme, even the substance of that Sacrament were abolished: then the proposition is clear­lie false. And the proponer would but illude in the words Substance and Doctrine. except hee will affirme, that, for the foundation of our faith, no more were requisite but these only two points. And thus, (outtaking Samosatenus, Sabel­lius, Arrius, and Manes, and such others as, either before or after them, vnder whatsoever divers names, symbolized with their particular errours) all heretikes of whatsoever sect or tyme shalbe reputed to have holden the foundati­on. So shall Nestorius, Eutiches, and Appollinaris bee absolved from fundamentall errours: so shall the denyers of the re­surrection: so shall the followers of spirits of errours, and teaching doctrines of devills: so shall the Nicolaitans teach­ing and committing fornication and idolatrie, have kept the foundation. Shall not the incarnation of the aeternall Sonne; the personall vnion of the assumer and assumed; the naturall veritie of both natures in that one person; bee counted foundamentall? Shall not the onely mediation and merit of that Person; his Propheticall, Priestlie, and Royal offices, and actions thereof; the perfection, efficacy, and vertue of all, be counted foundamentall? Or shall the [Page 5] bare holding of GOD one in substance and three in per­sons bee any foundation at al to such as in the other points doe overthrow it? It is strange that one acknowledging that the baptized by heretiks are not to bee rebaptized, &, consequently, acknowledging the baptisme ministred by them, to be baptisme in substance: which yet it could not be without the invocation of the Trinitie: should yet, vpō baptisme remayning in substance, and that one point of the trinitie of persons thinke the foundation to be kee­ped, when not onely open perverters and direct oppug­ners of foundamentall points, but also adders of anie other to that only one foundation (by the Apostle his sen­tence) doe even fall from the foundation which, other­wayes, they would appeare both to professe and keepe. The Sacrament of Baptisme and sounde doctrine of the Trinitie still kept in the visible Church, and even in tota communiter, was ever a sure and free entrie, and, as Augustin speaketh, opportunum inquirendi exordium (a common and convenient beginning to inquire by: but yet so, as who, thereby entring, held the straight course to the Temple, where were the Candlestickes and the Olives, and to mount Sion, where was the Lambe: These, indeed, held the foundation, and the gates of hell never prevayled a­gainst them. But, who entring by that common entrie, declyned from the right way leading to the Temple and mount Sion: and, did fall aside vpon, and rest in the com­mon pollution of Citie and Court: following, wonde­ring after, and worshipping the Beast and the Dragon (e­ven that abhomination of desolation, standing also with­in the visible Church, in Sanctis Ecclesiae locis, as sayeth Chri­sostome,) these fell so from the foundation, as, even that which to the others was the entrie and faire way to the Temple and Mountaine, was to them of no more value, then if they had never entered at all. For that, in missing of the rest, they loosed even that also, which otherwayes they appeared to have, as, in the foundation of a large Ci­tie, who raiseth so the building as hee keepeth but one [Page 6] stone of all, must of necessity even fall from that also: and bee no otherwayes said to hold the foundation then Saul pleaded that hee had fulfilled the commandement of the Lord, which, notwithstanding, the Prophet affirmed hee had casten away, and, therefore was justly cast away of the Lord from being king of Israel. Thus, then the proposition of his argument being evidently false, his conclusion also faileth, and my two places doe well and clearly consist. And, considering how we doe charge the Church of Rome with intollerable prevarications, almost, in all fundamen­tall points (against that one GOD, in giving his glorie to creatures: against the verity of Christ his humane nature by their prodigious transubstantiation: against al his me­diation, offices, and actions thereof, by many fold and sa­crilegious derogation, vsurpation, mutilation, and over­throw of all the perfection, fruit, force, and effect thereof) so as the censurer cannot dissemble the cleare knowledge of my meaning in granting them the Sacrament of Bap­tisme in substance, and sound doctrine of the Trinitie; in this consideration (I say) how can his challenge of con­tradiction, in my wordes, bee excused of either childish triffling, or shameles cavillation; or both?

Now, albeit what I have already said, aboundantlie serveth for reconciliation of the other place signed also by my censurer, yet let vs see what is the contradiction hee would inferre thereupon. My wordes, and continuallie, following the former, are these: But if corruption hath so farre prevailed that the faithfull City hath become an harlot, and all her silver be turned in drosse: if her husbandmen have become murtherers and her builders have become destroyers: if from the Prophet even to the Priest everie one followeth after lyes: if there be a conspiracie of her Prophets in the mids of her like a roaring Lyon ravening the pray: if her watchmen be all blind and know nothing: if they be all dumb doggs and can not barke: if they lye and sleepe, and love to sleepe: if her Pa­stours know nothing nor vnderstand, and looke whollie to their owne wayes: if night bee to them for a vision, and darknes for a divination: in such a case, &c.

[Page 7]Now, to commit my selfe, with my selfe, he would, ap­pearantly, reason thus:

Extraordinary vocation (by my owne position) hath only place in such a corrupt state and case of a Church, as that the faithfull City hath become a harlot, and all her sylver is turned in drosse: her husbādmen are become murtherers, etc.

But, the case of the Christian Church even in tyme of greatest corruption was never such.

Therefore, by myne owne position, no place, was in her, at any tyme for extraordinarie calling. And, so, I am contradictour to my selfe.

The Proposition is mine owne. The Assumption (of the visible Church) is false. And hee seeketh to succour it from my Position thus:

Of a Church keeping the Sacrament of Baptisme, in substance and sound doctrine of the Trinitie, no such case, as I have put, can be truely affirmed.

But, by mine owne position, the Church, even in tyme of greatest corruption, hath keeped the Sacrament of Bap­tisme in substance, and sound doctrine of the Trinitie.

Therefore, of the Church, at no tyme, such a case could bee truely affirmed. And consequently, no tyme ever for extra­ordinarie calling. VVhich, by mine owne Position, hath only place in such a case.

The aequivocation of the Proposition, I cleared in my answere to his first conceaved contradiction. Now, in the sense, ther, shewed to be mine, a church, holding only these points, albeit shee erre in, yea and overthrow most part of all other foundamentall grounds, and, consequently, even these same which she seemeth to hold, also: that, notwith­standing, the holding, barely, of these, may vindicat her from the blame of my proponed case, I even muse if my challenger will affirme it. And, that (taking hold, perhaps, on the peremptorie and precise strictnes of the wordes) he would, thus, reason: that where but even so much is holdē as I have yeelded, & even in the sense I have called myne, there, all cannot bee turned in drosse, neither can Pastours, [Page 8] there, be said to know nor vnderstand nothing, &c. and consequentlie, that no such case, as I have put, hath ever be fallen, I will hardlie be induced to beleeve, or that a man of any sense or shamefastnes will bewray himselfe to be so ridiculous a jangler. Wherein yet he should not con­tend with me, but with the Lord, whose the wordes are, and not mine: and who chargeth therewith a Church holding more of the foundation, then ever we will grant to the Church of Rome: who, in the abhominations she doth commit, hath iustified the Church of Iuda, of whom the Lord affirmed my proponed case: and, which, there­fore, more iustlie, a great deale, might have alledged a­gainst the precise strictnes of the Lord his accusatiō. They held the Sacrament of circumcision, the name of the God of Israell, the outwarde profession of his Covenant and worshippe; and the publike practise thereof in dayly sacri­fices & oblations. And, had they place, herefore, to plead, that all their silver was not turned in drosse? The Lord, in challenging our defections, whē the substantial groūds are most parte subverted, hee pleadeth a totall apostasie. His owne Bellarmine, telling howe, iudiciouslie, to reade and make right vse of the sayings of the Fathers, might have taught your man, that in Homilies to the people, where, in vehement contestations, speaches are, of pur­pose, framed, rhetorically, and hyperbolically to force of perswasion, for sturring motion, and for agreaging and amplification: they are, then, to be wyselie distinguished from a scholastike and more presse and proper maner in laying down foundamental points: and, that they are not to be alike or indifferentlie drawn for stablishing or proo­ving heads of faith, in the praecise strictnes and proprietie of wordes. for, one and the same man will have a much different maner of stile in homilizing and in dogmati­zing. Not that, therefore, the Fathers, and much lesse, the Lord (who though all men were lyers, yet abydeth true) did say [...] then truth. But that from a figurative, rheto­ricall, & hyperbolike truth, to conclude a truth, in praecise [Page 9] strictnes of proper signification, it is either foolishe igno­rance, or perverse tergiv [...]rsation. And, to shorten all dis­put, herein; I would aske your ghostly Father; so beeing that all, wherewith we do charge the Church of Rome, & wherupon they with vs and we with them have nowe, so many yeares contested, and doe contest stil, were verified against her; if, in that case, she could bee denyed to be the very Synagogue of Satan? and, that the case, proponed by me, might not be as iustlie said of her, as hee dare not deny but it was obiected to Iuda: except hee would belye the almightie? Nowe, whither wee charge her rightly or not; in our disput here, it were impertinent, and a slyding from the cause in hand, either for him to pleade the one, or me to proove the other: the question, here, betwixt vs, standing so, as I having laid this ground, that in a condi­tion of a corrupted Church, (and such as I proponed) ex­traordinarie vocation may have place. and, againe, plea­ding, that the condition of the Church, in common, at the beginning of our reformation, was such: whither, if, by yeelding her, still, and, even then, the Sacrament of Bap­tisme in substance, and sound Doctrine of the Trinitie, I have admitted ought which contradicteth mine own po­sitions. which to evince against [...], I thinke it must cost your Confessour some more paines, then, but in passing by only to point at it. This his proposition beeing false, hee concludeth nothing, and my places doe yet well consist.

In an other place, [...] on my margent this word ( REMARK) without any [...] sig [...]fication for what de­fect he would make me, th [...] [...]. thinking, be­like, the absurditie of my [...] exposed to the perception of any, as a gene [...] sufficient to make the Reader advert it. My w [...]es are these. Sect. 8. And, seeing that outward ordination, and all [...] action of the Mini­sters thereof, serveth but for outward order, all inward grace, power and vertue, comming from God the Author of the calling: what absur­ditie is it that a good pastour receave ordination of a VVolfe, who, yet, [...]th the place of an ordinarie Pastour in the Church; more then a tru [...] [Page 10] Christian to receave the Sacraments from a rēprobat, beeing, alwayes, an ordinary Minister? which Sacraments, yet, by the inward coopera­tion of God, are effectuall to the receaver for, it is sufficient for an out­ward ordinary calling that the Minister thereof have outward place & power of ordination, albeit he be but a Hyreling and a Thiefe. And, the receaver of outward ordinary vocation, as he hath all gift and grace from God only, whose the worke is, so is he not tyed or sworne to the will or appetit of the outward Minister, but only to the Lord: no more then any Minister, Baptizeth in his owne name, but in the Lord his, whose badge and cognissance only we take on, thereby, and not of the Minister thereof, &c. I will not thinke my remarker so remarkeably grosse, as that he thinketh the efficacie of the Sacraments to depend on the worthines or vnworthines of the Mini­ster thereof. for, in the contrary of this, I hope wee doe both agree. and, againe, that he, who holdeth ordination to be a Sacrament no lesse then any of the other, wil deny the same common case of it also, I have no reason to ima­gine: Neither yet, for my similitude, taken from the com­mon condition of Sacraments, that therefore, hee would think me to make ordination also a Sacrament (with him) in the most strict and proper signification. for, the simili­tude of things, in some cases, maketh not things, alwayes, to be the same. and, thus farre, I hope wee shall accord in the truth and convenience of my similitude: that, as the Minister of Sacraments (having still outward place and power) neither conferreth inward grace, for any worthi­nes in him, neither letteth the collation thereof through his vnworthines, so, neither doth the vnworthines of the ordainer (having [...] place and power of ordination) let the effectual [...] ordination in him who is ordained: e­verie good gift [...]escending from above from the Father of lights. For, there is but one Lord who hath led captivitie captive, & giveth gifts to men: my adversarie wil confesse this also, that frō what Bishop soever the Sacraments may be receaved (except Baptisme, which, in honour of Christ, forsooth, he relegateth not only to Woemen but even to Iewes and Turkes) from the same Bishop ordination, may [Page 11] be receaved also. but, as I can scanse at his meaning, hee thinketh my errour to be, in this remarkeable: that, to him, I appeare to make it all one thing or alike to receave the Sacraments or ordination from a Wolfe or Thiefe, as to rereave them from a hyreling or reprobate. which, if I did, absolutly, hold, and did accordingly, reason, from the one to the other: it were, indeed, a manifest halting in Logike, and therewith, no sounde point of Divinitie also. The course of my argumentation, in my treatise, is so at length and evidently led, and my cases so clearly put, as, I am sure, no vpright hearted Reader could ever have fallen vpon so sinistrous a conception. but, it is the maner of men, who read only to resist, to snatch at syllables, and wrest parcels of mens speaches so to maintaine iangling. And seeing that my remarker, albeit hee hath busied himselfe most, yea, and almost, only on the 6.7. and 8. sections of my Treatise (as his tokens left thereupon well shewe) yet even there hath vnderstood least, and, either hath not con­ceaved, or deceitfully dissembled my meaning: I will, therefore, heere, summarily resume the substance of my matter, and drift of my discourse there.

Vpon the prerogative of the Bishop of Rome, a long tyme reputed head of the Churche, and all ordinarie vocation flowing (in that respect,) either mediatlie or immediatly from him, our adversaries labour to inferre against vs, that either we have never had any lawful ordi­nation at all, or then have fallen from it. Because, that the Bishop of Rome was, then when our ordination flowed from him, either the Antichrist (as wee affirme) and, consequentlie, beeing a Wolfe and Thiefe, could have no power of ordination: or then a lawfull Pastour hol­ding truth: in which case, wee falling from his com­munion, have fallen from the truth, and all lawfull vo­cation also. against this (to shew howe, in that, which, in the pamphlet that came to my hands, was inscribed the invincible argument, there is no more vigour then in a roape of a rotten rushe) I laid down this contrary position. [Page 12] That our outward ordinarie callings did, in a sort, flow from the Bishop of Rome, without any discredit or dero­gation to the dignity or lawfulnes of them: notwithstan­ding that he is that verie Antichrist and man of sinne: and, so, not onely a Wolfe and Thiefe, but even of al other the most execrable. The summe of that argument, whereby to inferre this my Position, and which, at large, I did set downe in my treatise, and the mentioned sections thereof, is this.

From a VVolfe or Thiefe, who, descending in an ordinary succession from good and lawfull Pastours at first, and who degenereth not at once, but by long and slow degrees, and, that, not, as an open outward enemy directly oppugning the ensigne, but, still, pretending Christ his power and service, and, covertly, by pretence of the ensigne, deceaving: before he be detected and knowen to be a Traitour, VVolfe, & Thiefe, and, so, retaining still, with all, in common, the account and place of a lawfull Pastour: lawfull ordination may flow: and the ordained by him, taking ordination vprightly as from a lawful Pastour & reputed so still, in common, not knowing nor beeing partakers of his treason, may even, so, have lawfull outward vocation: and, falling from their ordainer, eftsoones detected to bee a VVolfe and Thiefe, yet stil retain the prerogative of their cal­lings.

But, such a Traitour, Wolfe, & Thiefe was the Bishop of Rome, what tyme our ordination, in a sort, did flow from him; before it was said to the revived witnesses, come vp hither, Revel. 11. & he proclaimed a Traitour 14.8. and al, thereupon, interdicted his worshippe, and character 14.9.

Therefore from the Bishop of Rome, our outward callings, in a sort, might flow: and, wee shrinking from him (now declai­red Traitour) yet still retaine the prerogative and priviledge of our callings.

In the tenour and drift of this argument (that divers points & cases be not ignorantly or deceitfully confoun­ded, either to the obscuring or perverting of my meaning) two things are, heedfully, to be eied, and the distinct con­siderations [Page 13] of them. First, my Positions: and, th [...]se distinct­lie, als well the speciall and definit position which I take to proove, as the generall and indefinit which I bring for a mids or argument to inferre the other. And, secondly, the restrict cases of both. The speciall definit position, which I take to proove, is the conclusion of my sillogisme. The generall and indefinit, whereby I conclude it, is the Pro­position thereof: the restrict case of my speciall and de­finit position is, that, I affirmed not our callings to have flowed from the Bishop of Rome, absolutly, but, in a sort. The restrict case of my generall and indefinit position, is, that I affirmed not lawfull ordination might be taken of a Wolfe or Thiefe, absolutly, but from such a Wolfe & Thiefe as in my Proposition is set downe at length, and in my treatise, more amply. Now, who either doth confound my positions, or draweth them frō my restrict cases to absolut assertions, he wrongeth me, therein, greatly. And to cleare this. In the restrict case of my speciall and definit position, that I affirmed our callings to have flowed frō the Bishop of Rome, in a sort, it hath two considerations to be wel ad­verted. First, that the Bishop of Rome was not the proper, particular, & personal minister of their ordination (at least in common) howsoever in a sort or mediatly, it did flow from him. Secondly, that even this in a sort or mediatly, must not be so vnderstood as if the particular, proper, and personall ordainers had done it but as the Bishop of Rome his de­puties or procurators: but, as having also themselves pro­perly place & power of ordination. Wherein, (by your ad­versaries doctrine) the Bishop of Rome might well have the first place and highest power: but, not the only place or onely power. For, giving him this that he were, not only, primae sedis Episcopus (in which degree the Fathers would faine have stayed his vsurpation, and yet by canons of counsels, could not) but, (which was, then, interdicted) that he were also primus Episcopus: yet was hee never sole Bishop. And, though hee got at length, (by prevailing iniquity) cheefe place & power of ordination, yet never only place. For, if [Page 14] hee onely were properly to bee held a Bishop, and, if or­dination were only proper to him, then could not he him selfe be any Bishop at all. For none can be a Bishop with­out lawfull ordination: and none can or may ordaine him selfe. Neither can any other ordaine him by any power flowing from his predecessour, quia mort [...] mandatore expirat mandatum. And, as Grogorie Bishop of Rome doth inferre, if he were sole Bishop, then, vniversa Ecclesia corruit vbi ille vni­versus cadit, (he falling, the vniversal church should faile al­so.) And, how hardly the said Grogory did esteeme of any such vsurpation, these words doe shew. Triste valde est patiēter ferre vt omnibus despectis, frater & coepiscopus noster solus nominetur Episcopus. (It is a heavy and hard matter to beare that our brother and fellow Bishop should be called onely Bishop) and he giveth the reason in another place. Quia si vnus Patri­archa vniversalis dicitur, Patriarcharum nomen caeteris derogatur, for if one be called vniversal Patriarch, the name of Patriarch is taken from the rest) so, then, is ordination of all Church­men flowing in a sort frō the Pope, to be vnderstood: not, that either hee was the personall minister of all, or that hee had sole power of ordination: but, because he was acknowled­ged first in that power: and, for that, in the outward order, policy, and forme of church governement, al did acknow­ledge their subiection to him. Now, for that ordination is graunted to flow from him in this sort, therefore, vpon the conviction of him to be a Wolfe & Thiefe; shal al ordina­tion in the church, particularly, properly, and personallie ministred by whatsoever other Bishops, be vnlawfull? Or, shal he (convinced to be a Thiefe and Traitour) necessarily involve al other pastours of the church in the same guilti­nes with him, because their ordinatiō hath, in a sort, flowed from him? This were indeed, to admit that, which even a Bishop of Rome counted an execrable absurdity, quod vni­versa Ecclesia corruit vbi ille vniversus cadit. your man might have learned from his owne Bellarmin (by force of truth driven thereto at last) that, though the Pope should become an he­retike, yet should not the church therefore fail, or fall from [Page 15] truth. We wil never yeeld him this, that at any time in the church, vniversally all and singularly each pastour, or or­dainers of pastours were Wolves and Thieves, albeit wee affirme that he from whom al ordinatiō, in a sort, did flow, was, long agoe, a Wolfe and Thiefe. Now, then, I having, in the special and definit position of our callings flowing from the Bishop of Rome, put this restrict case, that they flowed from him in a sort: hee should greatly wrong me & sophistically also reason, who would make this all one thing, as if I had granted them to have flowed from him particularly, as the proper & personal minister thereof: or, from the Wolvish & Thievish condition of him frō whom they but flowed in a sort, would conclude of all and everie particular, proper, and personal ordainers: or if hee should reason from ordinatiō, as it floweth in a sort, to ordination properly and personally proceeding. My remarker might indeed have made me remarkeably forgetfull of my selfe & truth both, if in my answere to their first obiection (sect. 5.) not admitting them therfore, any iust claime in the title of the true church, for that we, forsooth, could have no orditnary vocation but with & amongst thē (who, howsoever they were in the church & even bore sway and obtained in tota communiter, yet were but a part in the church, and no true part of it: in that, alwayes, within the church also were true both pastours and professours) if now (I say) I should againe confesse that all our pastours ordination had flowed properly and personally from the detestable head of all that mischiefe. Which were not onely a mani­fest lie but an absurde impossibilitie also. If any heere, would oppone, that this my distinction is vaine, and, that it freeth vs nothing more to have had our ordination but in a sort from the Bishop of Rome, and properlie and per­sonally from others, then if we graunted the having it of him even particularly, properly, & personally: because all others particular and personal ordainers whatsoever, were not onely in outward order of Church governement subiect to the Pope of Rome: but also agreed all in one and the same faith [Page 16] and doctrine with him, approving both his opinion and power: and, moreover, had all of them, or their ordainers or the ordainers of their ordainers, &c. their ordination even properly and personally of the Bishop of Rome. In which respects, neither could the personall ordainers bee free of any imputation laid by vs against the Bishop of Rome, neither yee ordination from them be any better to the ordained by them, then if it had properly and perso­nally proceeded from him, as the particular Minister ther­of I answer that in this allegation, is a manifold sophisti­cation. First, as I have already shewed, from common sub­iection in the obtaining state of Church policie, to con­clude Vnitie in opinion and all points of faith: and, from the overruling Pope, or Metropolitan his corruption and guiltines, to conclude the same of al, who by the course of the time, and prevailing lawes of Church governement are, ordinarilie subiect to him, it is, even in common ex­perience, ridiculous, and, albeit of all, in common, it might, perhaps, be said, yet never of vniversally each one: as, in my treatise, I have shewed at length, &, in my com­mentarie on the Revelation, more plainly. Secondly, he [...]ld thus conclude from toleration to approbation, most falsly. For many did tolerate the evils and vsurpati­on which they never approoved but even detested and lamented: as did the Church in Pergamus, dwelling even where Satan his throne was: and the Church of Thyatira, where Ie [...]abel vnder proud pretence of propheticall au­thoritie, impudently domined. Against which Churches, howsoever the Lord had some thing, for that their weak­nes: yet, were they, no the lesse his true Churches: and, as taxed for toleration of the obtaining & proudly borne out evill amongst them: so on the other part even praised for keeping the name of God, and for increase of workes, even there, where Satan his throne was, and Fornication and Idolatrie craftilie and proudly set forwarde: which, yet, and the (first) subtill, and (nixt) proud and cruell v­surpation of the committers, teachers, and imposers therof, [Page 17] they had not the either knowledge or courage to chal­lenge, directly, in the tyme. And, in these two Churches, the holy Ghost, in a depth of wisdome, and purposelie, set­teth downe the type of the cōdition of his true church first and last in the mids of Antichrist his vsurpation, & all the tyme within his compas. Thirdly, in alledging that al ha­ving place & power of ordinatiō, or then their ordainers, or, at least, the ordainers of their ordainers, &c. have recea­ved ordination even personally and particularly from the Bishop of Rome: besydes that, for many ages after Christ no such vsurpatiō was knowen or had place in the Church: & that even after the first proud acclayming thereof many churches stood long out & refused the yoak: in reasoning even from the stare of the prevailing tyrāny since the time it tooke place, there is a double fallacy. First, in not di­stinguishing betwixt any one particular Bishop of Rome, and the Bishop of Rome in succession of seat. And, next confounding the different and much divers consideration of distinct times, and of an evill, in time, waxing, and by degrees, arrysing from not so intollerable beginnings at first, to the height, at last, of al detestable mischief and im­portable impiety. If any should affirme the personall and proper ordination of all ordainers, or, of their ordainers, or at least, of the ordainers of their ordainers, &c. of any one particular Bishop of Rome, hee were senseles. If, of, the seat: then the answere is easie: that none shall ever be able to shew it so possibly personall, in that sort, throw all the visible Church: but, that, in a succession of many Bishops, and these (singularly) almost all, of short aboade; and litle painfull in the personal actions of their calling, &, in the progres (as I have said) of a waxing evil: we may easely and clearely evince not onely a probable but even a plaine possibility of preserving and reducing vpward lawfull ordination in the Church (at least in freedome from all personall contagion of that pestilent seat) to some more tolerable times & a lesse corrupted state of a church.

Thus have I cleared the speciall and definit position [Page 18] of our outward ordinarie callings flowing from the Bi­shop of Rome, and restrict case thereof. Which position, as it was the conclusion of my syllogisme, and al that I either affirmed or tooke to proove of them: so will I never grant the Bishop of Rome any furder interest in them. And, thus, the flowing of our vocation in a sort from him (even con­fessed to be and to have then bene the very Antichrist) de­rogateth so litle either to the dignity or lawfulnes of thē: as, though it were granted that not only not from him, but even from no Wolfe or Thiefe any proper or personall or­dination might be lawfully receaved, yet our ordination, and flowing, in a sort, from the Bishop of Rome (the Anti­christ) may bee well sustained to bee lawfull. Neither am I thus precise in the special case of our ordination, because I think my selfe so straited (in granting even personall and particularly ministred ordination by a Wolfe and Thiefe, in some case to bee lawfull) as that therefore I would nar­rowly seeke out this evasion: but, because it were foolishe prevarication to staine the honour of our vocation more then is necessarie, by yeelding any furder place therein to Antichrist his contagion, then the nature of the case and truth of story enforceth: for, as in the Church, alwayes, even in most miserable tymes, have beene some (albeit few) lawfull and true pastours, so, consequently, alwayes, some remnant also of lawfull ordination. And, I pray you, with or amongst whom could it possibly remaine; but these, who were, first, the Candelstikes and Olives (ministers of light and grace) while no possibilitie ap­peared of any: and, for applying the right rodde of exa­mination whereby Citie and Court were found to bee cast out, were next cruellie murthered: and yet Thirdly, in vigour standing vp against Antichrist, were at last separated so from his contagion, as thencefoorth Baby­lon falleth, and they beare away the name of heaven, the true church? Now then, howsoever, in the special case of our ordinarie vocations, and in facto, (as Iuristes speak) I will yeeld no more then my position thereof beareth: [Page 19] yet, in jure, I have not forgotten what my generall and indefinit position speaketh: neither mynde I so to slyde from it. But, as I brought it for my argument, whereby as from the more to the lesse, to inferre my speciall po­sition: so will I, now, come close to your man his hande: and although no necessitie of maintayning our callings cōstraine me thereto, yet, for cutting from him of all mat­ter of cavillation, even graunt this also to be my position.

That from a Wolfe and Thiefe (such as my proposi­tion proporteth) lawfull Ordination may bee even pro­perlie and personallie taken as from the particular mi­nister thereof. And, (to bee yet more indulgent to my Remarker then hee, perhaps, exspecteth) that, in that case, it might even so have beene taken from the Bishop of Rome also. Whereupon, if my Remarker marketh mee as holding that Ordination may bee lawfullie ministred by, or taken from a Wolfe or a Thiefe, absolutelie, hee hath taken his markes by the Moone, or then by his owne ima­ginations: whereto my wordes will never affoorde him any ground. For, besides all that, which the tenour of my Discourse, on that parte, did clearlie expose to anie not wilfullie wincking even over against his [REMARK] was put the restriction of a Wolfe, Retayning ordinarie place and power of Ordination. If there he had thought, that these two can not consist: to bee a Wolfe and a Thiefe, and yet to retayne place and power of ordination, from which, even thereby, hee doeth fall: yet, he might have remembred to distinguish betwixt a Thiefe without, and a Thiefe with­in. And againe, of inward Theeves, betwixt a Thiefe de­tected, notore, noted, and proclaimed to be a Thiefe, and a Thiefe still covered vnder false pretences, and, so, re­tayning with all in common the reputation, if not of a true or faithfull, yet of a lawfull Pastour. Hee should not separate my position from the restrict case thereof. For, as calling is double, outwarde, and inwarde, and, a man may have the inwarde calling (by a convenient measure of gifte, and a Divine motion to consecrate [Page 20] it to the giver) who hath not yet gotten outward ordina­tion: and, againe, one may have outward lawfull calling, who, inwardly, hath none, but, by the contrarie, is even a Thiefe in his heart: so may an ordinary Pastour, being, or becōming a Traytour and Wolfe, fall, so from all inward vocation, and, yet retaine, still, outward place & power of ordination, because, albeit a Traitour & Thiefe, his treasō notwithstanding, is not yet detected: whither through his owne craftie cariage & deceitful pretences, still, of a law­ful Pastour: or, through the simplicitie of these, who, recea­ving ordination of him, ar not skilled to discerne his trea­son, albeit even then deeply and pertly practised, Who, if they knewe it, and yet, would receave ordination of him: as they could not but, in that case, be Traitours also, and have no ordination at all: so, comming, in singlenes, to him, as to a lawfull Minister, and so accounted of all, in common, through the pretence of his Lord his ensigne and service: they may (that way) receave from him a lawfull ordination, the hidde or vnperceaved defect of the ordainer no more derogating to the lawfulnes of the ordination, then doeth the open and seene wickednes of a hyreling Minister impede the efficacie either of ordina­tion or the Sacraments ministred by him, in the faithfull receaver. And, if the equitie of this be so evident, alwayes, as, even in the state of a Church holding purity, al in com­mon, and, where, in that respect, the ordination of but one or fewe persons (who had beene thus ordained by an vnknowen, in the tyme, and, eftsoones detected Wolfe) might with lesse commotion or perill to the body of the Church, be annulled: albeit some men, in detestation of heresie, would vrge it, and, even the, so, ordained, also, (for the more clearing of themselves) should assent to the receaving of newe ordination: yet, if, even in such a case and condition of a Church, no necessitie could ever in­force it vpon the conscience of any: howe much greater, yea and a divers consideration ought to be had, when the whole body of the Church, in common, being affected; [Page 21] ordination is, in common, stained through all? most part, in common, being Wolves and Thieves, albeit not, as yet, in common, reputed so. For, as Augustin, wisely both wayeth and adviseth, a much different course and cure is to be taken and vsed, in a common evil, which hath over­gone the whole body: then when, in a well constitute body (in common) but one or few particular members are affected. And, hereof, Christ, the true both Maister and mirrour of all Wisdome, in his owne practise, gave a cleare lesson. The Scribes & Pharisees were, all, in com­mon, Wolves and Thieves: if perverters of the true sense of the law, and corrupters of all true both word and wor­shippe, by mixture of their leaven: if persecuters and mur­therers of Prophets and of the Lord himselfe: if, who had losed the key of knowledge, and neither themselves en­tred nor suffred others to enter in the Kingdome of Hea­ven: if destroyers of soules, making their Disciples, doubly, the children of the Gehenna, may be counted Wolves and Thieves, and, yet, in consideration of their ordinary place in the Church (totally, in common, as then, affected) and, the reputation which they retained, notwithstanding with all, in common, of lawfull Pastours [...]e Lord com­mandeth to heare and obey them, in the tyme so farre, as, sitting in Moses his chaire, [...]ey should teach accordingly. from whom, notwithstanding, as from Murtherers and destroyers, he had resolved to transferre his vineyard and house. And, is, I praye you, the baire receaving of out­ward ordination, from a man, of more importance, then is our totall submission to him, as to our Pastour, for the whole dispensation of grace to vs in the word and Sacra­ments? and, if, in such a condition of a Church, wee not only may, but even are commanded to submit our selves so, as, in the tyme (till the Lord discover them and cast them out) we may take good of them, and eschew their e­vil, in the whole outward ordinary dispensation of graces may not ordination also, in such a case, be lawfull? And may it not be taken also without contagion of the orday­ner [Page 22] his treasonable wickednes? and thus my generall po­sition also standeth true, that, even from a Wolfe or Thiefe vndetected, and, so retaining still the account of a lawfull Pastour, and outward place and power of ordination, &c. lawfull outward ordination may properly and personally flowe. If your Elimas hath remarked me for more then this (I having ever, ioyned the restrict case so clearly) he hath wronged himselfe more then me for, if I had but put these wordes for all ( seeing outward ordination serveth but for outwarde order) they might, with any honest hearted Reader, have freed me from all suspicion of so lourd an absurditie. For, what order can be imagined there, where knowne and advoued Haeretikes retaine any place or power in the Church? Nowe, Antichrist, in divers considerations is said to be hidde or covered: and, in divers considerations, to be revealed and detected. First, albeit hee was in the world (as in the seed and first beginnings of his hatching, while the mysterie of iniquitie was covertly begunne to worke) yet he was hidde and covered while light and the truth of the Gospell so prevailed, in common, as, errour was borne downe, and he did not aryse to any sensible height. And [...]cordingly, he is said to be revealed, when, through prevailing darknes of the bottomles pitte, he ob­tained a throne even in the Temple of God. And, even thus, againe (albeit, in a sort revealed) yet he is hidde and covered, so long, as, by his effectuall deceit and pretence of the Lambe his hornes (men not adverting the Dragon his mouth, or made yet wyse to count the number of his name) all, in common, doe still followe him, and won­der after him. and to bee revealed, againe, but that in two degrees (requiring a distinct and wyse consideration, and, which, most plainlie, in his story, are delivered by the spirit,) First, when, by the reviving light of the Gospell, men were brought to see great pollution both in manners and worshippe, and most part flowing from that execrable seat: wherevpon they were moved to de­test, and even grievouslie to complaine of the obtaining [Page 23] evils, and corruption of that seate in speciall. And, yet, this was so, as, his great place and proud pretence of Propheticall authoritie dazeled their weake eyes, in com­mon, from perceaving him clearly to bee, as a corrupt Bishop, so even the adversarie also and Antichrist and, therefore, scarce daring, yet to challenge him so, or to resolve separation from him: they vrged, only, and in­stantly, reformation of worshippe and manners, in sim­plicitie (poore honest soules) yet thinking, or not alto­gither dispairing, but, that the pard could leave his spotts, and the Thiefe and Traitour would reforme: and not yet fully resolved that Babylon could not bee cured. And in this degree, (while not only the Churche in Perga­mus, but even in Thyatira, albeit waxing in good workes, yet tollerateth: yea even while that first of the three Angels fleeth and preacheth through the middes of heaven, Revelar. Chapter fourtheene, verse 8.) yet is hee not fully detected. But, when his impatiencie of any cure, and bloodie crueltie in murthering the Saintes (whereby the, earst, spotted Pard becommeth whollie of the Dragon his collour, and, where, firste, but the heade, nowe the whole bodie is full of the names of blasphemie) stirre men not onely to applie the rodde of examination, (whereby to trie, if, possiblie, so bloodie and blasphemous a bodie could bee the true Churche of God) but also, that, thereby, Cittie and Courte are clearelie, founde to bee cast out, when the revived Witnesses are called vp and visiblie separated from his contagious fellowshippe: when the seconde Angell Revelat. Chapter 14. plainlie denounceth Ba­bylons fall, so, proclayming the Traitour: then was hee fullie revealed to bee a Thiefe and Wolfe, and, from that time foorth, no lawefull Ordination could either bee given by him or taken from him. As, thereupon, convenientlie, the thirde Angell Revelat. Chapter 14. verse 9. warneth, and, that, sadly, that none receave his marke. [Page 24] To reason, then, from Antichrist in the first degrees of the mysterie of iniquitie working towardes a height, to Anti­christ inthroned in the Temple: or, from Antichrist sit­ting, and, by effectuall deceit obtaining in the Temple, to Antichrist revealed: or, from the first degree of detection, to him, now, publiklie, proclaimed a Traitour, and the true church separated frō his fellowship: or from ordina­tion, flowing from him in the one case, to ordinatiō flow­ing from him on the other: it is deceaving, and yet but grosse sophistication. Now, if even thus, and, in the sense, which I have cleared to bee mine, your man yet hath re­marked my position to bee erroneous. And, if hee holdeth that from no Wolfe or Thiefe of whatsoever qualitie or condition any lawfull ordination could ever properly & personally be taken. Then you may tel my remarker, from me, that hee hath remarked that for an errour, which is so evident and stable a truth, as all, any where bearing the Beast his marke, shall never bee able to overthrow it. Though it should never so much grieve him, that thereby, his invincible argument is so vtterly overthrowen, as it, shall never any more find one foot to stand on.

What your man his ( REMARK) doth point at in this part of my words: [ And he who receaveth outward ordination is not sworne or tyed to the will or appetit of his ordainer, more then any mi­nister baptizeth in his owne name, &c.] For these wordes he draweth also, I could hardly, coniecture. To shew that the forsaking of the obedience, and deserting the fellow­shippe of ones ordainer (tryed a Traitour) taketh not away the deserters ordination: I vsed this argument. That, in our ordination, wee are consecrated, not to men, but to God. And to proove this, I brought the Apostel his reason of the common condition of all Christians. Whom, as Christ hath redeemed with his owne blood, and vindica­ted to the liberty of the Sonnes of God, so, hath he thereby exemed them, in their spirituall state, from being servants to men. For we have but one Lord: and, we are, no more Paul his, nor Apollo his, nor Cepha his, but Christ his. [Page 25] And accordingly, with the Apostle, I brought the vse and priviledge of our baptisme, the sacrament of our initation and entrie to that libertie in Christ: in whom only we are baptized, and, to whom only we are thereby consecrated, & not to men. according to which cōmon and cōstant li­bertie of al Christians by baptisme, I did argue, that, so, in our ordination to any publike office in the church, we are consecrated to Christ and not to men: to be his servants, & not the servants of men. Otherwayes, our ordin'atiō should destroy the libertie of our baptisme: being baptized, first to Christ, & being ordained, next to men. and so shuld Christ be robbed of his inheritance, so dearly purchased, & we of our liberty also. Wherevpon, it doth clearly follow, that in deserting the minister of my ordination (beeing found a wolfe) and, so, cleaving stil to Christ, whose I am, I do not fal away from the prerogative of my calling. For, who did separat vs, Christ or the Pope? and to whose service were we separat, Christ his or the Popes? were we baptized the children of God; to be thereafter, ordained servants of the Pope? what doth your Elymas remarke here? or, because I but touched the argume't, in a word, thinking it enough in so plain a matter, to point at the place, hath therfore, a Do­ctour of divinitie, mistaken my meaning; whereof no sen­sible christian could misse the perceptiō? Or, doth this per­haps offend him; that, where in ordination, subiection was professed & sworn to the Pope: yet I make the ordained to be no more sworn to the wil or appetit of the ordainer, thē any minister baptizeth in his owne name? But, I was not cōparing the rituall action or outward forme of baptisme with that of ordination. But (with the Apostle) frō the li­berty obtained & sealed vp to vs in baptisme, pleading the same in ordination also: the outward ministerie whereof maketh me no more servant to him who is minister there­of to me, then I was baptized in the name of the minister, but of the Lord. next, it is childish fallacie to reason frō the oath of subiection given to our ordainers in the matter of outward policy & governemēt, & for keeping decēt order [Page 26] in the house of God: to our spirituall servitude and subie­ction of our consciences to the will and appetite of men. I let goe, that it is a fallacie also to reason from the ordina­rie and subiection to him, to the minister of our ordinatiō, who is not alwayes the ordained his ordinarie. In our re­formed Churches, we give our oath of subiectiō to our or­dinaries: for, wee know that the house of God is not the house of cōfusion, but of order: and that the spirits of Pro­phets, are subiect to Prophets. but, doth this mancipate ei­ther vs or our ministrie to their will or appetit? Thirdlie, I would aske, if your mā thinketh it all one thing to swear subiection to the Pope; and to be sworne or tied to his wil and appetit? I aske fourthly, if that oath of subiectiō to the Pope was essentiall to lawfull ordination; or, but accesso­rie? if essentiall, then for many hundreths of yeres in al the Church, almost, there was no lawfull ordination. yea, and the Pope him selfe could have no lawful ordination who can not, neither doeth sweare subiection to him selfe. and, if it be not essentiall, but accessorie, then may both ordi­nation consist without it, & the loosing of it annulleth not the substance of ordinatiō, and the man, who holdeth or­dination to be a sacrament (whose common nature is to have relation to the graces of God only, sealed vp or con­ferred to vs therby: and to serve for notes of our professi­on of these dueties we owe againe immediatly to God) he should know this also, that by making any oath, in ordi­nation, given to man, to be an essentiall part thereof, hee maketh that man to be God, and that to bee his sacrament & not the Lord his. finallie, I demand whither the oath be given, first, properlie, and principally, to the Pope: or, first, properly, and principally, to Christ? And, whither it be gi­ven to the Pope, absolutly, or but in Christ, as to his vicar and minister? If first, properly, and principally, to Christ, & to Christ only, absolutlie: and to the Pope but secundari­lie, and in Christ (as I hope none dare deny: except they would, in plain termes, avouch this Pope to be that adver­sarie exalting himself as God above al that is called God, [Page 27] or worshipped) thē, I aske, whither finding the Pope to be not Christ his vicar, but the vicar of Satan his throne; king of locusts, and head of apostasie, & thervpon, falling from him; if I have broken any oath given in my ordination? or, if my renūcing of his obedience (found a traitour) looseth my oath first, properly, principally, and absolutly made to Christ? or, if it annichilateth my cōsecration to his service only, in my ordination first & properly frō him, and only to him? whither we do iustly charge the Pope to be Anti­christ or not, it is not here the question, but whither he be­ing Antichrist by our doctrine, and wee therevpon deser­ting him to whose subiection we were sworne: if that an­nulleth our ordination.

I have bene the larger in this matter remarked by your man perceaving his chiefe endeavour bended against me there. whither he hath esteemed me, in that part, weakest: or if he hath felt himself assailed, there in the foūdation of his strength: the peril of his invincible argumēt pricking him. for, except vpon the 6.7. & 8. sections of my treatise, he neither vttereth any word, nor giveth any other signi­fication of his meaning throw al, but that vpon the 28. se­ction, he setteth this signe ?. & that so sensibly as any may well perceave he was careful it should be seene, for shew­ing therewith my defect also signed thereby: & according­lie I stirred my owne minde to find out what so notable a slippe that could bee, which hee had so singularly no­ted. But in my dulnes could see nothing, except that there perhaps he thought some occasion might be catched to calumniat, or that there, was ministred to him some matter of mirding. Which sort of wares, these men, in dealing with vs, are accustomed to give vs in steed of so­lide demonstrations. My wordes to which his signe looketh, are these: for myne owne part, as in all sobernes and cleannes of heart, by the gift of GOD I have bene carefull to know the truth. So, was I never much curious to inquire of the particular state of our first mens callings. VVhich, whither it were ordinarie or extra­ordinarie, and that wholly or partly, in some men or in all: as it matte­reth [Page 28] litle or nothing (in so great and extraordinarie a work wrought by their ministries as is the discovery & conviction of Antichrist sitting mas­ked in the temple) so is the disputation there about but idle and childish, &c. If vpon my assertion here (in the case so clearly put in my wordes) that disputation about calling is idle & chil­dish: he would build vp this calumnie, that, absolutelie I misregard all respect of calling, and count absolutlie al di­sputation thereabout, idle & childish: he bewrayeth what spirit he is of: and, both my words here, and the whole te­nour of my treatise wil answer for me. If he would skoffe, perhaps, at this: that confessing my self never to have bene much curious to inquire of the particular state of our first mens callings, &c. I shuld yet vndertake the defēce of that which I cōfesse I know not. he sheweth him self, forsooth, to be a solide & serious disputer: who out of 29. sections of my book hath pyoked out this great point against me. But, doth it follow, because I was not much curious to enquire that therfore I do not know the? do mē never know ought, but which they thinke of such momēt as meriteth to be cu­riously inquired? because I esteemed it no material point, can I not therfore know it? doth it follow, that I have not sought to know it for other respects? Our adversaries va­nitie and perversenes make vs to seeke and know divers things: which for any fruit in them, otherways, we would never paine our selfs: but that for stopping their mouthes, and informing the simple against their deceit, we are for­ced, though with small delight, yet to digge in the dūghils of their durtie devises: so to make the stink of thē knowen. because I have never bin much curious to know the par­ticular state of our first mens callings; can I not therefore, possibly, know the cōmon case? or, can no man be able to defend our first mens callings, in cōmon, but he who hath curiously inquired, by whom, where, and in what particu­lar forme every one singularly was ordained? it becōmeth one professing Divinitie, conscientiouslie and gravelie to conferre for edification; & not, for seducing simple soules, either sophistically, to disput, or childishly, to dally, to his owne disgrace. What is this to the matter in hande; that, [Page 29] forsooth, I am ignorant of our first mens callings? Or what advantage hath he even in the confession of my ignorāce? If, how litle soever my care or curiositie hath ben to know that matter: yet, in this my careles ignorance, I have said so much for our callings: as (howsoever they would ap­peare to vilipend it) may make them not only carefull and curious, but even perplexedly anxious also for their owne credit: who alwayes, & everie where, vantingly & vainly gloried, that we were all mad dumbe in the matter of our callings. And albeit I know, that, according to their man­ner, they will make no end of boasting and altercation: (wherein, I mind not, by the grace of God, to be so badly busied, as to keep a part with them) yet I may boldly af­firme: barke, as it as they please, that yet they shall never be able to bring downe or, by sound and solide reason to shake any one ground laid down in that treatise. Wherein I have shewed the bow of our callings so doubly & strong stringed with two stringes: as either of which they shall never be able to cut with all their cunning.

I could have, perhaps, coniectured (as I know somwhat the manner and meaninges of these men) what surder hee would particularly have said by his other draughts which he hath drawn frequently and only on the 7. & 8. sections. but having cleared the maine point, I will not dally im­pertinently with him; or struggle with mine own shadow. as even of this, I have here done, he may perhaps say: and you, even therfore, esteeme it true. but, I am sure, I have either mett with his minde; or then hee shall not bee able to render any other such reason of his challenge, which shall not bee found as little, or lesse to his credit. And when ever his dumb draughts are made speaking lines, vppon the little I have lookt in them, I dare give my worde, that they shall bewray weaknes of sense, defect of sinceritie, or fraudulent shifting of the questiō. Now, as my treatise was written, but for information of modest minds and neither for any who will not be cured, neither yet to moove or to maintain iangling with any (an exercise both fruitles & evill beseeming Christians) so, now, for ought [Page 30] your man could either have said or signed I would not have interchanged one lyne with him. I know what is the efficacie of errour, and bewitching force of the cuppe of forniation in refractary seducers. I know that not onely the blind leaders of the blind, but even such as are joyned to their Idoles are to be let alone. And that such as would appeare to aske counsell of a Prophet, having set vp their Idols in their hearts, & having put the stumbling bloke of their iniquity before their eies: the Lord wil evē, in iustice answer thē according to the multitude of their Idols. But these pages ar to you: in remēbrāce of my offer once made you: if I should find any assurance of a syncere disposition, in al singlenes, & laying a syde preiudice, that you wou [...]d vprightly heare and learne: and, with an vnpartial heart, try & ponder both parts: giving vs the one eare and alike attension: with such other signes of indifferent affectiō, as might assure vs of halfe barr and aequall bench in the seat of your iudgement: and so much the more, as you have these yeeres past given vs evidences of a heart quite alie­nated from vs, and, as wee plead, from the truth also. And, albeit, as yet, we have gotten of you small or no tokens of any such intention: yet, I would not leave you this to say, that I had failed you promise at the first as neither (if I can yet see your mynd sincerely, carefully, and humbly set for resolution) wil I in this sort, or any other kynd of paines, wearie to doe you pleasure according to my power, in Christ. But, if either you, or any other lust to be conten­tious, wee have no such manner, neither the Church of God. Now, God even the Father of our Lord Iesus Christ, according to his good pleasure & aboūdantly ritch grace, graunt vs that our love may more and more abound in knowledge and all spirituall sense, whereby we may bee able to discerne things that differ: and, prooving all, to hold that which is good: that wee may bee syncere, and without offence till the day of Christ.

Yours in Christ P. FORBES, of Coirse.

A SHORT DISCOVERIE OF THE ADVERSARIE HIS DOTTAGE, IN HIS IMPERTINENT AND ridiculously deceitfull demaunds.

THat thou mayest perceave (Christian Reader) how foolish & fruitles a labour it is to dispute with these men. When their pamphlet against our callings, which stirred me to defence, was put abroad: it was backed by the applau­ders thereof, with insolent braggs that no answere either would or could possibly be given it: &, that, though twenty answers were made thereto, yet they should all be refelled with als many sound replyes. Here­vpon, at the intreaty of some well affected brethren (least the hearts of our weake ones should be dismayed) I was mooved to writ my treatise of defence: whereof a copy falling in the adversarie his handes (and that without my knowledge and against my purpose, who, hating conten­tion, framed my paines onely for resolution of modest minds) I heard divers and daylie surmises from them, that my treatise would be in short tyme solidly refuted. And, I, accordingly, more exspecting what a traveling moun­taine would bring foorth, then mynding any reply ther­to: at last my copy returned to me carying such notes of a censuring penne as occasioned my epistle to a recusant. Wherevpon their boast of refutation still waxing, and I thereby, exspecting some what more then in end to find but a ridiculous mouse: were brought to me, at length, [Page 2] after many weekes from the partie, and delivered with no small circumstance, forsooth, and earnest protestation of an answer in writ, these ensuing lines.

It is to be demanded of the ministerie, for the true resolution of a Christian soule, which if they resolve not, wee will ac­count them, &c.

SEeing the Ministers of Scotland graunts the church of Rome to have been once the true Church of Christ, wee desire them to thew in what yeare of God shee made first defection from the true re­ligion, and by whom shee was condemned for heresie. Likewayes, wee desire to know the names of these who since the Church of Rome fell from the trueth, hes continually from time to time, and age to age pro­fessed this religion in all substantiall pointes of doctrine as they pre­sently professe, whose doctrine and writings in all pointes of religion, they will advow and byde by.

NOw consider (good Reader) what either pitifull ig­norance, or rather poysonable perversnes of an inpu­dently evill conscience these demaundes bewray most e­videntlie. Our disputation was about the lawfulnes, or vnlawfulnes of our Pastorall callings. This they by their treatise laboured to evince: I by my defence pleaded the other. In this our litis-contestation, partly by dumbe, part­lie by speaking signes and draughtes set by them on the margent, or drawen betwixt the lines of my booke, they sought, at first, that it might seeme they had somewhat to say against me. Therevpon, in my epistle to a Recusant, I sustained my point. Now, in steed of replying ought, ei­ther for confirming their owne, or impugning my part of our debated matter, the question is, (whither impudently or ignorantly) altered: and, from the institut point of our vocation, like slipperie Iles, they slyde backe to new de­maundes of our doctrine. Is this, I pray you, to dispute, or to dallie? Are these the fresh fyrie edged schoolmen ar­rived lately, and with so great exspectation of working wonders, from Paris, Lovan, Rhems, & Rome; shaping, shoo­ting, [Page 3] and slopping men through with syllogismes; who neither, can propoune ought, or sustaine to heare any an­swere but in forma & figura; that nowe they forget not only all forme and figure; but therewith, all both mense and sense also, in so shamelesly shifting the question, & casting in, kowardly, a kard of another kynd? why remembred they not their owne offer so often and confidently made vs by worde, write and printe; that if we could but once cleare the lawfulnes of our callings, they would, without more adoe or furder disputation about heads of doctrine, give vs their handes? For our vocation I have said some­what against their obiections in my Treatise of defence. and, againe, in my epistle to a recusant, I have replyed to their censuring notes. If I have cleared the point, why re­member they not their covenant? If I have not, yet why, in place of refelling my argumentes and strengthening their owne point, am I deceitfully drawen away from the question in hand; by newe and impertinent demands of a different matter? and yet if in this their shameles shifting, there were, in them, any one spunke of sinceritie, I could even gladly bee drawen to follow them. for that, I con­fesse, it is a much more sure way from truth of doctrine to establish lawefulnes of vocation, then, vpon the slipperie ground of outward ordinary calling, to build a warrant of doctrine.

But consider, I pray you, first, the ingenuitie of the de­maunder, in the substance of his demaūds: and, next his aequitablenes, in his prescribed rules. wee are desired (in summe) to evince that the Church of Rome hath made a­postasie from the truth: and, therewith, to cleare that our doctrine is the veritie of God. But, (shameles men) what have we bene doing, these more then a hundreth yeares agoe, but filling the world with volumes; whereby wee have so plainly discovered their abhominations, and ve­rified the truth of our Doctrine; as wearied with conte­sting therabout, or rather vexed with their cleare convin­cing power of light, they were faine to cast vp all either [Page 4] disputation, & come in end as to their last refuge, to quar­rell our vocation? the lawfulnes whereof, when, thervpō we have stablished against al their cavillations, they leape now back, & of new again intend accusation against our doctrine. what is this else, but (as children, in their spor­ting, childishly practise and more childishly speak) to play titbore tatbore with vs?

Now, as he hath forgotten all shame in so childish shif­ting the question, so, by his limitations laid down to vs (I know not by what law) how to answer him in both the points demanded, he exponeth plainly to the perception of any sensible Reader, what sound mind he hath & what aequitablenes is in his dealing with vs. First, for evincing the apostasie of the church of Rome, we must take this law of the demander: that in so farre as the Church of Rome was once the true Church of Christ, we must, therefore, condescend what yeare of God shee made first defection, and by whom (accor­dingly) shee was condemned of Haeresie. Reasonable men, in­deed. And yet their companions in spirit, Iohn 19.7. pretended in als bad a cause, some more equitie: VVe have a law (said they) & by this law he ought to die. Our adversaries, neither having nor so much as pretending any stable law against vs, and therefore in an evill conscience shunning all right lawes of examination: they wil (in no small modestie forsooth) set downe rules of their owne braine, whereby they will have both them selves and vs tryed.

But, heerein, first, I can not but greatly muze, whither foolishlie or fraudfullie the demander hath fallen vpon so either an improper or so presumptuous a maner of speach, as, indefinitlie and absolutlie, to call the Church of Rome the true Church of Christ. that, consequently, all other chur­ches may either bee secluded from this title, or bee com­pelled to come in vnder the name of the church of Rome. Neither doe I so much muze hereon, for any doubt I have of the Demaunder his owne meaning (for I know how blasphemouslie bold they are, if not to mende the magni­ficat; yet to carve careleslie at the Creed, by adding Roma­nam [Page 5] to Sactam Ecclesiam Catholicam: thus forcing all, if not to receave the character, yet at least the name or number of the beast; but that he proponeth this as a point graūted by vs. I admire his impudencie: for, of the church of Rome; before shee became a harlot, we confesse that shee was a true church of Christ: or one of his true churches: or a true part of that his true church which is but one. but to intitle any particular Church, absolutly and indefinitly, with the name of the true Church of Christ, it is an inso­lent speach, and not according to the stile of holy scrip­ture, which addeth alwayes some distinguishing designa­tion, as the Church which is at Rome: in Iudea: in Corinth: of Galatia: of Ephesus, Smirna, Pergamus, &c. As for the church of Rome, Revel. 17.5 at length, becumming not only a harlot, but also the mother of whoordomes in all the earth, in which re­spect only it was that all commonlie therein did take her name; wee deny her, so, to bee either the true Church of Christ, or anie true part thereof; but the Synagogue of Sa­than and an abhominable Whoore, borne vp and advan­ced by a blasphemous and bloody beast. howsoever, all the while, vnder and within his vsurpation (even where Satan his throne was) the true Church of God long dwelt shruded and suffered to live vnder the name and number of the beast, yet free alwayes from his character. but, least I seeme over narrowlie to sift syllables, I passe this there, whither ignorant or arrogant, maner of speaking.

For prooving the church of Rome to have made aposta­sie from truth, we must, by our adversaries iniunctions, cō ­descend vpon the yere of God, wherein the first made de­fection: and who they were that, therevpon, even then, convinced her of haeresie. and shall this then serve to ex­ime her or any other church from the blot of defection or haeresie in all time thereafter; and make all whatsoever shee holdeth to be vndoubted truth, if the first houre and firste degrees of her apostasie have escaped a publike note? or howsoever noted, if yet shee hath not bene pu­blikely condemned of haeresie, or howsoever, both noted [Page 6] and condemned, yet if no publike record thereof be extant to future ages? shall any long space of time iustifie waxing and obtaining errour? or is there any such prescription a­gainst truth, but that, jure postlimin [...] at least, it may alwayes pleade iustly for reposition? I leave, here, to the vpright consideration of any indifferent minde, what true confi­dence these men can have of their owne cause, who pre­scribe such limitations: and, being challenged of sacrile­gious guiltines, will offer themselves no otherwayes to tryall: then, as if a cunning and long covered Thiefe tatched with innumerable fangges, and having all his houses stuffed with stolen wares, yet should partly pro­test, that in so farre as he had bene once honest, and of all men accounted so: hee ought therefore to be reputed so still, notwithstanding of any thing found by him, except it may bee cleared, what houre of his lyfe he did first be­gin to steale, in what place, and from what persones, and, therewithall; who had even then convinced and con­demned him for a Thiefe. Or as if a subtile and long dis­sembling harlot, discovered at last, to have opened her feet to all that passe by the way, should yet pleade, that, in so farre as she was once a virgin, and had long retained the reputation of an honest and chast woman, shee ought therefore, to be esteemed so still: except it be plainly proo­ved against her, what time, first, shee became lascivious, and when, where, and who did first presse the teats of her virginitie: and therewith also who even then vpon the point had cleared and convinced her to be a Harlot, and, thus, the greatest Thiefe in the world might pannel with­out perill: and the most arrant whoore yet impudently wipe her mouth and say she had committed no iniquitie. He were an impudent fellow who selling rotten and cor­rupted Wines, yet would boldly affirme them to be freshe and healthsome, because that once they had bene recent and good: neither could any man precisely point to him the houre when they became first purifyed, or produce any who, at that instant, had condemned them for such.

[Page 7]We know that putrifaction cōmeth not at once: but that wine, after that it have loosed som of the colour, yet it wil retaine taste: and after that both colour and taste are a lit­tle chaunged, yet while better is not cōmonly to bee had, it will be drunk of and passe for wine. Which, notwithsta­ding, when it hath not only becom aigre, but so rotten al­so, as it can neither be coūted wine nor serve for vineger, may then not only be condemned as reprobate, but even iustly bee cast out as not only improfitable but also noy­some and pestilent. 2 Thes. 2.7 We know by scripture and agreeable experiēce, that the course of iniquitie is a mysterie which Sathan even in the Apostolike times and thence forward was a hatching; first by vnperceptible, & next by percep­tible, but either not well adverted or not, duelie regarded degrees, till cunningly and covertly at length, in all effe­ctualites of deepe deceit vnder faire pretences, and from small, Revel. 13. and (as appeared) not intolerable beginnings; An­tichrist vnder pretence of the Lambe his hornes, obtained a throne even in the temple: and, by proude pretence of Propheticall authoritie, was so borne out in that vsurpati­on, as, Revel. 2. a long time, the true church dwelling even where Sathan his throne was, and, even there (keeping the name of God, yet had this piece of weaknes, that they tolerated spirituall fornication: Neither that only in the first degree of subtill insinuation thereof, as by Balaam, but even when togither with Propheticall pretence, cruell and bloodie tyrannie, as of Iezabel, was conioyned to maintaine & ad­vance Idolatrie, as, by the states of Pergamus and Thyatira, true types of those times is most cleare: and as, both in my treatise of defence, and in my commentarie on the Reve­lation I have so clearelie shewed, as, if the demander were not either Piti [...]ullie ignorant, or perverslie refracta [...], might have keeped him from forming out thus his owne shame by so ridiculous demaundes. When almost all and everie particular point of doctrine wherewith we charge the church of Rome, are well considered: they will bee found either of late invention, or then with time and by [Page 8] degrees to have growen vp to capitall praevarications: and that from partly, so laudable, partly, so plausible, part­ly, so tolerable, partly, so smal and insensible beginnings, as, to men either not so circumspect as to perceave, or of a more peaceable disposition then to contend about everie thing gave not, as they thought, at first great occa­sion of contesting albeit n [...]islyking divers things which for regarde of the Churches peace they tolerated. Which men if they had but once imagined whereto, by tyme, Sathan his eras [...] and man his vanity would have brought things, they had vndoubtedly resisted the verie smallest beginnings even to the bloode. Who, but, a stranger in Church storie and writings of the Fathers, knoweth not, that, albeit some of thē, through deceit of Philosophie did slyde vpon some fonde fantasies of Purgatorie; yet their opinions thereof at first were als farre from such a Purga­torie as thereafter and now the Church of Rome defen­deth, as the Roman [...]s make their Purgatorie to bee diffe­rent from hell? Who knoweth not also, that it was then with such freedome of iudgement, as of a thing not much mattering what any did estsome thereof, that Augustin (who mislyked it) yet in his accustomed modestie, spea­king thereof, sayth no more but non [...]lide c [...]rgu [...], forfitan ve­rumest? Would Augustin have so spoken of such an article of faith, as vnder paine of eternal flammes must be believed, and for denying of which fantastike fyre, the Romanists have made so many thousands to feele here, the cruel flāmes of reall burning. If that Godly Father had thought that ever any could have so impudently vsurped as to impose so tyrannicall a yoake of bondage on the consciences of Christians; he had altered, I warrant you, his stile to valide [...] and, est [...]tique [...].

Now, as this forged flame of a pretended Purgatorie, in course of time, through Sathan his bellowes, waxed hotter and hotter: who knoweth not, that, therewith also the doctrine of mens merits, of workes of supererogation, of humane satisfactions, of indulgences, and the rest of [Page 9] that sacrilegious [...] set vp in contumelie of the crosse of Christ, Revel. 9. did also more and more prevail and take place; through the craft of these locustes, who for their owne gaine, like scorpions, did sting men of the worlde with a paine lesse tolerable thē death? Auricular cōfession though it was of anicient vse: yet, who but ignorants know not, that the practise thereof in primitive tymes was free? Yea and so free, that Nectarius an orthodox and highly com­mended Bishop of Constantinople, did abrogate al vse there­of, as greatly offensive in the Easterne Churches. Would (I pray you) so godly and approoved a Father have dischar­ged that without which can bee no salvation or remission of sinnes cōmitted after baptisme? Or albeit he might have erred herein, yet would al the Easterne Churches have so lightly subscribed to such an heresie? And howsoever both he and the Easterne churches with him might have fallen so lourdly, yet would all the Westerne Churches and the Bishoppes of Rome (who otherwayes were, in a praeposte­rous aemulation, more then ready enough oft tymes to pry in and carpe at the defects of that seat) have not only beene silent, at so sacrilegious a derogation of the faith; but also have keeped still communion with Nectarius and the Easterne Churches? Can the Romanistes produce any law, imposing privat confession before the Pontifi­calitie of Innocentius the third; who was in succession the 183. Bishop of Rome? Who knoweth the date of the Counsell of Latran; but can well enough calcull what tyme, first, any Canon of auricular confession was inacted? A laudable and loving practise of the primitive Church in the commemoration of Martyres, and (according to both the expediency, &, some tymes, the necessitie of these dayes) the assembling and exercising of GOD his worship at their sepulchres: and the godly care, which, against the feritie of beastly persecuters, was had of their funeralles and collecting of their dissipated relicts: to how, not only a superstitious dottage, but even to how detestale an Ido­latrie, tyme, by Sathan his subtilitie, made it to degener [Page 10] in the worship not only of creatures, but even of carions, miserable experience hath proved. The Fathers, in a pre­posterous zeale and piece of carnall wisdome, seeking to abrogate all memorie of Heathenisme, and finding how difficill a thing it was to reduce superstitious people from a long and plausible custome of evills, they turned all the solemne rites and festivities of tymes and places dedica­ted and practized in the worship of Heathen Idolls, to the celebration of the memorie and honour of saints. Thus (as blind Steuchus foolishly glorieth of Satan his subtil suc­cesse in the mysterie of iniquitie) Omnia Prophane Sacra ef­fect [...] [...] & ritus profani corporunt esse [...]itus sacri, Pro donat. Constant. [...]ont. Vallā. &c.) and, by time, through Satan his sleight working by the superstiti­ous humours of vaine men, what was gained hereby, but that with interchange of Idolls, the Idolatrie abode no lesse abhominable then before? The execrable erecting and adoratiō of Images (against plaine scripture, expresse iudgement of the Fathers, and cleare Canons of orthodox Counsells) of what time it was, the terrible Tragedies stirred vp thereabout, and the proud and respectles ren­ting of the Church of Christ have left vs too lamentable recordes. If all the Fathers who lived even many hun­dreths of yeares after Christ, were presentlie reduced to life, & did heare what a stirre is made in the world nowe about trāssubstantiation, would they not all start at once, astonied at so strange a sound? and even bee greatly ama­zed what monstruous meaning vnder so prodigious a word could be implyed? What would these holy Fathers (who if in any other, have most plainly left their minde in that point) think of the doctrine which now the church of Rome holdeth of the sacred Supper? When even the author of the glosse on the Decretal: albeit him self plun­ged in a hudge measure of prevayling darknes, yet did so farre skunner at the portētous wordes prescribed by Pope Nicolam to Berengarius (who, as they have given out of him, whither falslie, or that fleeing one extremitie hee did fall perhaps too farre to the other, did think too slenderly, and [Page 11] speak to warshly of that sacrament) that hee exclaimeth no small perill to be in them of breeding a worse haeresie then was that of Berengarius? Who is so childish as to be ignorant how lately and how audaciously, in an advowed contempt of the Lord his institution, and of all ancient and pure pra­ctise of the primitive church, the sacred supper was mutila­ted, and the people proudly & profanely prohibited all vse of the commanded cuppe? 1. Tim. 4. Now in these two points, wher­by the Apostle designeth the devilish doctours of later times, who knoweth not what libertie both is left to chri­stians in the written word, and was also long practised in the primitive Church? and how that voluntarie abstinence in both kindes: first to hyperbolically praised; next, too su­perstitiously admired; albeit no way necessarily required, yet brought men and woemen by time to delite too much in wil-worshippe; and vainly, to become votaries of more then either the Lord required at their handes, or they were able to performe? And Satan thus in end tooke advantage, by his hypocriticall doctours, to the overthrow of all chri­stian libertie; to lay on importable burdens on the consci­ences of men. Single lyfe, though by some Fathers (too full of their owne sense) it was over farre extolled, even with the contumelious reproaching of that holy bande, which the Lord him selfe first instituted, & that even before sinne came in the world: which by his presēce in the flesh he both countenanced & graced: Gen. 2. Iohn. 2. Heb. 13.4. and which by his Apostle he cal­leth honorable in al persons: yet was it long ere Satā durst be so impudent as, vnder any hypocriticall pretence of ho­lynes, by the vicar of his throne to open so plainly his Dra­gon his mouth, 1. Tim. 4.3 as to come to [...] and [...]. Which vsurpation how late it was, the miserable vexation of ma­nie churches, & of these in this our Iland in speciall, for con­stant withstanding: and at last, this yoake of bondage not willingly receaved, but violētly imposed, can wel enough verifie. Now, withall, how cunninglie and by what de­grees, for advancing, strengthening, and maintaining of all these errors, the vicar of Satan his throne vnder pretence of [Page 12] the Lamb his hornes, ascended (as Gregory speaketh) cul [...] singularitatis, it hath bene a thousand tymes more then mani­festly shewed. And yet in a silly shift, God wot, our adversa­rie summoneth vs, and that, foresooth, with certification, to shew thē how, tanquā vomere tusco, Erutusille Tages, repente doctus in ipso nascendi articulo. so, the church of Rome hath, in one instāt made defection: and even in that point, hath bene not only pointed at, but also painted out as haereticall. But, vainly & impertinently (which once to think were execrable impie­ty) had Antichrist his arysing and worke of iniquity beene of the holy Ghost named a mystery, wherein Sathan in all deceaveablenes of vnrighteousnes should bring on such a common apostasie, as whereby his vicar his throne should be erected even in the Church, and who in his owne tyme should be discovered: if the first degrees thereof had beene not onely exposed to common perception, but noted also: neither this only but also publikelie condemned of haeresie. And what will you doe then with these men who will ad­mit no other rules of disputation and examination; but which are plainly repugnant to all the clearly foretold and fallen out course of GOD his wyse dispensation in the case of his Church, and of her condition accordingly?

Now, how aequitable our adversaries are in their owne case (that they will, foresooth, he content to be tryed by a rule of their owne appointing) so reasonable they shew themselves towardes vs in admitting vs to the de­fence of our doctrine, but so, as wee must take also from them the law of examination: Namely, that they will ac­cept no defence of vs except we designe the particular per­sons who from age to age have holden the same doctrine which we professe, and that in all the substantiall points thereof, and whose writings in all points of religion wee will advow and byde at. And is it so indeed, that we have not a more certain rule of truth; then what from age to age men may be cleared to have holden? Or, rather, are not all ages, and all men in all ages, and all and whatsoever opi­nions of whatsoever men in any age, to bee reduced to [Page 13] examination by that stable truth and everlasting Gospell which Christ and his Apostles first preached, and there­after, by the will of God, (as sayeth Ireneus) did put in writ, to remain for ever, Lib. [...]. [...] pra [...]s. the constant ground and rule of our faith? Shall this invariable and inviolable truth of God be subiect vnto men; or men vnto it? And, though all men were liars, shall therefore the truth of God faile? Shal tyme so strengthen errour, as, what from the beginning was in­valid, any length of dayes shall make it good? Math. 15.9. The Lord himselfe being accused (as we are now) of transgressing the tradition of the Fathers, answered that in vaine they wor­ship God, Math. 19.8. who teach for doctrines the traditions of men: and against most inveterat, strongly authorized, and ob­taining errours, hee opposed this one reason that it was not so from the beginning. The most approoved amongst the Fathers have taught vs, that, for warrant of faith, we have neither to rely vpon what they themselves, or what the Fathers who were before them have said, but vpon that which Christ and his Apostles who were before all have delivered. Antiquity I confesse, were a great argument for truth, if Sathan had not beene a lier from the beginning. And yet the adversarie is so ridiculous as to demaund vs what men they are, whose doctrine and writtings in all points of religion wee will advow and byde ate. But mi­serable men, is there an option left vs, or any who will not perish in blindnes, to make a choise to whose doctrine and writings in all points of religion wee will betake vs? Hath the Lord left vs so incertain what to flee or follow? We are not to advow or byde at any either doctrine or wri­tings as vndoubted truth, but what in the sacred scriptures is set downe. All other whither doctrine or writings of whatsoever men and in whatsoever age, Epist. 19. all Hieronym. which words are insert in the decretall distinct. 9. can. [...]is so [...]. wee advow and byde at but so far as they are consonant to that. So as if an Angell from heaven preach any other Gospell, let him be anathema. Eis solis Scriptur arum libris qui iani Canonici appellantur (sayeth Augustin) didici hunc timorem honoremq̄ue deferre, vt nullum serum authorem scribendo aliquid errasse firmiter credam. [Page 14] And a little after. Alias autem ita lego vt quanta libet sanctitata doctrina (que) pr [...]p [...]lleant, non ideo verum putem quia ipsi ita censerunt, sed quia mihi, vel per ill [...]s authores canonicos, vel probabili rations, quod à veró non abhorreat, persuadere potuerant. That is, onely to these bookes, of Scripture, which are called Canonik, have I learned to yeeld this feare and honour, that I firme­lie believe no Author of them to have erred ought in writings. As for others I so read them, as, how excellent­ly soever holy or learned they be, yet I thinke not ought to bee, therefore, true, because they have thought so, but because either by these Canonicall authors, or, by pro­bable reason they were able to perswade me that which doth not abhorre from truth. And have we not more then a thousand times evinced evidētly that we professe & main­taine no other doctrine, then that which Christ & his Apo­stles first taught by word, & therafter left vs in register for a stable and vndoudted rule to al succeeding ages: & which, in despyt of Satan, albeit busily advancing the mysterie of iniquitie, yet was commonly holden in the Church more then three hundreth yeeres thereafter? And, which, how­soever by prevayling darknes of the bottomles pitt, it was so farre, at length, eclipsed, as Sathan obtayned a throne even in the Temple of God, yet was, all the tyme of that prevayling errour, the true both light and life of these, who dwelling even where Sathan his throne was, and albeit in weaknes tolerating spirituall fornication, yet keeped the name of God, Revel. 20. & lived & reigned with him a 1000. yeres not receaving the beast his character: albeit lurking vnder the shadow of his name or number: &, which, from vnder that overwhelming deluge of darknes, hath brokē foorth again now three hundreth yeres agoe, and that by degrees (pray­sed bee God) so clearly and powerfully, to the convincing and dispelling therof, as it maketh the recurelesse characte­rized followers of the beast to gnaw their toungs for sorow & blaspheme bitterly. Our adversaries, in this their demaūd are no lesse ridiculous, thē were either a senseles foole, or a perverse iangler, who, the sunne arysing bright in the mor­ning, [Page 15] yet because, soone after, it is by degrees so lapped vp in clouddes and mist as it is not seene of men in the earth, till that; some houres before even, breaking out again clearly, & dispelling all that overshadowing darknes, it lighten of new the earth, would, therefore, with pertinacie plead that the sunne thus wrestling out from vnder that overvailing cloud, were not the true sunne which in the morning had shyned, but some counterfait and never before seene Comet: because, foresooth, their eies had not all the minuts of the day sensibly seene the shyning body and particular progres of it. But, poor Idiots, the sunne hath such a soveraine and singular both light and heat, as, though all the dolts in the worlde would disclaime it, yet wil evince it, to be alwayes one and the same: Exod. 10.23. and, albeit long covered and vnpercea­ved in common, yet that, all the while, it still so shyned, as howsoever in all Aegipt was palpable darknes, yet, in Gosben was cleare and confortable light.

In my treatise of defence and 19. section thereof, answe­ring this same obiection, I alledged, that as divers of our men had done, so I might bring faire Catalogues of men who in former ages had holden the truth & heavely lamen­ted the prevayling corruptions of their tymes. But I gave, there, divers and good reasons why neither ought that iust­ly bee required of vs, neither we bee so foolish as to divert with our adversaries to so vnnecessary an altercation. And, long before, in my commentarie vpon the 14. Chap. of the Revelation, I shewed, how, to answer the adversarie ought hereto, were but vainly to hale the coard of contention with men whose mouthes wee might stoppe by more sure and evident arguments. And yet the adversarie (in a good conscience I warrant you, of a iust cause) will admit, now, no rule whereby to examine vs, but which hee knew verie well that, before any demande from him, I had, for good reasons, reiected: and he is so extreemly impudent heerein, as not onely without refelling any of my reasons, he still vrgeth it: but fearing also what herein I might verie well performe if I pleased to answer a foole to his follie, and so [Page 16] proove a foole with him: that, wherto I refused to answere, being proponed evē in a large case, he reponeth to me now with such strict limitations, as any sensible Reader may e­vidently perceave, he hath fore-caston his evasions how to escape taking. And for this it is that, forsooth, we must show who frō age to age not onley held, but also professed the same Religion, and that in all substantiall points. And whose writinges, in all points wee will advow and byde at. Heere, hee hath prepared to him selfe exceptions against any whom hee thinketh that, in those most corrupted times, wee can produce against him. First, if hee hath not open­lie avowed and professed: next, if hee hath not professed all the substantiall points which wee holde. Thirdly, if we advow not and byde at al whatsoever they have writ­ten in all and any point of Religion. Sweet, indeed, and sounde hearted disputers. By this law laide downe to vs by these aequitable men, not only shall they serve vs for no witnesses who through ignorance or infirmitie, or com­mon errour in the tyme have impinged, perhaps, in some points, but even their silence or want of a remaining re­cord behinde them, in anie one point professed by vs, shall get them casten. But (which before I have shewed) as all e­vills did not arise at once, neither, at firste to such degree as where fore men would be soone caried to open contestati­on: so (albeit in a common vse and prevayling practise, yet before any tyrannicall yoake was imposed on consciences, by inforcing lawes) while a libertie was left to men of hol­ding them selves pure, and keeping the name of GOD, they were loath, with evident hazard, to contende against evill so subtillie insinuated, and by pretence of Propheti­call authoritie, so arrogantly advaunced. A weaknes, I con­fesse, in them, but such as the holy Ghost hath clearely fore­tolde vs should befall even his true and faithfull Church, dwelling where Sathan his throne was. And, which, the more the mysterie of iniquitie wrought on, was the lesse wonderfull: in regarde of the tyrānicall vsurpation, wher­by no libertie was left (without certaine peril) of anie open opposition; or, if, of open profession, yet not of publishing [Page 17] in writte: or, if of this, yet not of preserving any recorde thereof to the posteritie.

Now, besides this, what marvaill, in such a common a­postasie, and ecclipse of all true light, though even these good and godly men (who both mourned for it, and in the middes of it keeped the name of God, holding the sub­stantiall foundation of salvation) were some what tainted in many thinges with the contagion of the tyme? Whither that thorough defect of knowledge they were imprudent­lie miscaried in some points, or, rather through defect of courage, they tolerated what otherwayes they would ne­ver have approoved. Whose weaknes, heerein, albeit the holy Ghost taxeth, Epist. 119. ad Ianuar. yet hath hee, indulgently, covered it vn­der the lappe of his garment. Augustin, whyle some tolera­ble estate of a Church still remayned, yet heavilie, regrai­teth, that even in his time the Church of God (which her Lord will have to bee free) was so burdened with multi­tude of superfluous and superstitious ceremonies, as the state of the Iewes, vnder their Pedagogie was more tolera­ble. In the succeeding ages, the evill had so farre waxed, as, in consideration of the great corruption, Gregorie the first Bishop of Rome, did not sticke to affirme (and truely) that, Antichristus, lib. 4. epi. 34 & epist. 38. qui appellationem sibi vindicabit vniversalis Episcopi, even pro foribus est: and that, quod dici nefas est, Sacerdotum exercitus paratus est ad a [...]ectandum eum. Bernard, whose groanes and la­mentations did meete almost, with the height of Antichri­stian vsurpation, albeit, for such a measure both of learning and holynes as was rare in so corrupt a tyme, hee was so re­verend as gave him more freedom of taxing common cor­ruption, then would have been tolerated in an other; yet, by his timerous stile, he sheweth, clearly, that, as evils were mounted to a great height, so, was any liberty of rebuke ex­treemly dangerous. To the Bishop of Rome he writeth thus: inter haec, Ad Eugen. Pap. [...]. tu pastor procedis multo & precioso circūdatus auro. Si auderē dicere daemonum magis quā ovium pascua haec. Scilicet sic factitabat Pe­trus, sic Paulus ludebat: & mur mur loquor & quarinicniam omniū Ec­clesiarum. And facitis hoc quiae potestis, sed vtrum debeatis, quaestio est. [Page 18] And, that no man thinke he taxeth the particular vices of one man, these are also his wordes: à te tamen mos iste vel pati­as [...] non venit, [...]inam in te def [...]at. Consider, I pray you, how timerouslie even the most free speaker, in his tyme, steppeth to talke of that, which albeit it was [...] & qua­timonia [...] ecclesiarum, yet is he faine to vse this preface. Si anderem dicere ▪ and, vtrum debeatis quaestio est. And yet, least, even thus, hee should have too much irritated, he behooved to sweetten his harde speaches with this syrope àte tames mosiste non venit. Soone after these times men begā not only to see the Bishop of Rome a corrupted Bishop, but also to suspect him a Traitour: and not so much look that, by him, any reformatiō should come, as to dispaire that he could be cured: Revel. 10. and 11. till at last, the eyes of some (through the little booke sweetly swallowed and reid applied) were opened to see him, and confidently to cal him the beast of the Dragon his throne and authority. The adversarie forecasting with him selfe what, in this case we might be able to alledge against him, hath tymouslie, in his demaunds, builded to him selfe backdores, whereby if we would shew murmur & querimoniā omnium ecclesiarum, he shal start out at the postern of opē pro­fession, and that of all substantial points. If we bring Gregory or Bernard, or other such: then, some particular defectes of these godly mē (which both the Lord hath mercifully pas­sed by and we also would charitably cover) are narrowlie sitted out & cast in our teeth, to deprive vs of al their good. so as, except by his forlaid rule, wee advow and byd at all whatsoever they have written, they must stande vs for no witnesses. But, herein, a needles fear hath made my adver­sarie vnnecessarily to bewray himself how small either cō ­fidence or good conscience he hath in the matter which he maintaineth. For, I was never purposed to dally with him in this kind; or to be drawen deceitfully by him from sure & solid groūds, to divert foolishly to so wyde and vain a field of endles altercatiō. We know assuredly, that God, alwayes had a number who keeped his name and leived his life not only in the Primitive & most pure times while the woman [Page 19] was yet cloathed with the Sun, Revel. 12. and even there­after also when corruption came on in such degrees, as the third of al green thing in earth, Revel. 8. the third of the sea & things therein, the third of fountaines and rivers, the third of Sun, Moone, starres, day & night, was smitten: Neither only now againe, in the reviving light of the Gospell since the first of three Angels break out through the midds of heaven with the euerlasting gospel, Revel. 14. (whereby the Sun, by de­grees, wresting out frō vnder that darknes, Revel. 18.1. hath now at last lightened al the earth with the glorie thereof) but that evē in those mid and most miserable times, Revel. 9. and 13. wherein Sūne and aire were totally eclipsed by the smoake of the bottomles pitt, and all the earth followed the beast, yet still also God had a number sealed: and, that, howsoever (in cōmon) they were so farr either in simplicitie abused, or by fear dismay­ed, as to tolerate spirituall fornication, and to receave the name or number of the beast, yet, they keeped the name of the Lambe his father, and never receaved the beast his cha­racter. of whose murmurings and regrets (in despite of all repressing and suppressing tyrannie) we could bring, & di­vers of vs have more then once brought such instāces from storie, as may confirme any cleane hearted man that, both sparkles of true light remained and many also were inligh­tened and lived thereby even while Antichrist by prevay­ling darknes appeared to obtaine all. But, to bee drawen childishlie to answer our adversaries heerein according to their perverse minde, and prescriptions & limitations, im­pudently, against al law and reason, and in an evidencie of an evill and self-accusing conscience, laid down vnto vs, it were not only to answer a foole to his foolishnes, and so to become a foole with him: but it were even to discredit that vndoubted truth which we professe: by labouring to prove such a case as is flat contrarie to the clearly foretold course, both of God his wise dispensation, and (by his permission) of Sathan his subtill dealing in the mysterie of iniquitie waxing, obtayning, discovered, and overthrowen. The holy Ghost hath so clearely foretold both the case, and par­ticular [Page 20] course, as, either our adversaries ignorance is mise­rable, or their perversnes abhominable. Wee are forwarned of such an Apostasie as whereby Antichrist shall sit Lieute­nant of the Dragon his throne, even in the Church of God (as even Augustin inclineth to interpret.) De civitate De [...], lib. 20. cap. 19. Revel. 2. In this vsurpation wee are forwarned that GOD should still have a Church dwelling even where Satan his throne was: but with this note of infirmitie, that, albeit themselves keeping the name of God, yet they should be brought to tolerat spirituall for­nication. And, yet, even in this case our adversaries will needes have instances given them of open profession and advowed contestation, Revel. 9. and that, in all substantiall points. Wee are forwarned that spirituall darknes shall so overgoe Sun and Aire, all spirituall both active and passive light in the visible Church, as none shal be exempted from the evil arysing thereof. Except a few secrete sealed-ones, who while all the earth follow the beast: shall cleave constant­ly to the Lambe: Revel. 14. but so, as none shall either heare or learne their song but themselves. But our adversaries will have both them and their song not onely even then commonlie knowen and heard, but also registrat records thereof re­maining. We are forwarned that Antichrist shall so tyran­nize in the holy City and Court of the Temple (the visible church) Revel. 11. and 13. as all true worshippe shal be trodden downe therin as it was in Israel by Iezabell three yeeres and a halve of fa­mine: and by Antiochus Epiphanes, abrogating the daylie sa­crifie and erecting the abhomination of desolation in place thereof, the same space: and yet that all the while GOD should secretly & wonderfully preserve two Candlestiks and two Olyves within the Temple. And our adversaries yet will have vs to shew an advowed standing true wor­shippe all that tyme even in the Citie and Court. Now what were this, I pray you, but either blasphemouslie to belie the holy Ghost, or foolishlie to discredit that vn­doubted truth which wee holde? So miserablie ignorant are our adversaries, that they perceave not how that, which they most obiect against vs, speaketh stronglie for vs; and [Page 21] even in that wherein they most glorie, is their evident disgrace.

And yet these demaunds, which I have thus shortlie discovered to be impertinent, foolish, and fraudulent, are sent to vs with a supercilious certification, that except wee resolve them, therin they will account vs, &c. Satis, foresooth, pro imperio: their, &c. I warrant you implyeth a ponderous Apostopesis of much worse then they would say out, or yet their Paper could beare without blushing: yet, they can account no worse of vs then their companions in spirit did of our Lord and maister, whom they called a Samaritan and a Devill. And with them wee can neither exspect nor covet to bee in any better account, except wee were lyars and murtherers like themselves. But wee passe verie little to be iudged of such as the Lord, in iustice, hath given vp to mindes void of all true iudgement. And shal any terrour then of this their supercilious certificat stirre vs to play the fooles in answering thē, in that which a 1000. times already hath ben evinced? That as, now, to escape taking, they have in an evil conscience start from the questiō of our vocation to these demaūds of our doctrine, so when they ar reduced of new to any strait herein, they may als shamelesly cast in again to vs. O but where is your calling? Shall we labour to resolve those who even professe that they are in nothing so much resolved as in this that they will never either seek for or admit any resolution? shal we either disput with such Doctours; as give their disciples infallibly to hold; or take paines for resolution of such disciples, as readily receave, believe, & maintain; that for them to read scripture, is not only a profitles, but also a perillous exercise: that the true sense of the holy Ghost & of scripture may be more certain­ly had from the Doctours then from scripture: and that yet, through their diversity of opinions & even doubtfull deli­very therof, wherthrough the protestāts plead that the most approoved Fathers stand for them, so incertaine also is any resolution that way, that to have the soule fully setled, it must simply & who­ly rely vpon the iudgemēt & determination of the church: [Page 22] which the ghostly Father will take vpon his soul to be on­ly that Rome: that, in any case, all conference with mini­sters, all reading of their workes, and hearing of their ser­mons be carefully eschewed. And, if vpon any necessitie it should befal them at any time to be present at a preaching, then, either to sleep or stoppe their eares: or if they must here, yet that they never suffer their hearts once cōdescend to esteeme any better of them (how plainly, powerfully, or holily soever they appeare to speake) but that it is Sathan speaking to them in a man his semblance. These late arri­ved Rabbies who are so securely roving in these quarters and subverting instable soules: and their disciples also who give them so glad eares, know very well, if I have heere summarily comprysed and rightly recounted to them the compend of their Ca [...]echisme. So as, in conference with some of ours, one did not stick (ô prodigious blasphemy) to answer, away with your Scripture, you may proove a hundreth lyes from Scripture. And is it with such Doctours as deny the prin­ciples, and destroying all true grounds of resolution, will tye men to fansies of their owne imposing that wee should disput? Or have we to busie our selves for resolving of such disciples, as (because the shining light of the Gospell cannot bee gotten extinguished) therefore, either gladly learne, wilfully to winck at it, or, willingly, yeeld their eies to bee pyked out, least they should see and turne? shal we then an­swer these demaunds. Or (as Godly and wyse Ezechia, in the case of rayling Rabsacbee) shall wee not resolve rather not to answer them one worde, but to spred out their blasphemies before the Lord? Yea verely. Neither is ought I have heere said so much to make them any answere, as to open to true Christian soules (in Christian singlenes & sobernes seeking light, & not in pryd & perversnes to strengthen the Idols of their owne hearts) how impertinently, ridiculouslie, & de­ceitfullie, these demaundes are proponed. For whose fuller resolution herein, &c how farre & what is requisit to be an­swered to them: besides many other & more learned works thē my slēdernes can affoord: let thē read also my preceeding [Page 23] treatises of defence, and my cōmentarie on the Revelatiō: and thereof, specially, that typicall relation which the seven Churches of Asia have to the militant Church according to her distinct and succeeding cōditions in the mystery of ini­quitie working on the height, and her arising againe from vnder that evill (which point in the London copies, vpon misconceaved ielousies was left out) what I have writtē on the 8.9.10.11.14.16.17. and 20. chapters thereof. Read my Lord of Plessie his learned workes of the mysterie of iniqui­tie. and, who lift to take the paines, for more clear & ample accommodation of all, let them read the Magdeburgick storie and the particular conditions of the church set downe ther­in at length everie centenarie of yeares from our Lord his incarnation till our dayes. By these, any soundly set & sen­sible soule shall finde sufficient resolution of al the course of Antichrist by degrees arysing to the toppe of sacrilegious impietie: and how God still preserved a church, in the mids of his most tyrannical vsurpation: as for such persons as de­mand vs with no other hearts then the Pharisies did Christ, or, these, who hypocriticallie asking counsell at the Pro­phet, and, then, not finding it agreable to the biais of their foreplotted and corrupt conceptions, did therefore, impu­dently tell him, Ier. 43.2. & 44.16. thou speakest falstie, the Lord our God hath not sent thee and, the word which thou hes spoken to vs in the name of the Lord we will not heare it of thee, but we will doe whatsoever thing goeth out of our owne mouth, &c. These we leave to the mist of their owne imaginations, and iust induration of their owne deceit­ful and deceaved myndes: whereto they are given vp iustly of the Lord, 1 Cor. 14.37 Math. 11.19 Revel. 22.1 [...] because they delight in lies. If any man be spi­rituall, let him acknowledge, that what I writ, is the truth of God: if any man will be ignorant, let him bee ignorant. Wisdome will bee alwayes iustified of her owne children: and such as are filthie, let them be filthie still.

Augustin de civitate Dei, lib. 2, cap. 1.

Si rationi perspicua veritatis infirmus humana cōsuetudinis sensus non anderet obsistere, sed doctrinae salubri languorem suum tanquam me­dicinae [Page 24] subderet, donec divine adiuterie fide pietatis impetiāte sanaretur: non multo sermone opus esset ad cōvincendum quemlibet vanae opinionis errorem, his qui recte sentiunt, & sensa verbis sufficientibus explicant. Nunc vero quoniam ille est maior & tetrior insipientū morbus animorum, quo irrationabiles motus suos, etiam post rationē pléne redditam (quanta homini ab homine debetur) five nimia casitate, qua nec aperta cernūtur, sive obstinatissima pervicaciae, qua & ca quae cer [...]untur non feruntur, tanquam ipsam rationem veritatem (que) defendunt: fit necessitas copiosius dicendi, plerumque res claras, velut [...]as non spectantibus intuendas, sed quodammodo tangendas palpantibus & conniventibus offeramus. Et ta­men quis disceptandi finis erit & loquendi modus; Si respondendum esse respondentibus semper existime [...]us? nam qui vel non possunt intelligere quod dicitur, vel tam duri sunt adversitate mentis, vt, etiamsi intellexe­tint, non obediant respondent vt scriptum est & loquuntur iniquitatem atque infatigabiliter vani sunt. Quorum dicta contraria si toties velimus refellere quoties obnixa fronte statuerint non curare quid dicant dum quo cunque modo nostris disputationibus contradicant, quam sit infinitum & erumnosum & infructuosum vides. Quamobrem nec te ipsum, mi fili, Marcelline, nec alios quibus his labor noster in Christi charitate vtiliter & liberaliter servit, tales meorum scriptorum velim Iudices qui responsi­onem semper desiderent, cum his quae leguntur audierint aliquid contra­dici: ne fiant similes [...]arum midurcularum quas commemorat Apostolus, semper discentes & ad veritatis scientiam nunquam pervenientes.

That is.

IF the weake sense of humane custome were not bolde to withstand the reason of cleare truth, but did subdue her maladie to healthsome doctrine, as to a medicine, till (holy faith obtayning) by divine aide it were healed: then to such men as, both themselves mean soundlie, and, with dexteri­tie doe expresse their meanings in sufficient words, it shuld not be needfull to spend much speach, for convincing what soever erronius and vaine opinion. But, now, because that disease of foolishe mindes is so much the greater and more detestable, as, even after a reason is fully given them (so far as man to man is holden) yet they maintaine no lesse their vnreasonable motions, then if they were selfe reason [Page 25] and truth: whither that this falleth through too great blind­nes whereby they are not able to perceave most plaine things; or through most obstinat perversnes, whereby they cannot abyde even these things which they perceave clear­ly: therefore, oftymes, men are, of necessitie, forced to speak the more amply even of plaine matters: as offering them not so much to the view of men who see, but even, in a sort, to bee handled by groapers and winkers. And yet, what either end shall their be of disputation, or what measure of writing; if we think that replyes must bee alwayes, made to them who answere vs? for, who either are not able to vn­derstand what is said, or, are so refractarie through froward­nes of minde; as even, though they vnderstand, yet they will not yeeld: they answere still (as it is written) and pra­tle iniquitie, and they are vaine without wearying. Whose gaine-sayings if we would refell als often as, with wilfull headines, they determine not to care what they say, so they, any way gainsay our disputations: thou seest how endles, toilsome, and vnfruitfull a busines it were. Wherefore, my sonne Marcellin, I neither would have thee nor any others (for whose vse and vtilitie these my paines are, in the love of Christ, and freely taken) to be such iudges of my wri­tings as doe, alwayes require a reply to be made, whensoe­ver they heare that ought is said against these things which they reade: Least they become like to these woemen of whom the Apostle maketh mention, which are ever learning, but never attaine to the knowledge of the Truth.

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